FUCK YOU DEREK CARRBAGE/Final Word on Derek Carr

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raiderfreak7 said:
The source you continually post having Car #6 by FO also has Dak #1. That is what you've posted dozens of times, linked below. You constantly post these numbers as if they're the end all be all and, like I said, it's similar to treating them as the Bible. You post them with very little or none of your own thoughts on who Carr is as a player. And like I've said, analysis of a player is not fully done through analytics and it's only one piece to the puzzle. You value that piece a lot more than others, I've said before that's cool and what you like to look at. I happen to disagree. I'd love to see you write out your personal rankings of QBs in the league like many others here have done.

You haven't pushed me anywhere and I enjoy having these discussions with you even though we disagree. You're being childish with your insults... don't be NIPS, you're better than that.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2019
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I’m being childish? You’re the one who likened me to a cult worshiper. :chuckle:

And it’s been more than a dozen references to FO, QBR, QB Rating, PFF and QB Index. I quote them all. Often. They are useful. FO is particularly useful b/c it has comprehensive and per drive stats.

You also know my opinion. Don’t act like you don’t. That’s not honest. What is it today? Something in the water that’s causing people to make up shit on this board?

Tell me, if I disagree with you about something, how should I go about addressing our disagreement? Where is the fun or substance in just saying, “Your wrong” or “Your wrong, why, because I said so!” I suppose I could go all Posty on you, but nobody wants that. Do a NIPS? Already covered.

I’ll stay in my lane. I enjoy rebutting opinions with published materials. It’s what I do for a living. You can throw a tantrum and try to belittled Kacsmar’s work, but, regardless, it forces you to deal with facts. Both Dak and Carr earned FO’s DYAR rating.

To me, it is less persuasive to disagree with someone who thinks Carr is a below average QB by responding with, no, he’s tier 3! That’s not a big difference. So I go with published data that ranks Carr in the top 10, b/c that is more difficult to reconcile with the opinion with which I disagree. Hope that makes sense.

For example, Dak had a good year throwing the football. Does that make him the “best” QB in the NFL? Only you said that, nobody else. What FO’s ranking does do is make clear that Dak is not a “below average” QB. The same rationale applies to Carr (IMO).

I’m spelling this out to avoid being slandered by you again. If you do enjoy having these discussions, be honest about them please.
 
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Desert Rat said:
Not jumping through any hoops for you. Go back and look at your own history and from here on out I will just call you on it every-time you do it.
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Works for me. I don’t know how good you are with pistols anyways.

I’m all for honesty in posting. Seems to be a theme today. Keep me honest too, by all means.
 
Sleet said:
I’m being childish? You’re the one who likened me to a cult worshiper. :chuckle:

And it’s been more than a dozen references, my good sir, to FO, QBR, QB Rating, PFF and QB Index. I quote them all. They are useful. FO is particularly useful b/c it has comprehensive and per drive stats.

You also know my opinion. Don’t act like you don’t. That’s not honest. What is it today? Something in the water that’s causing people to make you shit on this board?

Tell me, if I disagree with you about something, how should I go about addressing our disagreement? Where is the fun or substance in just saying, “Your wrong” or “Your wrong, why, because I said so!” I suppose I could go all Posty on you, but nobody wants that. Do a NIPS? Already covered.

I’ll stay in my lane. I enjoy rebutting opinions with published materials. It’s what I do for a living. You can throw a tantrum and try to belittled Kacsmar’s work, but, regardless, it forces you to deal with facts.

To me, it is less persuasive to disagree with someone who thinks Carr is a below average QB by responding with, no, he’s tier 3! That’s not a big difference. So I go with published data that ranks Carr in the top 10, b/c that is more difficult to reconcile with the opinion with which I disagree. Hope that makes sense.

For example, Dak had a good year throwing the football. Does that make him the “best” QB in the NFL? Only you said that, no body else. What it does do is make clear that Dak is not a “below average” QB. The same rationale applies to Carr (IMO).

I’m spelling this out to avoid being slandered by you again. If you do truly enjoy having these discussions, be honest about them please.
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I didn't call you a cult worshipper. I was saying you are using analytics as the Bible for your opinions and they're a flawed source. NFL coaches and GMs even call them flawed. I never meant it as an insult in the slightest, only that you use them as your lone source of opinion in many discussions and I disagree with that... there's a lot more to the overall picture of analysis of a player than that. I agree and have agreed that it's a piece to look at, just not the only piece ie the Bible/gospel. It was just a comparison... maybe not the best comparison but using it as an insult wasn't where I was going with that and re-reading it multiple times I have no clue why you're taking it the way you are.

The 'stupid' and 'ignorant' comments are childish. I'm not throwing any tantrums here, you're not 'pushing' me or whatever it was you were saying... I'm just here to have a discussion. I've put together my own rankings, analysis, game breakdowns, etc. etc. etc. in this thread about why I believe Carr is average and isn't the guy to lead us to contention... if that's not being 'honest' in my discussions to you then so be it.
 
Sleet said:
You seemed surprised by the news. I posted what I thought was common knowledge. The top paid back-up got a small pay raise.
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I cut and pasted a tweet, nothing more than that...

You and me gonna end up in front of Judge Judy if you keep it up
 
hawaiianboy said:


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Marcus Mariota's $7.5 million base salary with the #Raiders is higher than any backup quarterback base salary the past two seasons, per
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Sleet said:
Teddy got $7.25M last year.
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HB is right, Sleet. What he posted said base salary. Bridgewaters base salary last season was $1.250 million....nowhere near $7.25 million.

As with all of the Carr numbers you post, you are jumbling everything up to support your boy.

#fakenews
 
raiderfreak7 said:
I didn't call you a cult worshipper. I was saying you are using analytics as the Bible for your opinions and they're a flawed source. NFL coaches and GMs even call them flawed. I never meant it as an insult in the slightest, only that you use them as your lone source of opinion in many discussions and I disagree with that... there's a lot more to the overall picture of analysis of a player than that. I agree and have agreed that it's a piece to look at, just not the only piece ie the Bible/gospel. It was just a comparison... maybe not the best comparison but using it as an insult wasn't where I was going with that and re-reading it multiple times I have no clue why you're taking it the way you are.

The 'stupid' and 'ignorant' comments are childish. I'm not throwing any tantrums here, you're not 'pushing' me or whatever it was you were saying... I'm just here to have a discussion. I've put together my own rankings, analysis, game breakdowns, etc. etc. etc. in this thread about why I believe Carr is average and isn't the guy to lead us to contention... if that's not being 'honest' in my discussions to you then so be it.
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Wait a second. That’s a little revisionist.

The premise of your original post was twofold: First, that Kacsmar’s work was purporting to rank the “best” QBs in the NFL. Second, that I took FO’s work as gospel, citing it like the Bible, and not thinking for myself.

That is neither informed nor smart. You obviously didn’t know what Kacsmar’s DYAR stat is reporting. And why should Kacsmar have to apologize for his good work? Because fans make stupid comments about it?

Second, you know my tier 3 opinion and I just explained what I’m doing with the reference. You can’t get from FO’s #6 DYAR rating to a “below average” QB. That’s not reasonable (IMO). Too big of a leap.

Yet, you doubled down and said I use FO differently, like a Bible. Why are you purposefully mischaracterizing my posts? Even after you took me to task for supposedly doing that?
 
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Curly Howard said:
HB is right, Sleet. What he posted said base salary. Bridgewaters base salary last season was $1.250 million....nowhere near $7.25 million.

As with all of the Carr numbers you post, you are jumbling everything up to support your boy.

#fakenews
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WTF are you taking about? I just looked up what OTC reported (contest history), nothing else. Bet if like my other posts, they would be so “jumbled.”

https://overthecap.com/player/teddy-bridgewater/2971/
 
Sleet said:
Wait a second. That’s a little revisionist.

The premise of your original post was twofold: First, that Kacsmar’s work was purporting to rank the “best” QBs in the NFL. Second, that I took FO’s work as gospel, citing it like the Bible, and not thinking for myself.

That is neither informed nor smart. You obviously didn’t know what Kacsmar’s DYAR stat is reporting. And why should Kacsmar have to apologize for his good work? Because fans make stupid comments about it?

Second, I just explained what I’m going with the reference. You can’t get from FO’s #6 DYAR rating to a “below average” QB. That’s not reasonable (IMO). Too big of a leap.

Yet, you doubled down and said I use FO differently, like a Bible. Why are you doing purposefully mischaracterizing my post? Even after you took me to task for supposedly doing that?
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I've only posted the same data you have that shows Carr at #6... it also shows Dak at #1. That's the one you cite the most. I've also called Carr 'average' and 16th best in the NFL pretty consistently since the end of the season.
 
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Sleet said:
WTF are you taking about? I just looked up what OTC reported (contest history), nothing else. Bet if like my other posts, they would be so “jumbled.”

https://overthecap.com/player/teddy-bridgewater/2971/
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How can you look at that link...it says 2020 salaries. You said that Bridgewater got $7.25 million base salary in 2019.

At least look at the data instead of making shit up.
 
Curly Howard said:
How can you look at that link...it says 2020 salaries. You said that Bridgewater got $7.25 million base salary in 2019.

At least look at the data instead of making shit up.
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Hit the history link.
 
gst8 said:
What are you looking at?

I see what Sleet sees here.
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You are looking at the total cash paid. The original information that HB posted said base salaries.

Look under the base salary heading, its the first column after the team name, and you too will see that Bridgewater had a base salary of $1.25 million.

The significance being that being a four year veteran, you base salary is guaranteed if you are on the team after the first week of the season.
 
Curly Howard said:
You are looking at the total cash paid. The original information that HB posted said base salaries.

Look under the base salary heading, its the first column after the team name, and you too will see that Bridgewater had a base salary of $1.25 million.

The significance being that being a four year veteran, you base salary is guaranteed if you are on the team after the first week of the season.
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I had to turn my phone sideways lol.
 
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