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From those coaches being tied to us in some way...


Top 3:

1) Bobby Petrino
Went through this last year...

2) Jeff Tedford
Right up there with Norm Chow as far as developing QB's... and has done it with less talent than Chow... Tough but fair and relates well to players...

3) Mike Singletary
Pushed him a couple of seasons back and I am back... When they telecasted him coaching the SR Bowl last year, the first thing I thought was this guy has 'it'... Highly organized leader of men that people will follow and respect... I think he's the kind of guy players will play their ass off for...



Bottom 3:

1) Jim Fassell
Meh... Tired of the retreads already and Fassell comes off as being self-serving...

2) Norm Chow
Great teacher but not a born leader IMO... Very blah personality...

3) Denny Green
Badly mishandled the O-line in Zona and really underachieved with a roster that has a bunch of talent...
 
hawaiianboy said:
From those coaches being tied to us in some way...


Top 3:

1) Bobby Petrino
Went through this last year...

2) Jeff Tedford
Right up there with Norm Chow as far as developing QB's... and has done it with less talent than Chow... Tough but fair and relates well to players...

3) Mike Singletary
Pushed him a couple of seasons back and I am back... When they telecasted him coaching the SR Bowl last year, the first thing I thought was this guy has 'it'... Highly organized leader of men that people will follow and respect... I think he's the kind of guy players will play their ass off for...



Bottom 3:

1) Jim Fassell
Meh... Tired of the retreads already and Fassell comes off as being self-serving...

2) Norm Chow
Great teacher but not a born leader IMO... Very blah personality...

3) Denny Green
Badly mishandled the O-line in Zona and really underachieved with a roster that has a bunch of talent...
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Just curious HB. When have you had a chance to converse with Norm?
 
1) The Chin

2) Mike Martz

3) Rob Ryan


Nips getting hard.. ringing endorsements from Moss and that offense to stay in house and all are for Ryan from what I saw on ESPN

Theres a TIFWIW on another site, not the 12 year old fags at RFnet, but word is Rich Gannon was seen at 1220 Harbor BayParkway today...

Dont sling dick at me.. just passing on what I read

Rob Ryan DC/HC
Trestman OC
Rich Gannon - QB coach

I'm kinda warming up to Ryan, only to keep things in house.. and I say that because

These coaches and players know whats been going on in the inside the last 3 years.. Someone coming in from the outside wont truely understand

Ryan knows how the offensive players feel etc

Rob Ryan could really fill 2 rolls in 1

HC/DC

The key to all this coaching shit going on is that we make the right decision on the OC

I think Ryan would know from having coached along side 2 different HC's and 2 different OC's what kinda of guy we need

So I'm kinda thinking..

We outta keep it in house and just name him HC and let the search for a OC begin
 
GRaider said:
Just curious HB. When have you had a chance to converse with Norm?
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I attended football camps he was part of growing up... Heck I went to his daughter Maile's wedding... Coach Chow and the head coach of the HS team I was on staff with are best friends so we saw him whenever he was in town... The year after he didn't get the job with Hawaii, he came in town with BYU and scripted plays into a version of the run and shoot we had been running for about two hours...

The guy has a brilliant offensive mind but he bombed the Hawaii and Stanford interviews because he just doesn't have that aggressive leader vibe IMO... granted the Hawaii AD at the time was a moron so I don't hold that entirely against him... I could see him as a college coach, but he'd get run over on a team like the Raiders IMO... This team needs a strong hand IMO... Chow has been the right hand to coaches with strong personalites with BYU, NC St, SC and Tennessee... That IMO, is his niche...
 
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I guess Chow won't officially be lumped in with Norv Turner until he actually bombs as a head coach. Does interviewing him satisfy the Rooney rule?
 
Ugly Nipples said:
Nips getting hard.. ringing endorsements from Moss and that offense to stay in house and all are for Ryan from what I saw on ESPN
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Nice... all the pieces are starting to fall in place. Pray that Russell doesn't come out and we get our franchise back in AP to go along with a sweet 3 WR set. Hope the Phins lose Culpepper, and he's the vet QB we've been missing. This shit is starting to look like an organization again.
 
hawaiianboy said:
I attended football camps he was part of growing up... Heck I went to his daughter Maile's wedding... Coach Chow and the head coach of the HS team I was on staff with are best friends so we saw him whenever he was in town... The year after he didn't get the job with Hawaii, he came in town with BYU and scripted plays into a version of the run and shoot we had been running for about two hours...

The guy has a brilliant offensive mind but he bombed the Hawaii and Stanford interviews because he just doesn't have that aggressive leader vibe IMO... granted the Hawaii AD at the time was a moron so I don't hold that entirely against him... I could see him as a college coach, but he'd get run over on a team like the Raiders IMO... This team needs a strong hand IMO... Chow has been the right hand to coaches with strong personalites with BYU, NC St, SC and Tennessee... That IMO, is his niche...
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Interesting. Thanks.
 
hawaiianboy said:
From those coaches being tied to us in some way...


Top 3:

1) Bobby Petrino
Went through this last year...

2) Jeff Tedford
Right up there with Norm Chow as far as developing QB's... and has done it with less talent than Chow... Tough but fair and relates well to players...

3) Mike Singletary
Pushed him a couple of seasons back and I am back... When they telecasted him coaching the SR Bowl last year, the first thing I thought was this guy has 'it'... Highly organized leader of men that people will follow and respect... I think he's the kind of guy players will play their ass off for...



Bottom 3:

1) Jim Fassell
Meh... Tired of the retreads already and Fassell comes off as being self-serving...

2) Norm Chow
Great teacher but not a born leader IMO... Very blah personality...

3) Denny Green
Badly mishandled the O-line in Zona and really underachieved with a roster that has a bunch of talent...
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I was touting Singletary last time we were searching for a coach also. He is gonna be a good one for the team smart enough to give him the opportunity. Which we probably aren't.:(
 
GRaider said:
Interesting. Thanks.
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Keep in mind that I'm the same idiot that absolutely, positively didn't want that 'mamas boy looking' Sean Payton as HC, the same idiot that wanted to trade a 2nd for Daunte 'he'll heal, he'll heal in time' Culpepper, and probably the lone guy in Hawaii who doesn't care all that much for June Jones...

Chow is a great guy and maybe his brain power would be just what we need... Match him up with an OC with a strong personality like Lane Kiffen or Chow's boy Steve Sarkisian, and we may be good to go... I just think we need someone in the HC spot that can and will stand up to Al Davis...
 
Top 3 that I wouldn't want.

1) Shoop. I didn't believe his name would even come up.
2) Fassell. I think it would be a nothing hire similar to Turner.
3) Martz. A great offensive mind, but makes terrible decisions.

Top 3 that I would want, assuming Cowher and Parcells are not possible.

1) Bernard Petrino. Smart offensive mind and has turned Loiusville into a situation where they are now are now one of the top teams in college ball.
2) Jeff Tedford. Another smart offensive guy who has done well with QBs.
3) Pat Hill. I just like his attitude, always gets his teams to compete with intensity.

A year too soon.
1) Rob Ryan. Has he respect of everyone on defense and could possibly transfer that to the whole team. Not the offensive mind we need so OC would be crucial.
2) Chris Peterson. Boise State looked the best coached team in any of the bowls that I watched. It could just be the one year honeymoon after a successful coach. See Callahan, Bill.
 
I'm not going to bother with the top 3 as theywill never materialize anyway.

Who I don't want to see are:

Shoop
Fassil
Denny Green

If I were to bet money I'd say that it's Ryan's job to lose.
 
hawaiianboy said:
Keep in mind that I'm the same idiot that absolutely, positively didn't want that 'mamas boy looking' Sean Payton as HC, the same idiot that wanted to trade a 2nd for Daunte 'he'll heal, he'll heal in time' Culpepper, and probably the lone guy in Hawaii who doesn't care all that much for June Jones...
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No need to beat yourself up HB. Besides there some guy on the web named Bill that has a website that keeps track of stuff like this.
 
Banter said:
No need to beat yourself up HB. Besides there some guy on the web named Bill that has a website that keeps track of stuff like this.
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LMAO:D :D :D
 
Who I want:

1. Ryan. I think this guy has shown what he is made off taking our dogshit D and turning it into what it is. A good soldier and the players play their asses off for him. This D could have folded throughout the year and still laid it out on the line for Ryan at years end. That says a lot about the man to me.

2. Mike Singletary. I am with you guys on this. He is the hardass that demands respect that this team needs at top. Anyone else want to come to the sideline after making a mistake and have to deal with his stare?

3. Bill Walsh. Hey, this is my list of guys I want to coach and he is someone that fits the bill. I know it won't happen, but god damn it would be awesome.

Who I don't want:

1. A dude who is subserveant or a pussy.

2. A dude who has lost control of his team in a former job.

3. A retread.
 
After sleeping on it..

I'm all for Ryan as HC/DC

In fact I want it.. real bad.. Moss endorsed.. which means he'll be happy and we aint gotta burn a #1 on CJ and dump Moss which would be a lateral move

I'd just like for all of us to be able to enjoy what we thought we would when we signed Moss

His quitting on plays aside.. It's his way of thinking when he palys for a suckass team.. that will never change

I say we make the guy happy, which means he produces... because regardless of what anyone says.. Randy Moss is one of the best WR in the NFL, a deep threat take it to the house WR that can score on any given play

Man the thought of Russell tossing 60 yard strikes to Moss gives me a boner

My bet says Ryan HC, Trestman OC & Gannon as QB coach

And I'd be real happy with that
 
Dare I ask why the consensus is that Ryan is too soon? Its kinda HC now or never at this point if he's on our radar. I mean the odds of us keeping him as DC are very slim after this coming year and we dont need to fire whatever coach we hire again when Ryan isn't a year too late and our defense falls back into the toilet from a coaching stand point.

One thing in his favor is that he knows the players and is cool with them while still getting their respect. He doesn't just have their attention, he's earned it over the past couple years. Make the HC discipline transition much easier. I mean the Jets were after him last year. I'm sure more teams will want him in the next couple years for more money.

It sucks because he's a gamble(as is any first time HC). But you can't hold your cards on him. Either you hire him or you dont, no such thing as a year too soon since a year later isn't an option IMO.
 
You know, a couple years ago we all envied the Pats for what they were doing on defense. Everybody (or at least a lot of us) wanted us to get a defensive guy to run this thing for a change. Now we've finally got the opportunity to build a "defensive team"... Some of us have even waited decades for this.

For what it's worth, bringing in one of these college guys is no less a gamble than drafting a QB at #1. Let's face it... the pro game is just as much about managing personalities as it is about Xs and Os. Nick Saban and Pete Caroll showed us that there's no guarantee a national championship coach can manage the personalities that accompany $25 million salaries. (At the risk of being beaten upside the head by a surfboard, last time I checked neither Petrino nor Tedford has even won a championship at the college level)...

That's the one thing that Rob Ryan brings to the table. He's shown he can manage the big personalities like Warren Sapp and Ted Washington (not to mention develop younger guys like Nnamdi, Morrison, and Burgess, and build a freakin' winner). That right there is enough for me.

... and I'm not about to buy into the "he's a last resort guy". Not for a second. This is the guy... Davis just might be taking his time as usual so he can pick the brain of future coaches, like that Cameron who declined the IV this week... Just look at a guy like Peyton. Sure he turned Davis down, but Davis knows more about Peyton's coaching philosophy than any other org in the league outside of Dallas and NY. That's got to be worth something.
 
As good as the Defense is I want someone with a Defensive mind....

1) Ryan - I am sure he could do it...Passion and the guys seem to love him
2) Singeltary - Hard but yet seems to get through to his guys.
3) Rivera - I think this guy will be a really good HC soon

I would want who ever we hire as HC, have someone that is young and different to be the OC, not sure who but someone that is a little out side the box. NOT A RETREAD!
 
SoCalRaider said:
at the college level)...

That's the one thing that Rob Ryan brings to the table. He's shown he can manage the big personalities like Warren Sapp and Ted Washington (not to mention develop younger guys like Nnamdi, Morrison, and Burgess, and build a freakin' winner). That right there is enough for me.

... and I'm not about to buy into the "he's a last resort guy". Not for a second. This is the guy... Davis just might be taking his time as usual so he can pick the brain of future coaches, like that Cameron who declined the IV this week... Just look at a guy like Peyton. Sure he turned Davis down, but Davis knows more about Peyton's coaching philosophy than any other org in the league outside of Dallas and NY. That's got to be worth something.
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I think if RR is named HC, he'll be able to get Sapp and Terd back for another campaign while attracting some FA activity. I mean to get the defense to play at the level they did amid all the chaos, really speaks for itself . I'm still holding to the opinion that it's his job to lose and unless someone really bowls the old man over, RR will be running the team next season.
 
SoCalRaider said:



For what it's worth, bringing in one of these college guys is no less a gamble than drafting a QB at #1. Let's face it... the pro game is just as much about managing personalities as it is about Xs and Os. Nick Saban and Pete Caroll showed us that there's no guarantee a national championship coach can manage the personalities that accompany $25 million salaries. (At the risk of being beaten upside the head by a surfboard, last time I checked neither Petrino nor Tedford has even won a championship at the college level)...
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Dismissing guys like Tedford and Petrino out of hand simply because other college coaches have failed makes no sense to me.... To me that's on par with dismissing Ryan and Rivera simply because lifetime defensive coordinators like Romeo Crennell and Rod Marinelli crapped out... You judge on the individual and what you believe his ability to manage other coaches and players...

I listen to Tedford speak for 5 minutes and it's clear that he has an organized plan of direction and the ability to lead... That's not saying that Ryan doesn't in any way... That the players are pushing for Ryan makes me wary as much as it ensures me... The players also pushed for Joe Bugel at one time because that's what they knew and that's what they were comfortable with... I know you don't really follow the college scene but here's a piece on Tedford....


I wouldn't be upset with Ryan, but like Shell he's going to really need an x's and o's guy to prop him up IMO....

Positives with Ryan:

* Off the Belichick tree...
* Great bloodlines and enthusiastic
* Produced in less than ideal circumstances
* Familiar with Al's way
* Familiar with the roster

Negatives
* Never been a head coach at any level... clock/game mgt skills?...
* Familiar with Al's way- Al's way hasn't been working, I kind of want a fresh view... The last thing we need is another guy just being an extension of Al...
* Familiar with the roster- As a DC he's still one of the boys... will he be able to step outside that and lay the hammer as the boss?...


I'd feel alot more sure about Ryan if we had been allowed to hear him communicate his thoughts... He could sound like Yogi Bear so far as I know... If Al is going to go with Ryan he'd be well served to put a guy with some experience in as Assist HC, much like the Saints did by bringing in Joe Vitt to assist Sean Payton... Alex Gibbs as an Asst head coach/OL coach would work for me.... It would be great to stock the pond with guys like Sarkisian and Gannon on offense, but let's at least have one guy whose been through the whorehouse a time or two in there as well...
 
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