2021 Cap space by team.

Desert Rat said:
They will both be on the team next season. David's last year on his contract. Mark will make Derek the highest paid QB in the NFL again unless he stubs his toe and Marcus sees more playing time.
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I think Gruden will keep both too. I don’t think Carr is restructured this offseason. If we make the playoffs, I’d expect him to get extended but not be made the highest anything. He’s already got that payday and will do a more team friendly (but still expensive) deal. If we don’t make the playoffs, all bets are off (IMO).
 
Sleet said:
What are you talking about?

We restructured Littleton well after he first signed and after FA was finished when we needed cap space. Before he restructured, we were 13th in defensive spending. It was his restructuring that dropped us. Also, investment on D includes draft capital, which your posts ignores. It is you my friend who is doing the cherry picking in this regard.

All of this was settled and well documented a week or so ago by others. Apparently you don’t read or don’t care and just want to push a false narrative.
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So the link is wrong and the Raiders spent the 13th most on D or no?
 
Desert Rat said:
So the link is wrong and the Raiders spent the 13th most on D or no?
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Your point is wrong, period. My counter to your look at us now after we restructured Littleton does not change that fact. The work was done. Pull the posts.
 
kinz said:
Lord I've missed Sleet math. I think he is Rudi Guliani's love child.
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I personally refer to Norm Crosby as a distant uncle. But either way, the notion that Gruden has not invested in the D is just wrong. And not just a little bit wrong, but dead ass wrong.
Nobodyinparticular said:
Draft capital spent on players since Mack's departure:
Total: 6,576.8
Defense: 4,116.5 (63%)
Offense: 2,460.3 (37%)

Draft capital spend on players since Gruden's arrival:
Total: 8,486.8
Defense: 4,711.5 (55%)
Offense: 3,775.3 (45%)

Yr Pick Player Pos Value
2020 012 Henry Ruggs III WR 1200
2020 019 Damon Arnette CB 875
2020 080 Lynn Bowden Jr. WR 190
2020 081 Bryan Edwards WR 185
2020 100 Tanner Muse LB 100
2020 109 John Simpson OG 76
2020 139 Amik Robertson CB 36.5
2019 004 Clelin Ferrell DE 1800
2019 024 Josh Jacobs RB 740
2019 027 Johnathan Abram DB 680
2019 040 Trayvon Mullen CB 500
2019 106 Maxx Crosby DE 82
2019 129 Isaiah Johnson CB 43
2019 137 Foster Moreau TE 37.5
2019 149 Hunter Renfrow WR 31.8
2018 015 Kolton Miller OT 1050
2018 057 P.J. Hall DT 330
2018 065 Brandon Parker OT 265
2018 087 Arden Key DE 155
2018 110 Nick Nelson CB 74
2018 140 Maurice Hurst Jr. DT 36
2018 173 Johnny Townsend P 23.2

Contracts handed out this offseason:
$42m for a DB
$25m for a DE
#21m for a LB
$35m for a LB
$6m for a S

This team has invested in the defense everywhere except at DC.

Hopefully they get the DC hire right this offseason.
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Nobodyinparticular said:
What wasn't clear about my post regarding pre-Mack trade? I clearly noted the total capital spent on defense since Gruden returned (which is prior to the trade). I also split it out because in April of 2018, the Raiders had an All-Pro edge rusher. It wasn't until 4 months later that they got rid of Mack. Even considering the 2018 draft, the Raiders spent far more capital on defense than offense during the Gruden tenure.

If you include the 3rd and 5th traded away for AB and the 3rd traded away for Bryant, it's still in the positive for defense. Those picks still only make up a total of 450 total points in draft capital.

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There is nothing true to your statement about "spending most of our draft equity on offensive players." Not in the least.
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Sleet said:
Okay, it’s time to take this thread more seriously. How deep in shit are the Raiders under the cap?

Let’s assume the cap does not decrease to $175M, the floor agreed to at the beginning of the 2020 season. In fact, let’s assume the cap is $5M more than OverTheCap projects and lands at $195M given the recent optimism that the CV19 economic hit won’t be as bad as expected and the ongoing efforts to redo TV deals early.

I’ll start by looking at the 25 Raider FA and players behind them at those positions as it helps to identify holes that must be refilled by (a) resigning FA, (b) signing another team’s FA, and (c) drafting rookies. Then I’ll look at 10 potential roster moves, their backups and holes they would create before turning to the teams biggest needs, list of modest FA (re)signings and potential spending:

Step 1: Raider 2021 FA
  1. Hankins (Scott)
  2. Agholor (Ruggs)
  3. Morrow (Muse)
  4. Wilbur (White)
  5. Carlson (Eberle)
  6. Sieg (McCullough)
  7. McKinley (Valoaga)
  8. Beasley (Green)
  9. Collins (Hurst)
  10. Irving
  11. C. Smith (Key)
  12. Vickers (Nassib)
  13. Good (Magnuson)
  14. Young (Jones-Smith)
  15. Booker (Richard)
  16. Riddick
  17. Jones (Quinn)
  18. Witten (Moreau)
  19. Lawson (Nixon)
  20. Worley (Johnson)
  21. Harris (Heath)
  22. Leavitt (Gaulden)
  23. McMillan (Onwualu)
  24. Peterman (Sloter)
  25. Carrier (Bowers)
Step 2: Pot. Roster Moves (Backups) Savings (Dead $)
  1. Carr (Mariota) $19.625M ($2.5M)
  2. T. Brown (Parker) $14.0M
  3. Williams (Edwards) $11.6M
  4. Mariota (Carr) $10.1M
  5. Jackson (Seymour) $9.6M
  6. Joyner (Robertson) $8.7M ($2.5M)
  7. Incognito (Simpson) $6.35
  8. Nassib (Key) $3.75M ($5.75M)
  9. Richard (—) $3.5M
  10. Key (Nassib) $920K ($207K)
Step 3: Identifying Needs
  1. NT
  2. DT (x2)
  3. FS
  4. LEO
  5. OLB
  6. CB (Slot)
  7. RT
  8. WR
  9. RB (x2)
  10. OG
Step 4: Create Cap Space ($60.0M)
  1. Cuts ($41.55M): T. Brown, Williams, Joyner, Nassib, Richard
  2. Trade ($10.1M): Mariota
  3. Extensions/Restructures ($8.6M): Waller, Incognito, Littleton
Step 5: Modest In-house & FA options ($70M)
  1. NT: Hankins ($5M)
  2. DT (x2): Collins/Irving ($7.5M)
  3. FS: Johnson ($15M)
  4. LEO: McKinley ($8.5M)
  5. OLB: Beasley ($6.5M)
  6. CB (Slot): King ($6M)
  7. RT: Feile ($6M)
  8. WR: Agholor ($8.5M)
  9. RB (x2): Booker/Riddick ($3.5)
  10. OG: Good ($3.5)
Plan C @CrossBones

Conclusions:
  1. Mayock better draft well
  2. Would help if Mark gave out signing bonuses to defer cap hits (too bad he spent his money on women’s basketball)
  3. One big ticket FA (e.g., Johnson) puts us over the cap given all the other needs
  4. I’m not wedded to any FA signing; mostly using players to estimate spending
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TL;BIDR
 
Desert Rat said:
Raiders
4th for offensive spending and 22 defense.
Positional Spending | Over the Cap

The Raiders spend the fourth most dollars on offense.
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Guess what, it looks like it might be better than I recalled. On September 8, 2020, when we restructured Littleton’s contract 5 months after we signed him on April 6, 2020, we saved $8.072M against the 2020 cap.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/09/raiders-restructure-lb-cory-littletons-contract

That dropped our total cap spend on D from $84,433,305 (11th) to $76,371,305 (22nd) based on this chart: https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/

How much we spent on O for the 2020 season does not change how much we spent on D as of September 8, 2020. Nor does repeating the drop to #22 after we restructured Littleton’s contract change NobodyInPaeticular’s good work below, which refutes your claim that Gruden has not appropriately invested on D:
Nobodyinparticular said:
Draft capital spent on players since Mack's departure:
Total: 6,576.8
Defense: 4,116.5 (63%)
Offense: 2,460.3 (37%)

Draft capital spend on players since Gruden's arrival:
Total: 8,486.8
Defense: 4,711.5 (55%)
Offense: 3,775.3 (45%)

Yr Pick Player Pos Value
2020 012 Henry Ruggs III WR 1200
2020 019 Damon Arnette CB 875
2020 080 Lynn Bowden Jr. WR 190
2020 081 Bryan Edwards WR 185
2020 100 Tanner Muse LB 100
2020 109 John Simpson OG 76
2020 139 Amik Robertson CB 36.5
2019 004 Clelin Ferrell DE 1800
2019 024 Josh Jacobs RB 740
2019 027 Johnathan Abram DB 680
2019 040 Trayvon Mullen CB 500
2019 106 Maxx Crosby DE 82
2019 129 Isaiah Johnson CB 43
2019 137 Foster Moreau TE 37.5
2019 149 Hunter Renfrow WR 31.8
2018 015 Kolton Miller OT 1050
2018 057 P.J. Hall DT 330
2018 065 Brandon Parker OT 265
2018 087 Arden Key DE 155
2018 110 Nick Nelson CB 74
2018 140 Maurice Hurst Jr. DT 36
2018 173 Johnny Townsend P 23.2

Contracts handed out this offseason:
$42m for a DB
$25m for a DE
#21m for a LB
$35m for a LB
$6m for a S

This team has invested in the defense everywhere except at DC.

Hopefully they get the DC hire right this offseason.
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Nobodyinparticular said:
What wasn't clear about my post regarding pre-Mack trade? I clearly noted the total capital spent on defense since Gruden returned (which is prior to the trade). I also split it out because in April of 2018, the Raiders had an All-Pro edge rusher. It wasn't until 4 months later that they got rid of Mack. Even considering the 2018 draft, the Raiders spent far more capital on defense than offense during the Gruden tenure.

If you include the 3rd and 5th traded away for AB and the 3rd traded away for Bryant, it's still in the positive for defense. Those picks still only make up a total of 450 total points in draft capital.

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There is nothing true to your statement about "spending most of our draft equity on offensive players." Not in the least.
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Sleet said:
Guess what, it looks like it might be better than I recalled. On September 8, 2020, when we restructured Littleton’s contract 5 months after we signed him on April 6, 2020, we saved $8.072M against the 2020 cap.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/09/raiders-restructure-lb-cory-littletons-contract

That dropped our total cap spend on D from $84,433,305 (11th) to $76,371,305 (22nd) based on this chart: https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/

How much we spent on O for the 2020 season does not change how much we spent on D as of September 8, 2020. Nor does repeating the drop to #22 after we restructured Littleton’s contract change NobodyInPaeticular’s good work below, which refutes your claim that Gruden has not appropriately invested on D:
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I didn't make any claims, just posted what had been spent with out cherry picking.
 
Desert Rat said:
I didn't make any claims, just posted what had been spent with out cherry picking.
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#FakeNews

You made a poor point to criticize Gruden, then got defensive about it. Why? IDK, there is plenty to criticize Jon about in terms of his choices on the defensive side of the ball.
 
Sleet said:
#FakeNews

You made a poor point to criticize Gruden, then got defensive about it. Why? IDK, there is plenty to criticize Jon about in terms of his choices on the defensive side of the ball.
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I'm not at all defensive, just stating facts. Unlike you that wants to cherry pick and pretend like the Raiders spent more money on the defense then they actually did.
It's simple enough, 4th most on offense and 22nd most on defense.
 
Desert Rat said:
I'm not at all defensive, just stating facts. Unlike you that wants to cherry pick and pretend like the Raiders spent more money on the defense then they actually did.
It's simple enough, 4th most on offense and 22nd most on defense.
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The sky is blue too. Lol

You really want the board to believe you make statements with no point? Good to know. Glad we cleared that up.

Now answer this, how is supplying a fact of which you were not aware (that Littleton restructured his contract to reduce his cap hit by over $8M 5 months after he signed a FA deal) that refuted the point you were (not) trying to make “cherry picking” anything? Do you use labels instead of making points too? Guess so.

As to the second point you were (not) trying to make in the follow up post (that Gruden has invested too much on O relative to the D), I guess you now concede NobodyInParticular’s work refuting that argument you were (not) making too. Funny how that works.

:lmao:
 
CrossBones said:
Gruden sucks.

You’re in denial for some reason.
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You’re confused. Supporting people I like is easy. No clue why anyone would root for this chapter to end poorly, at least while the team is still ascending. No harm in waiting until the team declines, which could be next year. We’ll see. You get no bonus point for being “right” about Gruden. Lol
 
Sleet said:
The sky is blue too. Lol

You really want the board to believe you make statements with no point? Good to know. Glad we cleared that up.

Now answer this, how is supplying a fact of which you were not aware (that Littleton restructured his contract to reduce his cap hit by over $8M 5 months after he signed a FA deal) that refuted the point you were (not) trying to make “cherry picking” anything? Do you use labels instead of making points too? Guess so.

As to the second point you were (not) trying to make in the follow up post (that Gruden has invested too much on O relative to the D), I guess you now concede NobodyInParticular’s work refuting that argument you were (not) making too. Funny how that works.

:lmao:
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I'm just trying to keep you honest by stating facts.
 
Desert Rat said:
I'm just trying to keep you honest by stating facts.
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The fact I referenced is just as factual as the one you referenced. It had the advantage being tied to a point too.
 
Imagine if we had signed Clowney to a big deal. And maybe Suh. We’d still suck on D and wouldn’t even be able to blame it on a completely objective cap breakdown.

Maybe just stick to, “draft better players”. That actually might have some validity.

This is the dumbest argument I’ve seen gain this much traction on the forum.
 
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