Fuck Jon Gruden

Me personally, I think there is a possibility the line we eventually trot out there will actually be better. And obviously cheaper. But if we start five guys who actually play 16-17 games, it will be enough.

I’m kind of excited to see what we can build on defense now that all that money is freed up. And I think Carr has gotten much better at navigating in the pocket, and also making plays outside of it. I mean he kinda had to with the way the OL played last year. And I think the inability to run for so many games late, that would have gone a long way at a playoff birth, was the last straw.

I imagine some faction of management have been wanting to move on from Jackson internally for a couple of years just as some here have. Same goes for Brown.

Hudson stings. But if we like who they pick and James plays well, it won’t sting as much once the games start.

Still would have been nice to keep him a Raider batik retirement but that’s the way it goes I guess.
 
Armyr8rfan said:
Me personally, I think there is a possibility the line we eventually trot out there will actually be better. And obviously cheaper. But if we start five guys who actually play 16-17 games, it will be enough.

I’m kind of excited to see what we can build on defense now that all that money is freed up. And I think Carr has gotten much better at navigating in the pocket, and also making plays outside of it. I mean he kinda had to with the way the OL played last year. And I think the inability to run for so many games late, that would have gone a long way at a playoff birth, was the last straw.

I imagine some faction of management have been wanting to move on from Jackson internally for a couple of years just as some here have. Same goes for Brown.

Hudson stings. But if we like who they pick and James plays well, it won’t sting as much once the games start.

Still would have been nice to keep him a Raider batik retirement but that’s the way it goes I guess.
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I am not upset about any of the transactions, well, Hudson does sting a bit, but I am willing to roll the dice on the idea that he might be declining.

For the longest time, plenty of fans have moaned about the cost of providing Carr with the #1 paid moat in the kingdom and how the defense went short-changed. We disassembled that expensive item which really didn't keep out invaders at all down the stretch to obtain defensive support and now there are moans about how we have no offensive line. We really didn't have a functional offensive line last season. It was patchwork central. Too many money for too little results.
 
Darkenblot said:
I am not upset about any of the transactions, well, Hudson does sting a bit, but I am willing to roll the dice on the idea that he might be declining.

For the longest time, plenty of fans have moaned about the cost of providing Carr with the #1 paid moat in the kingdom and how the defense went short-changed. We disassembled that expensive item which really didn't keep out invaders at all down the stretch to obtain defensive support and now there are moans about how we have no offensive line. We really didn't have a functional offensive line last season. It was patchwork central. Too many money for too little results.
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I think it’s more about who we spent that capital on, long list of guys and only one we can pencil in as a significant contributor.
 
Darkenblot said:
When your Vacation Bible School reference goes unnoticed. :(

We all know Simon Gruden is the rock. :killme:
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The only thing I remember from vacation bible school is the pretty little curly-haired girl who popped her knuckles by pulling her fingers. She could make all 10 pop. She was awesome.

Oh. And there were ping pong tables.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
I think it’s more about who we spent that capital on, long list of guys and only one we can pencil in as a significant contributor.
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Trent "Lebron James of tackles" Brown seems like a fuckin dumb idea now.

It kinda seemed like a risky deal back then too...

I'm assuming we are a month from drafting a first round RT and a year from signing Kolton Miller to a huge mega extension so this argument (whatever the fuck it is) seems silly to me as it is.
 
007 said:
Trent "Lebron James of tackles" Brown seems like a fuckin dumb idea now.

It kinda seemed like a risky deal back then too...

I'm assuming we are a month from drafting a first round RT and a year from signing Kolton Miller to a huge mega extension so this argument (whatever the fuck it is) seems silly to me as it is.
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Seemed like a dumb idea then as well. 18.5 million for a RT when the next highest paid RT was 12 or 13 million. Just dumb.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
I think it’s more about who we spent that capital on, long list of guys and only one we can pencil in as a significant contributor.
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Hmmm. I’m not buying the “long list of guys” argument. Every team has the same roster size (number of players under contract) and work within the same salary cap rules. If you have more vacancies, you have more spots to fill, and have to spend money on more players to fill the roster via free agency.

Since we were in the red prior to free agency, this offseason was always going to be about repurposing cap space and a more efficient use of resources than adding impact players. Thus, for me, the lost of Hudson hurt. If was an unexpected step backwards.

That said, I think we added 2 impact players (Yannick, Drake) and effectively replaced Agholor and upgraded from Jones (Brown, Snead). It was a win to get Incognito back cheap. The success of the offseason will depend on the draft and the few Richards we spent to add to Ferrell (closed end), Hankins (nose guard) and Hurst (3-tech) to rebuild the IDL:
  • Closed-end: Irving
  • Pass rushing NT: Jefferson
  • 3-Tech: Solomon
Sure hoping Yannick and Drake crush it. :confused:
 
Sleet said:
Hmmm. I’m not buying the “long list of guys” argument. Every team has the same roster size (number of players under contract) and work within the same salary cap rules. If you have more vacancies, you have more spots to fill, and have to spend money on more players to fill the roster via free agency.

Since we were in the red prior to free agency, this offseason was always going to be about repurposing cap space and a more efficient use of resources than adding impact players. Thus, for me, the lost of Hudson hurt. If was an unexpected step backwards.

That said, I think we added 2 impact players (Yannick, Drake) and effectively replaced Agholor and upgraded from Jones (Brown, Snead). It was a win to get Incognito back cheap. The success of the offseason will depend on the draft and the few Richards we spent to add to Ferrell (closed end), Hankins (nose guard) and Hurst (3-tech) to rebuild the IDL:
  • Closed-end: Irving
  • Pass rushing NT: Jefferson
  • 3-Tech: Solomon
Sure hoping Yannick and Drake crush it. :confused:
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we signed like 30 DTs and Yannick on D. Who do you think we can actually count on besides Yannick? The guy that got cut 1 year into a 2 year deal?
 
DonkeyKilla said:
we signed like 30 DTs and Yannick on D. Who do you think we can actually count on besides Yannick? The guy that got cut 1 year into a 2 year deal?
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I missed the D limitation. After Yannick, I like Irving and Jefferson. Can we count on Irving? Sure seems like we are. I do think we can count on Jefferson as a rotational piece, but he has limited upside. If not Irving, it will have to come from the trio of Crosby, Ferrell and Hurst as we wait to see the five or so pieces added from the draft to the D along with the vet CB I’m still expecting.
 
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