raiderfreak7
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Actually a little surprising I haven't seen one person mention Carr is now officially the Raiders all-time leading passer.
Because he probably is the all time leader in losses as well.Actually a little surprising I haven't seen one person mention Carr is now officially the Raiders all-time leading passer.
Wins all that matterActually a little surprising I haven't seen one person mention Carr is now officially the Raiders all-time leading passer.
let’s eliminate anyone over 35. I would take:Curious, if you were Raider GM, and the offers were somehow on the table, which current starting QBs would y'all trade for Carr even up, right now? Same Raider personnel, Gruden's still the coach, just a chance at a new starting signal caller.
Each QB is the human they actually are right now, at the age they are now, same injury history, etc. So if you trade him for Brady or Brees, you're trading him for whatever's left of their careers—not what's past.
Kyler Murray, 22
Lamar Jackson, 22
Sam Darnold, 22
Gardner Minshew, 23
Josh Allen, 23
Deshaun Watson, 24
Baker Mayfield , 24
Patrick Mahomes, 24
Mitchell Trubisky, 25
Jared Goff, 25
Jameis Winston, 25
Dak Prescott, 26
Jacoby Brissett, 27
Carson Wentz, 27
Jimmy Garoppolo, 28
Derek Carr, 28
Nick Foles, 29
Cam Newton, 30
Matthew Stafford, 31
Case Keenum, 31
Russell Wilson, 31
Andy Dalton, 32
Matt Ryan, 34
Joe Flacco, 34
Aaron Rodgers, 36
Ben Roethlisberger, 37
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 37
Philip Rivers, 38
Eli Manning, 38
Drew Brees , 40
Tom Brady, 42
Obviously Mahomes. Probably Rodgers, or Wilson. Maybe a bet on Watson or Mayfield. Or a flyer on Murray.
Who else would you commit to ride or die with for the next decade?
let’s eliminate anyone over 35. I would take:
Wilson
Jackson
Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Mayfield
allen
Goff
Stafford and Ryan are pretty much a wash.
didn’t mean to leave him offWentz added for me but good list overall.
(Rodgers/Roeth/Brees/Brady/Rivers/Wilson even for 3 years is a straight win IMO) Those guys are not even worth discussing.
David said the 2nd interception today will "blow my mind forever."
He's coming unglued.
He said his receiver "was tackled."
3:50 to 4:25
Watch the play.
6:27 to 6:37.
Receiver was not tackled.
Wat?
David is losing his marbles.
same effect as being tackled. They called PI on our guy running his route. I don’t get it.
let’s eliminate anyone over 35. I would take:
Wilson
Jackson
Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Mayfield
allen
Goff
Stafford and Ryan are pretty much a wash.
Remember, we're talking about substituting someone in this offense with these teammates. Jackson or Allen are talented, but in this Gruden offense? Wilson is good enough to run whatever. Watson getting there too. Not sure about Mayfield yet.Wentz added for me but good list overall.
Nice point about being able to cheer for Carr and this incarnation of the team. Sure, they're not what we wish they were, but they're working and improving.Its a well thought out post @East Bay Grease and I'm not trying to argue or pick a fight. I've got Carr slotted in the 16 range as an NFL QB. Week one he looked closer to top 10 and week 2 he looked closer to 20.
I don't see the current guy heading to Arrowhead or Foxboro in December and leading us to victory. Thats all that matters to me.
Wins and losses.
I can cheer for the guy we've seen this year so far though. I havent been derogatory or trolling at all. He's scrambling, diving, using his legs a bit, throwing some nice balls. I can enjoy a season cheering for this current team.
Nice point about being able to cheer for Carr and this incarnation of the team. Sure, they're not what we wish they were, but they're working and improving.
I'd agree that this team won't be winning playoff games in Arrowhead or Foxboro—I just think the odds that another QB (other than one of the 4-5 elite QBs) could win those games with this roster are not great.
We need a better team to win those games. QB is the most important position in football, no doubt. It would be great to have a better QB. But I think we're more likely to develop a team that can win with Carr's imperfections, than to get a QB so good that he would be able to take this roster to Arrowhead and Foxboro and win with it.
I'm not singing Carr's praises, so much as pushing against the notion that replacing him is the key to this team becoming a winner again.
Carr didn't lose this game. But you know that....
Carry on