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I'm a little confused about what scheme we run. I was under the assumption that we were a power run team last year and changed to more of a zone scheme this year. I was reading a Jerry Mac article yesterday that seemed to confirm that we may have switched schemes to accommodate Lynch. Someone on this board insinuated that we did a lot of zone stuff last year as well? Can anyone clarify what we are schematically? Other than a train wreck that is. It would seem to me that our line is built to blow guys off the ball, not hop, skip, and jump to try and fancy block someone.
 
Inside zone was our bread & butter last year. If I'm remembering the graphic correctly, it was our most frequently called run play as well as being the highest YPC producing run.

The power/gap stuff was 2nd in both categories, again, iirc.


Downey went crazy with the outside zone shit this year, though we seem to have dialed it down in recent weeks.
 
Inside zone was our bread & butter last year. If I'm remembering the graphic correctly, it was our most frequently called run play as well as being the highest YPC producing run.

The power/gap stuff was 2nd in both categories, again, iirc.


Downey went crazy with the outside zone shit this year, though we seem to have dialed it down in recent weeks.
Yep this is exactly it.
 
I'm a little confused about what scheme we run. I was under the assumption that we were a power run team last year and changed to more of a zone scheme this year. I was reading a Jerry Mac article yesterday that seemed to confirm that we may have switched schemes to accommodate Lynch. Someone on this board insinuated that we did a lot of zone stuff last year as well? Can anyone clarify what we are schematically? Other than a train wreck that is. It would seem to me that our line is built to blow guys off the ball, not hop, skip, and jump to try and fancy block someone.

We are a predominantly zone blocking team that uses some power man, then depending on defensive alignment use "Man" more or less. This video helped me see the differences, because I had no idea until a few months ago.

 
Our out side zone, stretch or whatever you want to call it has been terrible.
Maybe it has to do with not having the most athletic linemen? I don’t know.
 
Penn doubling at the point of attack, KO sliding off to the next level, with Hudson or Gabe pulling, and Smith kicking out. My favorite play.
 
Our out side zone, stretch or whatever you want to call it has been terrible.
Maybe it has to do with not having the most athletic linemen? I don’t know.
It's more to do with synchronicity. Outside zone is more difficult to master for the OL... But, that's not all on the O-Line, if you have RB's that are not reading the blocks effectively you are going to fail no matter what.

Richard and Washington are both at hitting obvious holes, and when they see a crease they can sneak through. However they are missing quite a few holes to run through. They are not patient enough, nor do either of them have the best vision. Give them daylight and they will make you miss, and they do run tough, just not great at reading the defense.

Lynch on the other hand, is good at reading the line, and more often than not is gaining yards even if there was not room to run. He's just not as quick as he used to be, and I think he's a rhythm runner that isn't often enough allowed to get into a rhythm.

Found this video that talks a bit about our run game.

 
It's more to do with synchronicity. Outside zone is more difficult to master for the OL... But, that's not all on the O-Line, if you have RB's that are not reading the blocks effectively you are going to fail no matter what.

Richard and Washington are both at hitting obvious holes, and when they see a crease they can sneak through. However they are missing quite a few holes to run through. They are not patient enough, nor do either of them have the best vision. Give them daylight and they will make you miss, and they do run tough, just not great at reading the defense.

Lynch on the other hand, is good at reading the line, and more often than not is gaining yards even if there was not room to run. He's just not as quick as he used to be, and I think he's a rhythm runner that isn't often enough allowed to get into a rhythm.

Found this video that talks a bit about our run game.


All on board for more Lynch and less Midgets.
 
story seems far fetched but can't deny we have not been the same team since that game

That's why stories like this get any traction. This offense was rolling into DC and has been very poor since.
 
Did Raiders make concessions to Lynch to incorporate more zone blocking? Hope not

"A year ago, the Raiders were a smashmouth, power-running team that rode Derek Carr's arm to late-game heroics. Now, under new offensive coordinator Todd Downing, Lynch is averaging just 3.8 yards per carry, though his two-TD performance at Miami last weekend provided a spark"
 
Did Raiders make concessions to Lynch to incorporate more zone blocking? Hope not

"A year ago, the Raiders were a smashmouth, power-running team that rode Derek Carr's arm to late-game heroics. Now, under new offensive coordinator Todd Downing, Lynch is averaging just 3.8 yards per carry, though his two-TD performance at Miami last weekend provided a spark"

It would be one thing if he was in his prime, but if they made wholesale changes for a guy who's most likely going to be with the team for one (or two, max) years, that is seriously stupid. The way things stand now, I'd rather have kept the old blocking scheme and Tay-Tay. (And Musgrave.)
 
Miko must suck dick like a champ cause he's not hot enough to put up with that kind of crazy...
 
Miko is freaking awesome!

Her source based on his Twitter seems very reliable.

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Florio sniffs out the bullshit in all this....

Donald Penn disputes phony claim of deliberately allowing Derek Carr injury
Posted by Mike Florio on November 7, 2017, 5:17 PM EST
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The Oakland Raiders have become the victims of fake news.

Miko Grimes, the wife of Buccaneers cornerback Brent Grimes, has made an inflammatory claim about the Raiders — a claim so ridiculous and patently false that we initially weren’t going to mention it.

Grimes contended during a radio appearance that the team’s offensive line deliberately allowed the Week Four injury to quarterback Derek Carr. She further explained that they were unhappy with the manner in which Carr handled the anthem controversy.

“[H]e was so upset about it when the whole offensive line was saying they were going to kneel, he was like, ‘No, no, no, no, you’re not kneeling. No. No.'” Grimes said. “‘This is America. You’re going to stand for the flag.’ And they got in a fight in the locker room. So when they came out to play, they basically had a plan. . . .”

Here’s the problem with that contention. The injury happened in Week Four, when the Raiders played the Broncos in Denver. The kneeling controversy hit full boil a week earlier, when the Raiders played Washington on a Sunday night.

Grimes actually referred to the injury as happening against Washington, which could be regarded as an innocent factual error. It’s also possible, however, the Grimes became aware of radio chatter (take a few minutes to listen to it) that the Raiders’ offensive line essentially tanked the game at Washington (Oakland lost 27-10) and that after Carr suffered the injury a week later she mashed the two events together, deliberately or inadvertently, and emerged with the misguided notion that the offensive line pulled a Remember The Titans/The Longest Yard maneuver on Carr in the heat of the moment, fueled by the craziness that descended on the league in the days after President Trump but the NFL on blast.

Guard Kelechi Osemele previously disputed the claims of tanking that emerged after the Week Three loss to Washington. Here’s what Osemele said on Instagram about the claim of tanking on September 25, six days before Carr’s injury: “if you guys really believe that…I don’t even know what to tell you. Carr is our brother he fully supported our decision to make this statement we discussed this as a TEAM and we all have each other’s back . . . we’re back focused on working now end of conversation.”

Tackle Donald Penn has now refuted the notion that the Raiders deliberately got Carr injured on October 1.

“It’s crazy how people will make up lies and tell a story so false and untrue 2 get them some attention I hope it was worth it all lies,” Penn said on Twitter.

Let’s apply some common sense to this one. If someone intentionally allowed Carr to suffer an injury that caused him to miss a game, some hint of dysfunction or disharmony would have emerged at some point in the five weeks since it happened. There are too many legitimate reporters swarming around the team and the league to not catch wind of something so explosive.

Also, the video of the injury contains nothing to suggest that anyone deliberately whiffed on a block. The play looked to be a delayed screen intended for tight end Jared Cook, but when Broncos safety Darian Stewart sniffed it out and followed Carr, he opted to tuck and run, and he quickly was twisted up and hit in the back.

Put simply, there was nothing to suggest that the Raiders’ offensive line was deliberately trying not to block for Carr. Which means that there’s nothing to the claim of an intent to allow his injury. Which means that we can go back to ignoring anything and everything Miko Grimes says.
 
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