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gst8 said:
No you just fail again to hold up your end of the conversation. Shame on me at this point though.
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Well, then let's resume. Once I said there was no purpose to this, it would be your turn to tell me the purpose if you disagreed with my statement. Otherwise, I'll take you making a personal comment as an agreement that there was no useful purpose to doing this.
 
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kinz said:
Well, then let's resume. Once I said there was no purpose to this, it would be your turn to tell me the purpose if you disagreed with my statement. Otherwise, I'll take you making a personal comment as an agreement that there was no useful purpose to doing this.
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I don’t disagree with your statement though. I said like 4 posts ago that I thought it was a dick move. My point was about how it’s being covered in the media.
 
gst8 said:
I don’t disagree with your statement though. I said like 4 posts ago that I thought it was a dick move. My point was about how it’s being covered in the media.
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I think we will both agree that the media is 99% agenda driven crap. Real shame. That does not alter the fact that the world goes on and must be understood by people. And the current issue is one real dick move. One of those things that when the sides flip will get payback.
 
kinz said:
I think we will both agree that the media is 99% agenda driven crap. Real shame. That does not alter the fact that the world goes on and must be understood by people. And the current issue is one real dick move. One of those things that when the sides flip will get payback.
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Agreed I just think the coverage is egregiously bad on this one. Being honest about it wouldn’t change the moral implications one bit IMO. I actually think it’s driven by the universities that failed to foresee this as a possibility.
 
kinz said:
You are good at what you do. Sort of sucks when life is a downhill slide after 13 though. But you handle it well.
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you're so gracious.

look, if you brought something to the table I wouldn't bag on you , but you bring no thoughtfulness or nuance... just extreme doom to e-v-e-r-y little thing... it's boring and frankly not very original... your arrogance makes it even stinkier.

I think you may be depressed.
 
gst8 said:
Agreed I just think the coverage is egregiously bad on this one. Being honest about it wouldn’t change the moral implications one bit IMO. I actually think it’s driven by the universities that failed to foresee this as a possibility.
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Yah, that is your way of saying you think the blame doesn't lie with Trump.

Let's be real for a minute. There is a pandemic. We can't go about every day life, or large numbers will die or have altered lives. We can't shut down or people will starve and there will be chaos in the streets. We can make smart choices to do what we can in a distanced way, do what is necessary in the best way we can, and do what is optional when circumstances permit. This is the intelligent way to do things.

If all the bars go broke, honestly so what. It isn't some rare skill. We will manage to re-invent titty bars from collective memory in 3 years once this is passed. We need factories open, we need building to continue, we need education, government, utilities, banking, merchants, and so forth. The choice of this edict is against rationality of doing what is easy and likely best done now online in that fashion. It is a bad choice motivated solely by politics.
 
kinz said:
The rule was suspended in March because the pandemic forced classes to be closed. Classes, by nature, stick a larger number of people into very confined spaces for an extended period of time. Laws in most places make the types of classes previously held illegal. There is simply insufficient space and human resources to hold classes as before. The exemption remained in place until Monday with no updates despite universities continuously seeking guidance through the spring and summer. On Monday, universities were given 2 weeks to comply with the directive above.

Universities can be huge organizations with 50,000 students, hundreds of buildings, thousands of employees. Scheduling a football season or an airline schedule is childs play compared to scheduling a university class offering in normal times, and it is tenfold more difficult now. Many universities chose to operate in a fully online mode. This includes Harvard, MIT, Berkeley, Cal system. They decided that since 75% of instruction has to be done online anyway because of physical limitations due to space and distancing, it was better to do all online and to do it very well. It is similar to trying to field a basketball team and a football team simultaneously trying to do inline and in-person simultaneously. Now, in 2 weeks, they must redo a vast amount of things. They are right to sue.

Imagine changing MPG standards for vehicles and giving 3 months to comply.

And in the meantime, hospitals are filling across the south and west and the deaths are perking back up. Yes of course we need to inject 30 million college students packed closely together into this situation for absolutely no reason at all because we aren't afraid, just stupid.
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Maybe I am missing something. What do the universities have to do exactly? If classes are fully on line, international students' visa are no longer valid and the students have to leave. And i call BS on it being more difficult to schedule on line classes. Class times are the same. Students just attend differently.
 
Byron2112 said:
you're so gracious.

look, if you brought something to the table I wouldn't bag on you , but you bring no thoughtfulness or nuance... just extreme doom to e-v-e-r-y little thing... it's boring and frankly not very original... your arrogance makes it even stinkier.

I think you may be depressed.
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Dude, you've been smacked. Just keep your little red ass to yourself and stay out of the way when grown ups are talking from now on. It's all kool, you are still a special little guy.
 
kinz said:
Yah, that is your way of saying you think the blame doesn't lie with Trump.

Let's be real for a minute. There is a pandemic. We can't go about every day life, or large numbers will die or have altered lives. We can't shut down or people will starve and there will be chaos in the streets. We can make smart choices to do what we can in a distanced way, do what is necessary in the best way we can, and do what is optional when circumstances permit. This is the intelligent way to do things.

If all the bars go broke, honestly so what. It isn't some rare skill. We will manage to re-invent titty bars from collective memory in 3 years once this is passed. We need factories open, we need building to continue, we need education, government, utilities, banking, merchants, and so forth. The choice of this edict is against rationality of doing what is easy and likely best done now online in that fashion. It is a bad choice motivated solely by politics.
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Uh, ok... tell me more about what I’m saying I guess. Just for general clarification though I didn’t vote for Trump I don’t think I’ve ever voted for a candidate from either party tbh. Despite whatever picture you’re trying to paint here. Don’t let me interrupt your rant though.
 
Winston Smith said:
Maybe I am missing something. What do the universities have to do exactly? If classes are fully on line, international students' visa are no longer valid and the students have to leave. And i call BS on it being more difficult to schedule on line classes. Class times are the same. Students just attend differently.
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It isn't harder to schedule fully online. It is a lot harder to schedule a portion of classes to be partly in person, rotated in groups among students. Same number of rooms, each room fits 25% of the people it used to fit. Math isn't that hard.

As to the rest of your point, if a university goes fully online, then yes, international students have to leave. For some, ruing the lives of large numbers of highly talented people is of some concern. But I get that you are the real 'merica type. So in terms you get, when these large numbers of international students leave, then twenty times that number of actual decent american students will have their college disrupted because some of their classes will be cancelled.
 
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gst8 said:
Uh, ok... tell me more about what I’m saying I guess. Just for general clarification though I didn’t vote for Trump I don’t think I’ve ever voted for a candidate from either party tbh. Despite whatever picture you’re trying to paint here. Don’t let me interrupt your rant though.
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If you want to talk about the topic at hand, the administration's choice, then great. I don't see what media coverage of it matters. And as to the administration choice actually being the fault of others, that is bizarre

As far as I can tell, there is no disagreement between us that this is a purposeless, harmful choice of the administration.
 
kinz said:
It isn't harder to schedule fully online. It is a lot harder to schedule a portion of classes to be partly in person, rotated in groups among students. Same number of rooms, each room fits 25% of the people it used to fit. Math isn't that hard.

As to the rest of your point, if a university goes fully online, then yes, international students have to leave. For some, ruing the lives of large numbers of highly talented people is of some concern. But I get that you are the real 'merica type. So in terms you get, when these large numbers of international students leave, then twenty times that number of actual decent american students will have their college disrupted because some of their classes will be cancelled.
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I am not really an 'merica type. I think we are kind of mediocre and have never ever voted for any Republican candidate. Anyway, why would American students lives be disrupted? If everything is fully on line, the international students can do whatever they would do here, but do it virtually like they would have to do it here.
 
Winston Smith said:
I am not really an 'merica type. I think we are kind of mediocre and have never ever voted for any Republican candidate. Anyway, why would American students lives be disrupted? If everything is fully on line, the international students can do whatever they would do here, but do it virtually like they would have to do it here.
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International students teach about 10-20% of courses in a lot of places. If they are deported, they would have their lives ruined, and by law not be able to teach online in the US. This would be disruptive to american students that would no longer have teachers.
 
kinz said:
International students teach about 10-20% of courses in a lot of places. If they are deported, they would have their lives ruined, and by law not be able to teach online in the US. This would be disruptive to american students that would no longer have teachers.
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Do you have a link for the teaching thing?

I can’t find that information anywhere.
 
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