Draft Grades

David Terrell the NFL prospect was great.

I don't think this is the insult we think it is.
 
Nobodyinparticular said:
Zierlein also had Edwards as a 3rd/4th round pick. And that's exactly where Edwards went.

I don't think this is someone you would rank in the 3rd or 4th round (Terrell's year by year numbers)
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So which is it? Is Edwards a guy who will last 4 seasons and have 1 year over 415 yards receiving? Or is he a guy who is worth a 3rd or 4th round pick?
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Agreed. Zerlein’s 3rd/4th ranking and Terrell comp is particular disingenuous b/c most other draftnicks downgraded Edwards due to his injury, which kept him out of the combine. So, what Zerlein is really saying is that Edwards had 2nd/3rd value even those he is Terrell?
 
Fuck you Red!

FO just took a view of the last decade in terms of draft capital vs draft return. Here are some notable results for the Raiders:
  • 5-year average: #30 (79%)
  • 10-year average: #23 (94%)
  • Best year (‘14) rank: #13/320 (171%)
  • Worst 3-year stretch (‘15-‘17): #6/256 (64%)
  • Gruden’s rank (‘18-‘19): #20 (96%)
So sad that Red had a Top 5% draft in ‘14, then followed it up with a Bottom 2% 3-year run as GM. In terms to total return the last 10 years:
  • Mayock ‘19: #5 (Top 10%)
  • Gruden ‘18-‘19: #8
  • 5-year average: #19
  • 10-year average: #19
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
 
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Turo said:
Copy pasta from the other thread:


Ruggs: B+ , more I read/see, the more I like this pick.

Arnette: D+, up from F. Do not like this pick, mostly due to who and what we passed up on, opportunities to trade down. Hope I am wrong but Mike "picking for need is a mistake" Mayock did exactly that.

Bowden: B- , not sure how he fits in what we're doing. Not particularly sudden, fast, big.. who is this guy? B level grade because I trust our staff to dial up gadget plays for him.

Edwards, B- , if injuries clear up and he sees the field might just beat out all other players for 2nd WR slot. Risk/reward, I'll take it.

Muse: B-, Jon Exotic gets another tiger. Crazy fast for a LB, probably another one taken a bit too high. Special teams and TE covering specialist?

Simpson: A+ looooooove this pick (my lil Al in 3rd!). Big ass guard. #beaf

Robertson: B+ , Scrappy ass dude, skills, just smurfy or would have been a much higher round dude.


Overall: B and may wind up being higher if I get less salty about our first round decision making. Saw someone call Gruden "Jon Exotic" and it made me laugh. So, that's his name now
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Thought it would be interesting now that our final 53 is formed for the most part to revisit this.

Ruggs, A .. love this kids work ethic, has shown off some really nice ball skills, he is way more than I thought. Very happy he is on our squad.

Arnette, B+ .. I am less salty about this now than I was, all reports indicate he is doing awesome. Still would have preferred LB

Bowden, D (only because they immediately cut bait and recovered SOME value for the guy) .. not sure why I even called that a B- at the time of the draft given that I had no idea what the hell he was going to do for us. Guess I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Edwards, B- .. still feel the same about this kid. If he contributes significantly then I'll be thrilled.

Muse, D .. not a total flame out but clearly isn't going to contribute on ST or learn on the job if we're stuffing him into IR. Meh.

Simpson, A .. love me some BEAF. Happy he showed enough to make the squad, hoping he continues to grow into a starter.

Robertson, B+ .. love the reports, love the upside still of this pick. There's enough depth ahead of him where there won't be that much pressure to step in right away.

Overall.. C+ ?

If Ruggs, Arnette really shine, hard to be mad about the draft just on that basis alone.. gets this up into the B+/A- area. If we get meaningful contribution from the rest of the remaining guys this pushes us up into that A+ 2019 range.
 
Turo said:
Thought it would be interesting now that our final 53 is formed for the most part to revisit this.

Ruggs, A .. love this kids work ethic, has shown off some really nice ball skills, he is way more than I thought. Very happy he is on our squad.

Arnette, B+ .. I am less salty about this now than I was, all reports indicate he is doing awesome. Still would have preferred LB

Bowden, D (only because they immediately cut bait and recovered SOME value for the guy) .. not sure why I even called that a B- at the time of the draft given that I had no idea what the hell he was going to do for us. Guess I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Edwards, B- .. still feel the same about this kid. If he contributes significantly then I'll be thrilled.

Muse, D .. not a total flame out but clearly isn't going to contribute on ST or learn on the job if we're stuffing him into IR. Meh.

Simpson, A .. love me some BEAF. Happy he showed enough to make the squad, hoping he continues to grow into a starter.

Robertson, B+ .. love the reports, love the upside still of this pick. There's enough depth ahead of him where there won't be that much pressure to step in right away.

Overall.. C+ ?

If Ruggs, Arnette really shine, hard to be mad about the draft just on that basis alone.. gets this up into the B+/A- area. If we get meaningful contribution from the rest of the remaining guys this pushes us up into that A+ 2019 range.
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Largely agree with your takes, except (a) I’m an Edwards fan, (b) I’m not a Simpson fan, and (c) I give Mayock’s draft a higher grade.
 
Turo said:
Thought it would be interesting now that our final 53 is formed for the most part to revisit this.

Ruggs, A .. love this kids work ethic, has shown off some really nice ball skills, he is way more than I thought. Very happy he is on our squad.

Arnette, B+ .. I am less salty about this now than I was, all reports indicate he is doing awesome. Still would have preferred LB

Bowden, D (only because they immediately cut bait and recovered SOME value for the guy) .. not sure why I even called that a B- at the time of the draft given that I had no idea what the hell he was going to do for us. Guess I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Edwards, B- .. still feel the same about this kid. If he contributes significantly then I'll be thrilled.

Muse, D .. not a total flame out but clearly isn't going to contribute on ST or learn on the job if we're stuffing him into IR. Meh.

Simpson, A .. love me some BEAF. Happy he showed enough to make the squad, hoping he continues to grow into a starter.

Robertson, B+ .. love the reports, love the upside still of this pick. There's enough depth ahead of him where there won't be that much pressure to step in right away.

Overall.. C+ ?

If Ruggs, Arnette really shine, hard to be mad about the draft just on that basis alone.. gets this up into the B+/A- area. If we get meaningful contribution from the rest of the remaining guys this pushes us up into that A+ 2019 range.
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Two A's, Three B's and Two D's...shouldn't that be closer to a B- than a C+?
 
Raidervinny said:
Two A's, Three B's and Two D's...shouldn't that be closer to a B- than a C+?
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I mean, it's close, but those last two at the end I think have a bit less weight for being mid/late picks.
 
Turo said:
Would be interesting to see who we were collectively banging the table to draft and how they're actually doing.
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That’s what the redrafts are for.
 
TheMadStork said:
The biggest problem with our drafts is that afterwards the only banging is our heads against the table.
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Don't forget about Bonnie Rotten. I'm sure there's plenty of banging happening there too.
 
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