Well. My fear is that he is JT Barrett. I mean. I know the anyone but Carr sentiment is stronger than its ever been here right now.
But if we are gonna do it, let’s do it right.
Remember Nick Foles getting a huge contract. Look at him being benched for Minshew. A 6th rounder taking a 80 million dollar QB's job before he plays 5 games
One in the hand fellas. Don't quit your job until you have a new one. Gruden is not going to purposely downgrade Carr. Right now you have a solid game manager who can play well for you. He will keep that in his pocket until its able to be upgraded. Why gamble on being 2-14 again year one in Vegas. Not going to happen unless Carr shits the bed these final weeks.
Gruden is going to fall for some 5th round pick ass QB to develop. Carr will play mediocre in Vegas and we will revisit this next year with a better roster. Sucks but that is what it is barring a trade for Tua IMO.
We’re already sold out next year.The Raiders aren't going to Vegas and put some journeymen scrub like Bridgewater or Borkles back there... and I'm not confident in our ability to develop a draft pick quickly...
I'd watch what Carolina does with Cam Newton personally... he'd be the one vet that would put asses in the seats...
We’re at unstoppable force meets immoveable object right now in terms of fan desire and obvious moves Gruden would realistically make.
You think Peterman or Jordan Love can get this team more than 1 or 2 wins?
Revisiting this in Vegas is the worst idea in this thread @BigTron
First step in fixing the problem is admitting there is one...
Fellas, we are at a cross roads.
Not a gloat post, not picking a fight here. I think this could be a place to discuss our options at this point?
What would your plan be right now. @NIPS always asked what the plan would be if we moved on last year. @DonkeyKilla didnt want to make a change for the sake of a change. I get it. @gst8 wanted to give him one more chance. Some guys were done 3 years ago.
So we are here again.
Do you keep Carr and draft a guy in the mid rounds?
Do you trade him and remove the bandaid right off the hop?
Do you sign a veteran stop gap and use a first rounder to develop behind him?
Personally I don't think you can truly embrace a change with Derek in the building. It would be like keeping Mariota in Tennessee when he's lost the team, the coaches and the fans. You gotta pull the plug and have a clean break.
So whats your plan?
Right now for ME: I evaluate the QB's and see what could be there in the middle of round one. Maybe I start exploring the idea of trading UP for a guy. It wasnt long ago that Philly and the Rams orchestrated those massive trade ups into picks 1/2 for Goff/Wents (Right or wrong both those teams made a Super Bowl in the last two years).
I 100 percent draft a guy this year though. Even if it is round 3 or a trade up into round 2. You have to have a young guy in here with some fire and who doesnt have the stink of 100 losses on him.
Most of these guys (drafted late) that are playing a lot of games are coming back down to earth though. Don’t forget Minshew was already benched.
The Tom Brady story is just so rare. Typically it’s gonna be a guy a team takes in the 1st or 2nd, with a few outliers sprinkled in.
Gruden has to know Carr is his main problem.Revisiting this in Vegas is the worst idea in this thread @BigTron
First step in fixing the problem is admitting there is one...
I go on and trade Carr while he's still got some value...I'd really consider hard about going after Winston if he's let go in Tampa.. i know, I know.. but he might be perfect here.. dude can get out of a jam and fucker can run for yards and he can hit those 10-15 yard routes.. it's anything over that, that he struggles.. but we dont fuckin throw it that far anyways... If not, then draft one.. Go into Vegas with a new QB and lets hope it works out.. I fuckin really do hate to cross fingers and hope shit dont get worse but got damn it's all we got left-
Looking at the trade value chart....
It would probably cost us, at a minimum.
Both of our 1sts and either a 2 next year, or two of our 3rd rounders this year.
And that’s with leaving 500 ish points on the table (teams aren’t winning lately in trade downs).
It would be very pricey.
You will get no argument from me amigo.
I remember joking with people this summer that Tampa/Oakland/Tennessee should just swap out their "franchise QB busts" for a change of scenery.
Winston would be a decent fit with Gruden IMO.
With as insurmountable as just us turning it over one time feels this year, I’d have hard time watching Winston.
Id roll with Mariota over him in that respect. Plus the wheels.
Plus.
You know he beat KC in KC, in the playoffs not too long ago.
"Cooper will be the focal point of our offense"
OK Jon haha.