The QUARTERBACK Thread

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Actually a little surprising I haven't seen one person mention Carr is now officially the Raiders all-time leading passer.
 
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Curious, if you were Raider GM, and the offers were somehow on the table, which current starting QBs would y'all trade for Carr even up, right now? Same Raider personnel, Gruden's still the coach, just a chance at a new starting signal caller.

Each QB is the human they actually are right now, at the age they are now, same injury history, etc. So if you trade him for Brady or Brees, you're trading him for whatever's left of their careers—not what's past.

Kyler Murray, 22
Lamar Jackson, 22
Sam Darnold, 22
Gardner Minshew, 23
Josh Allen, 23
Deshaun Watson, 24
Baker Mayfield , 24
Patrick Mahomes, 24
Mitchell Trubisky, 25
Jared Goff, 25
Jameis Winston, 25
Dak Prescott, 26
Jacoby Brissett, 27
Carson Wentz, 27
Jimmy Garoppolo, 28
Derek Carr, 28
Nick Foles, 29
Cam Newton, 30
Matthew Stafford, 31
Case Keenum, 31
Russell Wilson, 31
Andy Dalton, 32
Matt Ryan, 34
Joe Flacco, 34
Aaron Rodgers, 36
Ben Roethlisberger, 37
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 37
Philip Rivers, 38
Eli Manning, 38
Drew Brees , 40
Tom Brady, 42

Obviously Mahomes. Probably Rodgers, or Wilson. Maybe a bet on Watson or Mayfield. Or a flyer on Murray.

Who else would you commit to ride or die with for the next decade?
 
Curious, if you were Raider GM, and the offers were somehow on the table, which current starting QBs would y'all trade for Carr even up, right now? Same Raider personnel, Gruden's still the coach, just a chance at a new starting signal caller.

Each QB is the human they actually are right now, at the age they are now, same injury history, etc. So if you trade him for Brady or Brees, you're trading him for whatever's left of their careers—not what's past.

Kyler Murray, 22
Lamar Jackson, 22
Sam Darnold, 22
Gardner Minshew, 23
Josh Allen, 23
Deshaun Watson, 24
Baker Mayfield , 24
Patrick Mahomes, 24
Mitchell Trubisky, 25
Jared Goff, 25
Jameis Winston, 25
Dak Prescott, 26
Jacoby Brissett, 27
Carson Wentz, 27
Jimmy Garoppolo, 28
Derek Carr, 28
Nick Foles, 29
Cam Newton, 30
Matthew Stafford, 31
Case Keenum, 31
Russell Wilson, 31
Andy Dalton, 32
Matt Ryan, 34
Joe Flacco, 34
Aaron Rodgers, 36
Ben Roethlisberger, 37
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 37
Philip Rivers, 38
Eli Manning, 38
Drew Brees , 40
Tom Brady, 42

Obviously Mahomes. Probably Rodgers, or Wilson. Maybe a bet on Watson or Mayfield. Or a flyer on Murray.

Who else would you commit to ride or die with for the next decade?
let’s eliminate anyone over 35. I would take:
Wilson
Jackson
Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Mayfield
allen
Goff

Stafford and Ryan are pretty much a wash.
 
let’s eliminate anyone over 35. I would take:
Wilson
Jackson
Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Mayfield
allen
Goff

Stafford and Ryan are pretty much a wash.

Wentz added for me but good list overall.

(Rodgers/Roeth/Brees/Brady/Rivers/Wilson even for 3 years is a straight win IMO) Those guys are not even worth discussing.
 
Wentz added for me but good list overall.

(Rodgers/Roeth/Brees/Brady/Rivers/Wilson even for 3 years is a straight win IMO) Those guys are not even worth discussing.
didn’t mean to leave him off
 
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David said the 2nd interception today will "blow my mind forever."

He's coming unglued.

He said his receiver "was tackled."

3:50 to 4:25






Watch the play.
6:27 to 6:37.





Receiver was not tackled.

Wat?


David is losing his marbles.
 
David said the 2nd interception today will "blow my mind forever."

He's coming unglued.

He said his receiver "was tackled."

3:50 to 4:25






Watch the play.
6:27 to 6:37.





Receiver was not tackled.

Wat?


David is losing his marbles.


I don’t know about tackled but he ran right into the DB.
 
let’s eliminate anyone over 35. I would take:
Wilson
Jackson
Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Mayfield
allen
Goff

Stafford and Ryan are pretty much a wash.
Wentz added for me but good list overall.
Remember, we're talking about substituting someone in this offense with these teammates. Jackson or Allen are talented, but in this Gruden offense? Wilson is good enough to run whatever. Watson getting there too. Not sure about Mayfield yet.

Goff
and Wentz, sure, they run something similar. But would they run it much better? Seem at about Carr's level, playing on teams with better rosters.

Even at 36, I'd go for Rodgers. He makes a team much better than it otherwise would be.

The rest are too old, or a wash (or worse).

Sam Darnold, 22
Gardner Minshew, 23
Mitchell Trubisky, 25
Jameis Winston, 25
Dak Prescott, 26
Jacoby Brissett, 27
Jimmy Garoppolo, 28
Nick Foles, 29
Kirk Cousins, 30
Cam Newton, 30
Matthew Stafford, 31
Case Keenum, 31
Andy Dalton, 32
Matt Ryan, 34
Joe Flacco, 34
Ben Roethlisberger, 37
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 37
Philip Rivers, 38
Eli Manning, 38
Drew Brees , 40
Tom Brady, 42

Point being, if you find a Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Rothliesberger, you ride them till they get too old. Other than them, sure are a lot of not-consistently-good QBs starting in this league. The fact that Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles are perennial starters and yet are guys we wouldn't trade Carr for says a lot. Almost all of them have been to Super Bowls and/or multiple pro bowls.

For sure, Carr isn't a Hall-of-Famer. But it seems silly to think he has to be replaced before we can have success. Worse QBs than Carr have done plenty well.
 
Its a well thought out post @East Bay Grease and I'm not trying to argue or pick a fight. I've got Carr slotted in the 16 range as an NFL QB. Week one he looked closer to top 10 and week 2 he looked closer to 20.

I don't see the current guy heading to Arrowhead or Foxboro in December and leading us to victory. Thats all that matters to me.

Wins and losses.

I can cheer for the guy we've seen this year so far though. I havent been derogatory or trolling at all. He's scrambling, diving, using his legs a bit, throwing some nice balls. I can enjoy a season cheering for this current team.
 
Its a well thought out post @East Bay Grease and I'm not trying to argue or pick a fight. I've got Carr slotted in the 16 range as an NFL QB. Week one he looked closer to top 10 and week 2 he looked closer to 20.

I don't see the current guy heading to Arrowhead or Foxboro in December and leading us to victory. Thats all that matters to me.

Wins and losses.

I can cheer for the guy we've seen this year so far though. I havent been derogatory or trolling at all. He's scrambling, diving, using his legs a bit, throwing some nice balls. I can enjoy a season cheering for this current team.
Nice point about being able to cheer for Carr and this incarnation of the team. Sure, they're not what we wish they were, but they're working and improving.

I'd agree that this team won't be winning playoff games in Arrowhead or Foxboro—I just think the odds that another QB (other than one of the 4-5 elite QBs) could win those games with this roster are not great.

We need a better team to win those games. QB is the most important position in football, no doubt. It would be great to have a better QB. But I think we're more likely to develop a team that can win with Carr's imperfections, than to get a QB so good that he would be able to take this roster to Arrowhead and Foxboro and win with it.

I'm not singing Carr's praises, so much as pushing against the notion that replacing him is the key to this team becoming a winner again.

:sneak:
 
Nice point about being able to cheer for Carr and this incarnation of the team. Sure, they're not what we wish they were, but they're working and improving.

I'd agree that this team won't be winning playoff games in Arrowhead or Foxboro—I just think the odds that another QB (other than one of the 4-5 elite QBs) could win those games with this roster are not great.

We need a better team to win those games. QB is the most important position in football, no doubt. It would be great to have a better QB. But I think we're more likely to develop a team that can win with Carr's imperfections, than to get a QB so good that he would be able to take this roster to Arrowhead and Foxboro and win with it.

I'm not singing Carr's praises, so much as pushing against the notion that replacing him is the key to this team becoming a winner again.

:sneak:

No I think this has been a fine back and forth for a change on this topic. I'm not ripping Carr you arent propping him up.

In the end though I've had this discussion 1000 times before. It becomes the 'treading water' argument IMO. We can keep a decent guy and win 5 games a year or we can strive to find our Mahomes and become contenders. KC could have kept Alex Smith. He was a solid mid tier QB battling for a fringe playoff spot every year.

I don't know if another Mahomes is out there but where I differ is I'm willing to draft one every year until I find him...
 
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