FUCK YOU DEREK CARRBAGE/Final Word on Derek Carr

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So even the one who developed the metric doesn't believe it. That's what I gather from this.
Hahaha.

That’s b/c you are biased and wrong. The creator of the metric is just honest about what the metric means. Unlike you, who is being dishonest to push an agenda.
 
First Cricket scouting breakdown is dropping today!

I don't think this is what you want to do.

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That post says it all, right there! Let me interpret for the board.

I don’t know what DYAR means. I’m ignorant. But I’ll act like it is a ranking of the overall best QBs in the NFL. From this false premise, I’ll declare it invalid b/c it ranks a QB I don’t subjectively like highly.

Don’t you see the problem? DYAR is just a measure. As compared to other metrics, this ranking emphasizes efficiency relatively more than other QB qualities, that other metrics incorporate into their stats.

It is useful not as a ranking of the best QB in the NFL. But to rebut subjective opinions, like yours, that don’t credit Carr for the things he does better than other NFL QBs.
So DYAR isn't a valid measure. I don't see the disagreement. I guess we reached a conclusion!
 
So DYAR isn't a valid measure. I don't see the disagreement. I guess we reached a conclusion!
Being dishonest and ignorant is not an effective way to go through life . . . or to dialogue.
 
If you divide the DYAR by the FO ranking and multiply that with the PFF breakdown and throw it into a spider graph you get this:

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If you divide the DYAR by the FO ranking and multiply that with the PFF breakdown and throw it into a spider graph you get this:
Still waiting for you to tabulate the record of teams with #29 or worst defenses in points per drive and turnovers against playoff teams. Shouldn’t be hard. Nobody already identified the teams for you. Put your money where your mouth is. Carr might really suck at this. Just prove something for once on this board.
 
Still waiting for you to tabulate the record of teams with #29 or worst defenses in points per drive and turnovers against playoff teams. Shouldn’t be hard. Nobody already identified the teams for you. Put your money where your mouth is. Carr might really suck at this. Just prove something for once on this board.

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I like how we used different words to describe the same thing: organize versus manipulates; interpret versus reports.

In the spectrum of subjectiveness and arbitrariness, FO’s DYAR formula registers to you, not me. Do you consider QB Rating arbitrary and subjective too? What good is raw data if not crunched?

And, to me, the crunching of data to organize and report useful information is the very point of collecting raw data. The raw data reported by BSPN has no or far less value (IMO).

But let’s put aside DYAR for a second. You do acknowledge that ALEX is not manipulating or interpreting anything, right? ALEX just organizes raw data around down and distance and reports the raw data.

FO’s failed completions stat does the same thing with one difference: instead of down and distance to a first, it used DYAR on 1st and 2nd down to identify a different measure on those downs. Third down is the same for both stats.

You suggest that it is “arbitrary” to draw a line on a descending list of values in FO’s DYAR database for plays on 1st and 2nd down short of 1st down yardage. But is it?

If we saw the list, it might be obvious where to draw the line. For example, there might be a big drop off after 4.5 yards based on historical success rates to obtain a 1st down, which FO has factored into its DYAR formula and list. Or, below 4.5 yards the DYAR drops below what history has shown will successfully pick up a first, and thus the play is counted as a win for the D.

I assume it is one of these two things. But perhaps not. Perhaps there is no meaningful difference between 4.5 and 4 yards on 1st down, and FO arbitrarily drew a line and made a subjective judgment call as you claim.

Do you see a difference? I do.

Ok we’re at least moving forward to acknowledging there’s a spectrum that we’re on here... meaning that you do realize there is a degree of subjectivity at play. Outside of that you’re just making a very simple point complicated. But, to answer your question, yes I consider QB rating subjective as I do any controlled interpretation of data. Completion percentage is objective - the numerator and denominator are constant for that point in time.

One you start manipulating that it becomes subjective because, even if the math is correct, you’re applying a value to to the result of something you essentially made up. Basically saying that A, B, and D equate efficiency but leaving out C because you don’t think it matters. That’s subjective and that what the bulk of those FO rating stats essentially are doing.

Note, I’m not saying there is no value to be found in any of it but to use it as a measure of objectivity is wrong IMO.
 
In terms of efficiency, yep. QBR ranked Dak #4.

Don’t be ignorant too RF. It’s not a good look.
All those stats are telling me is how flawed they are to use them as the Bible, like you do. Form some thoughts and opinions for yourself and quit treating FO/PFF like they're the gospel.

Apparently 'ignorance' is using your own rankings against you and disagreeing with them? Not a good look for you if you really think Dak was that good.
 
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First Cricket scouting breakdown is dropping today!

I don't think this is what you want to do.

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Of all the clips you have to find one of England's greatest players , an England captain, who plays for my county and is a knight of the realm ! Sir Alistair Cook . And against the Aussie convicts ! :spank:

How dare you sir .

Know your place in the British Empire :p
 
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