Who should the raiders look to draft at QB?

Who should we get? (Explain how we get in comments if it needs trading up)

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phxraida15 said:
I didn’t cherry pick anything, those were just the two I watched of them lol. Everyone looks good on a highlight reel. I don’t have a narrative, I’m not biased against any of them. The ball looks good coming out of Penix’s hand tho.
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Maybe try squinting.

:coffee:
 
Darkenblot said:
Mark fired McDoofus and Henchman Z because Raiders legends were publicly calling them out and speaking of how embarrassing it was. If they didn't speak out, the season ends in a top five pick. Mark is a reactionary and he couldn't stand it when Brown and Woodson (deservedly) roasted the duo. That flipped the decision for Mark. He said "smarten up" to fans but changed his mind when legends complained.

Players don't sway Mark? You spend the last few years talking about how Carr had Mark's ear and how Al constantly maintained Mark was too close to the players. Now players don't have an impact? For gosh sakes, there were recent photos of Mark partying with the players in the locker room and at a club.

Khaki Jim not returning Mark's calls didn't give Bowlcut a trump card but he still could have hired another guy. But once Maxx issued his statement, the dice was cast. I do think if Carr and Maxx issued a similar demand after 2021, Bisaccia would have been hired full time. Khaki Jim was the only candidate out there that could have reverse UNOed Maxx. Mark likes being accepted too much by the players to say "You are the chattel. I am the owner. Shut up and play." Bisaccia didn't inspire the same fervor. It was easy for Mark to hire McDaniels and even easier to swallow once Adams was brought in.

I do agree that Mark places too much of a premium on a coach being a buddy. JDR leveraged that and his Raider fandom to good effect until Gruden became available. Gruden certainly played it up. As does AP. Which makes sense. Mark and the fan base loves it.

I am not a Telescope fan, but he comes with a reputation of steadiness that I think Mark wants in the GM slot. I could see if we skip QB at #13 and fall to 5-12 or something similar, Mark firing AP and letting Telescope stay while Mark chases another head coach pipe dream.
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Everyone involved says it happened because of that meeting and that McDaniels had no answers for the questions. I mean we were here openly saying he had to go, and then it happened. There was no groundswell of former players shitting on him, at least no more than usual.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
Everyone involved says it happened because of that meeting and that McDaniels had no answers for the questions. I mean we were here openly saying he had to go, and then it happened. There was no groundswell of former players shitting on him, at least no more than usual.
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Not asking @Raider Outlaw specifically, but why is this discussion happening in the QB thread?
 
Byron2112 said:
Was listening to Sirius the other day and they were saying Telly has fairly significantly greater hit rate in the first round than average..

Worth it!

Also had Polian on there talking about how teams value and use draft picks top to bottom rounds, was kinda interesting if not fairly obvious to nerds like us, I'll post a bit later.
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you guys will already understand all this by osmosis being here giving a shit about this stuff, but it's interesting hearing Bill Polian talking about the draft picks and their value and how teams think about this it.

So, the first and second round are the players that have all the "traits" teams want, obviously premium guys, they assume they understand what they're getting.

third round guys all have holes, meaning they're missing a trait or two

fourth through seventh round are all pretty much crapshoot, those mid round picks are valued largely as currency to trade up.. for instance from early second to late first and so forth.

now this is the real onion of it for Raiderfan.... Polian says those late rounders and the free agents in particular are most important for building the roster, since it's all bargain shopping... all these guys have a buncha holes as far as "traits" go, but if you have a program or certain style of play standardized, and your scouts understand what you're looking for in that program you can find guys that can be major contributors in your particular system and do very well with it.

He pointed out that if you don't have a system and the scouts aren't looking for particular fits in one it doesn't work as all these guys have significant flaws and it's a total crapshoot.


So no, we're not crazy... changing regimes every 3-4 years is in fact a disaster, and confirms why we're all better at this than the endless line of bums that have rolled through here.:hmph:
 
Jayl said:
Not asking @Raider Outlaw specifically, but why is this discussion happening in the QB thread?
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There was a comment about Telesco being the favored son now and that AP is the one on a short leash, but I think they're both in the same boat. The thinking is that Telesco might not have the same urgency because he wouldn't be fired along with AP if the first year or two is rough, so he might not have the same vision of what needs to happen now to make sure that doesn't happen.
 
By the way @Darkenblot, I'm saying Mark is a buffoon. He doesn't know what he's doing. I think he just likes to have them around. However, do you really think they're constantly going in on the team when they're with him getting the perks of being around an NFL owner? I think even most of us on this board who bitch about this team constantly might be preoccupied with other shit if we were with him and could tap into whatever perks he could get us. Like Tom Brady is his new bff. Do you really think he was constantly shitting on Josh McDaniels behind the scenes? I highly doubt it. From all accounts, he was one of the buffers between him and Belichik all those years. I just think you're complicating this too much. Mark's not that calculated and just seems to do everything on his gut feeling.
 
From The Athletic. I agree that the Getsy hiring is a "D" grade. AP has whiffed on the first of two most important decisions. He whiffed on Getsy (yet better hope it was Fields that was the problem in Chicago). He and Telescope better not whiff on the QB.

Seven teams coming into next week’s draft are looking for their quarterback of the future. I ranked them on how QB-friendly they are.

4. Las Vegas Raiders​

Pass blocking: B
Run game: C
Weapons: A-
Play-caller: D
Defense: A-

The Raiders have a strong group of pass catchers led by Davante Adams. Jakobi Meyers is an excellent second option and Tre Tucker is one of the fastest receivers in the league, flashing some big-play ability in his rookie season. Last year’s second-round pick Michael Mayer also has the potential to break out at tight end this season.

The offensive line is a work in progress but the Raiders have a good starting point with left tackle Kolton Miller, one of the most reliable tackles in the league. Left guard Dylan Parham should probably be playing center but he’s adequate, as are right guard Cody Whitehair and center Andre James. The big question will be at right tackle. After letting Jermaine Eluemunor walk in free agency, third-year tackle Thayer Munford Jr. is slated to start. Munford flashed some ability as the Raiders’ swing tackle but they could look for an upgrade either in the first or second round — this is a deep offensive line class.

The run game should take a hit with Josh Jacobs leaving in free agency. The Raiders seem to have a lot of faith in third-year back Zamir White, but he’ll have some big shoes to fill.

As mentioned, Getsy has been objectively bad as a play-caller but maybe he was just an odd fit with Fields. The hope in Las Vegas is his offense could be more productive with a quarterback who can work the quick game and play with a better sense of timing. Getsy has West Coast offense roots coming from the Mike McCarthy coaching tree.

The Raiders defense last season finished 12th in points allowed per drive and eighth in defensive DVOA. This offseason, they signed Christian Wilkins, one of the best defensive tackles in the league, to pair with Maxx Crosby.

Having a strong defense and one of the best receivers in the league is a luxury for a young quarterback but having a potential revolving door at play-caller is a big-time negative in the long haul. Michael Penix Jr. is an experienced quarterback with a big arm. He’d feel right at home throwing downfield to Adams and Meyers as he did to Rome Odunze and Ja’Lynn Polk at Washington. Penix and the Raiders feel like a natural fit but taking him at No. 13 is a reach. The best-case scenario for the Raiders would be trading back or acquiring another pick in the back end of the first round to draft Penix.
 
Langlier said:
Commanders angered the Daniels camp with their "invite them all" stunt.

Maybe it flips them back to Maye? NE already positioning to move?

It's not likely but the path to Daniels is there.
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I think there is supposed to be some history there with Daniels and Peters, the GM. I'll still be surprised if they take him.
 
Langlier said:
It's leaking enough into mainstream media (schefty talking about it on McAfees show) that it's likely a thing. Daniels all but telling WAS not to take him.
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Pull a Kobe. Do it.

Tell everyone you won't play for anyone but AP.

Do It Episode 3 GIF by Star Wars
 
Jayl said:
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I have these guys in a different order. And I think there are 6 franchise QBs and not 5.

I have Nix on his own in Tier 4 and Maye in Tier 3 with JJ and Penix, but I would chalk that up to a difference of taste more than anything. I can see why some (Simms included) absolutely love Nix and I don't have to squint to see a stud QB.

I need to keep watching to hear more specifics from Simms on each. I think my biggest disagreement is going to be on Maye being too low rather than Nix or anyone else being too high.
 
Nobodyinparticular said:
I have these guys in a different order. And I think there are 6 franchise QBs and not 5.

I have Nix on his own in Tier 4 and Maye in Tier 3 with JJ and Penix, but I would chalk that up to a difference of taste more than anything. I can see why some (Simms included) absolutely love Nix and I don't have to squint to see a stud QB.

I need to keep watching to hear more specifics from Simms on each. I think my biggest disagreement is going to be on Maye being too low rather than Nix or anyone else being too high.
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Caleb > Daniels > Maye > JJ/Penix > Rattler/Nix > Pratt/Travis
From the Rattler tier on - I'm not "counting" on them being my starter ever. Just seeing if I can develop them to one day possibly start. Think Tui's time here
 
Langlier said:
Commanders angered the Daniels camp with their "invite them all" stunt.

Maybe it flips them back to Maye? NE already positioning to move?

It's not likely but the path to Daniels is there.
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Florio suggested that the reason for that was it was the only day the owner Harris could be present, so they invited them all.

Dont know if it’s true or not, but seems plausible to me. And a very stupid reason if that’s the case.
 
Pratt and Rattler are high upside guys that might be worth later round swings.
To bad the NFL doesn't have a minor league farm system.
 
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