O-Line Question?

Very few, if any these days, teams are exclusively man/power or zone. We've definitely incorporated more outside zone runs than previously though.
 
godeep811 said:
Did Raiders make concessions to Lynch to incorporate more zone blocking? Hope not

"A year ago, the Raiders were a smashmouth, power-running team that rode Derek Carr's arm to late-game heroics. Now, under new offensive coordinator Todd Downing, Lynch is averaging just 3.8 yards per carry, though his two-TD performance at Miami last weekend provided a spark"
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The breakdown of run plays by concept in the 2016 NFL season: https://t.co/TzWI7E9sTl

Yards before contact per attempt by run concept for NFL offensive lines in 2016:
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The breakdown of run plays by concept in the 2016 NFL season: https://t.co/TzWI7E9sTl

Yards before contact per attempt by run concept for NFL offensive lines in 2016:
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That was with North-South Murray running the rock, and Washington and Richard reading inside and preferring the one-cut style.

As noted, Lynch does better with more options to read, is a patient runner and is top-tier running behind his pads. The 7th round kid seems more an inside zone power/man guy like Murray was.
 
Birdwell said:
That was with North-South Murray running the rock, and Washington and Richard reading inside and preferring the one-cut style.

As noted, Lynch does better with more options to read, is a patient runner and is top-tier running behind his pads. The 7th round kid seems more an inside zone power/man guy like Murray was.
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I remember seeing a chart with how each RB did in each concept Richard, Washington and Murray, I just for the life of me don't remember where.
 
Our offensive line, much like Reggie's waistline are built for power play. Penn, KO, Hud, Gabe take what they want at the line of scrimmage....Reggie takes what he wants at the buffet line
 
boknowsvt said:
I'm a little confused about what scheme we run. I was under the assumption that we were a power run team last year and changed to more of a zone scheme this year. I was reading a Jerry Mac article yesterday that seemed to confirm that we may have switched schemes to accommodate Lynch. Someone on this board insinuated that we did a lot of zone stuff last year as well? Can anyone clarify what we are schematically? Other than a train wreck that is. It would seem to me that our line is built to blow guys off the ball, not hop, skip, and jump to try and fancy block someone.
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I don't think Jerry Mac has any idea what he's talking about on this one. Nothing has changed in our blocking scheme. This came up several weeks ago on the radio after the Broncos game and Lincoln Kennedy said our blocking scheme is identical to last year's. He said the biggest difference between this year and last year is the run game is so predictable that defenses bring the safety down into the box knowing it's a run..... and without a fullback we don't have anybody to block the 8th man. There are just too many unblocked guys because we're outnumbered at the point of attack. We don't run guys in motion, we don't even do very basic pre-snap movement.... all this just makes it too easy for defenses to get in the exact spot to blow up our runs....

On another note, that rumor about the locker room in-fighting before the Redskins game is actually accurate about one thing. There actually was quite a bit of in-fighting in the locker room over the stooooopid anthem protest. It's been "hinted" at multiple times by all our beat reporters (who were probably there to witness it, but have had to keep it on the under b/c of how serious it got).... and if you read both the article and the tweets closely, nobody refutes there was in-fighting before that game. From what I understand, it wasn't as simple as Carr v. the OLine.... it was actually Carr and Downing vs. the rest of the offense... Anyways the fall out wasn't that idiotic rumor about the OLine trying to injure Carr.... it was a lot of the offense mailing it in on Downing (ie he's clueless and only got the job b/c he's Carr's buddy, etc).... and Carr reacting by not trusting anybody..... Seems consistent with what's on tape when we saw the OLine give little to no effort in several games..... WRs like Cooper and Patterson not completing a lot of their routes beyond 5 yards in those games..... and Carr tossing check down after check down without giving the play a chance to develop.....

This sh/t's a mess. A couple former players still claim the locker room still isn't right.... Hard to tell from the Dolphins game if that Florida trip helped (I doubt it)..... but we'll find out for sure in Mexico City if our offense can't light up a suspect Patriot defense.
 
1-800-Raider said:
I don't think Jerry Mac has any idea what he's talking about on this one. Nothing has changed in our blocking scheme. This came up several weeks ago on the radio after the Broncos game and Lincoln Kennedy said our blocking scheme is identical to last year's. He said the biggest difference between this year and last year is the run game is so predictable that defenses bring the safety down into the box knowing it's a run..... and without a fullback we don't have anybody to block the 8th man. There are just too many unblocked guys because we're outnumbered at the point of attack. We don't run guys in motion, we don't even do very basic pre-snap movement.... all this just makes it too easy for defenses to get in the exact spot to blow up our runs....

On another note, that rumor about the locker room in-fighting before the Redskins game is actually accurate about one thing. There actually was quite a bit of in-fighting in the locker room over the stooooopid anthem protest. It's been "hinted" at multiple times by all our beat reporters (who were probably there to witness it, but have had to keep it on the under b/c of how serious it got).... and if you read both the article and the tweets closely, nobody refutes there was in-fighting before that game. From what I understand, it wasn't as simple as Carr v. the OLine.... it was actually Carr and Downing vs. the rest of the offense... Anyways the fall out wasn't that idiotic rumor about the OLine trying to injure Carr.... it was a lot of the offense mailing it in on Downing (ie he's clueless and only got the job b/c he's Carr's buddy, etc).... and Carr reacting by not trusting anybody..... Seems consistent with what's on tape when we saw the OLine give little to no effort in several games..... WRs like Cooper and Patterson not completing a lot of their routes beyond 5 yards in those games..... and Carr tossing check down after check down without giving the play a chance to develop.....

This sh/t's a mess. A couple former players still claim the locker room still isn't right.... Hard to tell from the Dolphins game if that Florida trip helped (I doubt it)..... but we'll find out for sure in Mexico City if our offense can't light up a suspect Patriot defense.
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Well, this blows. Nice way to fuck up a season.

BTW, Downing sucks, the other players are right about that.
 
1-800-Raider said:
I don't think Jerry Mac has any idea what he's talking about on this one. Nothing has changed in our blocking scheme. This came up several weeks ago on the radio after the Broncos game and Lincoln Kennedy said our blocking scheme is identical to last year's. He said the biggest difference between this year and last year is the run game is so predictable that defenses bring the safety down into the box knowing it's a run..... and without a fullback we don't have anybody to block the 8th man. There are just too many unblocked guys because we're outnumbered at the point of attack. We don't run guys in motion, we don't even do very basic pre-snap movement.... all this just makes it too easy for defenses to get in the exact spot to blow up our runs....

On another note, that rumor about the locker room in-fighting before the Redskins game is actually accurate about one thing. There actually was quite a bit of in-fighting in the locker room over the stooooopid anthem protest. It's been "hinted" at multiple times by all our beat reporters (who were probably there to witness it, but have had to keep it on the under b/c of how serious it got).... and if you read both the article and the tweets closely, nobody refutes there was in-fighting before that game. From what I understand, it wasn't as simple as Carr v. the OLine.... it was actually Carr and Downing vs. the rest of the offense... Anyways the fall out wasn't that idiotic rumor about the OLine trying to injure Carr.... it was a lot of the offense mailing it in on Downing (ie he's clueless and only got the job b/c he's Carr's buddy, etc).... and Carr reacting by not trusting anybody..... Seems consistent with what's on tape when we saw the OLine give little to no effort in several games..... WRs like Cooper and Patterson not completing a lot of their routes beyond 5 yards in those games..... and Carr tossing check down after check down without giving the play a chance to develop.....

This sh/t's a mess. A couple former players still claim the locker room still isn't right.... Hard to tell from the Dolphins game if that Florida trip helped (I doubt it)..... but we'll find out for sure in Mexico City if our offense can't light up a suspect Patriot defense.
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To a small degree I can see KO/Hudson/Jackson/Penn(maybe even Crabtree) mailing in because they've just gotten paid huge and there's nothing anyone can do. But the other players like the midgets and such haven't so they'll ruin their chance at a real pay day by doing this. Of course if the OLine on a team built like the Raiders is mailing it in there's nothing anyone else can do to be effective.
 
Our OL is just better in pass pro than it is in run blocking. While we like to think of the OL as maulers, they really aren't.
 
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1-800-Raider said:
I don't think Jerry Mac has any idea what he's talking about on this one. Nothing has changed in our blocking scheme. This came up several weeks ago on the radio after the Broncos game and Lincoln Kennedy said our blocking scheme is identical to last year's. He said the biggest difference between this year and last year is the run game is so predictable that defenses bring the safety down into the box knowing it's a run..... and without a fullback we don't have anybody to block the 8th man. There are just too many unblocked guys because we're outnumbered at the point of attack. We don't run guys in motion, we don't even do very basic pre-snap movement.... all this just makes it too easy for defenses to get in the exact spot to blow up our runs....

On another note, that rumor about the locker room in-fighting before the Redskins game is actually accurate about one thing. There actually was quite a bit of in-fighting in the locker room over the stooooopid anthem protest. It's been "hinted" at multiple times by all our beat reporters (who were probably there to witness it, but have had to keep it on the under b/c of how serious it got).... and if you read both the article and the tweets closely, nobody refutes there was in-fighting before that game. From what I understand, it wasn't as simple as Carr v. the OLine.... it was actually Carr and Downing vs. the rest of the offense... Anyways the fall out wasn't that idiotic rumor about the OLine trying to injure Carr.... it was a lot of the offense mailing it in on Downing (ie he's clueless and only got the job b/c he's Carr's buddy, etc).... and Carr reacting by not trusting anybody..... Seems consistent with what's on tape when we saw the OLine give little to no effort in several games..... WRs like Cooper and Patterson not completing a lot of their routes beyond 5 yards in those games..... and Carr tossing check down after check down without giving the play a chance to develop.....

This sh/t's a mess. A couple former players still claim the locker room still isn't right.... Hard to tell from the Dolphins game if that Florida trip helped (I doubt it)..... but we'll find out for sure in Mexico City if our offense can't light up a suspect Patriot defense.
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I feel like this team doesn't feel like a "team" anymore. That is the biggest difference between this year and last year in my eyes. There's definitely something funky going on, this narrative seems to jive with what I see on the field (right or wrong).
 
DonkeyKilla said:
I feel like this team doesn't feel like a "team" anymore. That is the biggest difference between this year and last year in my eyes. There's definitely something funky going on, this narrative seems to jive with what I see on the field (right or wrong).
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Text book definition of "lost the locker room".
 
DonkeyKilla said:
I feel like this team doesn't feel like a "team" anymore. That is the biggest difference between this year and last year in my eyes. There's definitely something funky going on, this narrative seems to jive with what I see on the field (right or wrong).
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gst8 said:
Text book definition of "lost the locker room".
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There are some key differences b/w this year's team and last years. First, we won basically every close game last year. At some point, there will be a regression to the mean and last year's team was probably closer to a 10-6 team than this years. The turnover ratio has flipped- we basically have none this year (fucking Reggie Nelson). The change in coordinators has led to confusion and lack of identity on offense. As with the defensive side, it's unclear what Downing wants out of the offense.

Factor in that despite having the worst LB crew in football last year, we actually might be worse this year, and the fact that a complete moron is running that side of the ball, and well, 4-5 seems about right. Two years of meh drafting has also caught up with the team.
 
PDX Raider said:
There are some key differences b/w this year's team and last years. First, we won basically every close game last year. At some point, there will be a regression to the mean and last year's team was probably closer to a 10-6 team than this years. The turnover ratio has flipped- we basically have none this year (fucking Reggie Nelson). The change in coordinators has led to confusion and lack of identity on offense. As with the defensive side, it's unclear what Downing wants out of the offense.

Factor in that despite having the worst LB crew in football last year, we actually might be worse this year, and the fact that a complete moron is running that side of the ball, and well, 4-5 seems about right. Two years of meh drafting has also caught up with the team.
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All true.
 
gst8 said:
Text book definition of "lost the locker room".
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If it's over the protest, it's BS.
If it's over Downing, well, Week 3 is a little premature for that complaint.
If it's over Norton, I'm in.
 
Sleet said:
If it's over the protest, it's BS.
If it's over Downing, well, Week 3 is a little premature for that complaint.
If it's over Norton, I'm in.
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There was nothing to protest with downing the first 2 weeks. He was being called a god, we ran over Tennessee and the jets, both have decent defenses. It wasn't until week 3 did people start pissing and moaning and rightfully so.
 
cruedi said:
There was nothing to protest with downing the first 2 weeks. He was being called a god, we ran over Tennessee and the jets, both have decent defenses. It wasn't until week 3 did people start pissing and moaning and rightfully so.
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I'll give you some food for thought.


1-2-TEN 2 10) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Cooper.
2-2-TEN 2 07) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Cooper (A.Jackson).
3-2-TEN 2 02) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete short middle to A.Cooper (B.Orakpo).
END QUARTER 1
4-2-TEN 2 (15:00) (Field Goal formation) G.Tavecchio 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Condo, Holder-M.King

"The Seattle Play"

1-2-NYJ 2 (4:58) D.Carr pass short left to M.Crabtree for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-NYJ 15 G.Tavecchio extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Condo, Holder-M.King.



1-4-WAS 4 (12:11) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to J.Cook (D.Everett).
2-4-WAS 4 (12:07) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to C.Patterson (B.Breeland).
3-4-WAS 4 (12:01) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Cooper.
4-4-WAS 4 (11:57) G.Tavecchio 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Condo, Holder- King
 
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