Who Will Start Week 1?

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My vote is for Culpepper. Duh

The QB's Compare thusly through three games:

McCown: 19 for 35 for 277 with 0 TD and 0 Int, 1 lost fumble and 3 sacks. Rating: 80.29

Walter: 20 for 35 for 154 with 1 TD and 1 Int, 0 lost fumbles and 2 sacks. Rating: 69.5

Culpepper: 15 of 28 for 200 with 3 TDs and 0 Ints and 1 lost fumble and 2 sacks. Rating: 112.2

No drama here. Culpepper starts.

If someone feels motivated (and knows how - I Don't) we could throw a poll up.
 
Culpepper certainly deserves it. I am still not sold, as a few series against vanilla defenses don't erase my memories of him right before and after the knee injury.

But you also have memories of monster seasons in Minny. That alone is enough to at least give him a shot over Walter and McCown.

It would be an amazing story if he was able to return anywhere close to that form. Tough to not be excited about what we've seen so far.
 
IK think you have to give the nod to SoCal's boy Pep. He's done the job.

Personally I thought he was done. So far he has proved me wrong which is fine by me. If this guy can get the mojo back we could be in business.
 
IK think you have to give the nod to SoCal's boy Pep. He's done the job.

Personally I thought he was done. So far he has proved me wrong which is fine by me. If this guy can get the mojo back we could be in business.

Same here. Don't need him to pass for 4,000 yards anymore. Just play within your means and don't turn the freaking ball over. Looks like we'll have a running game too. With our defense, we should win some games this year.
 
Did you catch LaMont's YPC average?

You don't want to know.
 
I lean toward McCown for a few reasons:

1)Pep is still recovering from knee injuries and that alone makes me want to keep him sitting til McCown chokes!

2)Based soley on last nights game, Mac seems to be finding his groove in this offense, of course, so is Pep.

3) I just think when you combine the turnover ratio and mobility, McCown is just better all around fit for this offense. When the opposition starts calling the kid Gannon, well.......

Either way, I am content with either Qb to start against Detroit in Week 1. I think McCown has the revenge factor going for him as well, he'd love to show the Lions that they screwed up.
 
3) I just think when you combine the turnover ratio and mobility, McCown is just better all around fit for this offense. When the opposition starts calling the kid Gannon, well.......

Either way, I am content with either Qb to start against Detroit in Week 1. I think McCown has the revenge factor going for him as well, he'd love to show the Lions that they screwed up.

Good points. The fumbles are a concern, Pepp has been a turnover machine most of his career.
 
Great. So we can start McCown against Detroit in Week 1.

Culpepper against Miami in Week 4.

Culpepper against Minnesota in Week 11.

And Walter against everyone else. :D

My vote is for Culpepper all year.
 
Well, if we were planning on maybe moving McCown to Atlanta, his performance yesterday did nothing but help...


I'm not much of a numbers guy... Right now Pepper looks the most relaxed and in control of the pocket... He recognized blitzes quick and sees coverages pretty well... I think he's our guy and more important, the team seems to look at him that way and I think his past success maybe gives him some respect... As should be expected, he doesn't seem entirely in sync with his receivers yet, so some of the near misses should be conversions in a few weeks, hopefully...
 
Not so fast on Culpepper

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on August 25th, 2007

As he stood in the locker room Friday night, Daunte Culpepper said he felt like the starting quarterback of the Raiders.

Coach Lane Kiffin was not willing to go that far, and in fact had the most praise for Josh McCown, who was the odds-on favorite to start before Culpepper arrived on July 31. McCown was 6-for-9 for 138 yards and led the Raiders to a touchdown and a field goal.

"As you look at it, Josh had three incompletions _ one was a throw away and the other two Mike Williams dropped on him," Kiffin told Bay Area reporters by conference call Saturday afternoon. "Otherwise, he almost plays perfect."
Culpepper was 4-for-8 for 47 yards, beat a blitz for a 19-yard touchdown pass to Ronald Curry and led the Raiders on another drive to the 1 that ended when LaMont Jordan lost a fumble in the end zone.

"Daunte did some some good things as well, too," Kiffin said. "He's still not playing as fast as we'd like him to play because he's still catching up with the offense."

Kiffin said that by playing fast, he wasn't talking about Culpepper's ability to run rather than the ability to think quickly and make decisions in an offense he is still learning.

Bottom line _ Kiffin isn't ready to put the issue to bed.

"I want to take a couple more days here on it and obviously go one way or the other," Kiffin said. "Either name a guy or go one more week."
Kiffin said he planned on viewing cut-ups of all the quarterbacks to watch every snap of all three preseason games. His mission is to determine whether Culpepper, given his learning curve so far, will be far enough along by Sept. 9 to be the starter.

One more thing _ Andrew Walter is still in the race, according to Kiffin.
"Yes he is," Kiffin said. "It's unfortunate that's how the game went, that it wasn't a close game in the fourth qaurter like it was the week before when Josh comes in and he's having to throw to help the team, wheras Andrew's really looking at handing the ball off."

Kiffin may be only 32, but he's got a great poker face and he's not an easy guy to read. He could know beyond a reasonable certainty who will start against the Lions and simply doesn't want to part with the information.
Whatever the reason, on a day when the general tenor of media coverage had Culpepper anointed as the starter, Kiffin went out of his way to say that wasn't the case.

The issue of Culpepper thinking and acting fast is a legtimate concern. Then intensity of the regular season will be like turning a blender from medium to high. Culpepper is running well once he gets his feet under him, but is still prone to the occasional stumble and doesn't always look smooth in the immediate aftermath of the snap.

The four fumbles by Culpepper which occurred in the two previous preseason games is not a new problem. In 85 games as an NFL quarterback, Culpepper has fumbled 84 times (losing 35). The all-time leader in fumbles, Warren Moon, had 161 fumbles but it took him 208 games.

As for Walter, he remains the longshot because of his mobility in an offense which is going to run a high percentage of plays with a moving pocket and different launching points.

The Raiders took a step backward by allowing four sacks against St. Louis, and count on Detroit and all Oakland's other early opponents to bring extra bodies to test their pass blocking skills after last season's debacle.

Opening with Walter, in that scenario, seems unlikely even if he has performed admirably. Even a few people close to Walter thought it might take a year before he could recover and play with the kind of poise he has shown the past few weeks.


More news and notes:


– Multiple dropped passes and potential interceptions continue to plague the Raiders. Williams had two drops, Jerry Porter had two balls go off his hands (pass interference was called on one of them) and Adimchobe Echemandu dropped an easy chance out of the backfield.

"It's very discouraging, and probably the most discouraging thing we have going on right now, is the drops," Kiffin said. "No only on offense, but we don't catch the ball on defense, either. Something's going on here, and we've got to figure out a way to get it fixed, because we've got too many turnovers they're throwing to us that we're dropping, and we're obviously dropping way too many balls on offense."

The most reliable receivers have been tight ends John Madsen and Zach Miller, along with Curry.

"I think it's a real credit to the accuracy of our quarterbacks and how well they're playing, that even with the drops they can still have decent numbers," Kiffin said.

– What will the Raiders final receiving corps look like? The guess here is Curry, Porter, Travis Taylor, Higgins and Williams.

– The center battle between Jake Grove and Jeremy Newberry goes on without a winner.

"Jeremy's more powerful, Jake's quicker, and we're still weighing that in," Kiffin said. "They're very, very close right now."

One possibility, although remote, would be to open with Newberry against 3-4 teams which present an immovable nose guard (Jamal Williams of San Diego comes to mind) and start Grove against matchups which better suit him.
"You don't want to do that too much," Kiffin said. "You'd really like to get in a rhythm of the same quarterback and the same center all working together, so the center's working with those guards. You really don't want to get into that, but it is an option."

– Echemandu's 153 yards rushing leads the NFL in that department, although only 10 of 32 teams have played three preseason games.

– Cornerback Stanford Routt, who practiced last Wednesday, will practice Sunday and possibly face Seattle. Originally, Routt was expected to be out until the opener.

– Fabian Washington was taken to school by Rams veteran Isaac Bruce for a 40-yard gain on the first play from scrimmage and later hurdled by Brian Leonard. Kiffin expressed confidence in Washington, saying, "He's practicing great and he's playing very well, except for a play here or there. It's usually one play per game."

– Kiffin thought defensive tackle Gerard Warren looked rusty in his first appearance with the Raiders. Warren was essentially put on ice by the Broncos for the last two weeks until they found a trade partner.
"We've got to get him into shape," Kiffin said.

– It's conceivable Higgins and Chris Carr could split return duties, with Higgins handling punts and Carr kickoffs.

"It's definitely possible," Kiffin said. "It's going to be irrelevant whichever guy does one. We're going to find the best kick returner, and we're going to find the best punt returner, and it has nothing to do with the other one."
 
Sure if you ignore how weak McCown looked in the 1st 2 preseason games, then I might give some credence to that ballwasher McDonald :D

Let me do McDonald one better... Clearly McCown's breakout performance last night was due to the greatness of DC. Great players make everybody around them better... and clearly DC should be commended for making McCown a better QB last night... and also making Walter look much better this preseason... Lead by example baby!

... but on a serious note, I think Kiffin is doing some major posturing in the media right now... and why not use McDonald as his sounding board. Last thing Kiffin wants to do is name DC the starter before seeing what he can get in a trade for either McCown or Walter. As long as there is the appearance that either may have a shot at the starting job, the Raiders keep some leverage.
 
I think it's an easy call. Culpepper to start week 1. I said he'd start the most games for us back when that question was asked. And none of the reasons have changed.

I think Walter's played very well, but his biggest problem is pocket awareness. He's got all the tools to be a top-flight NFL QB: strong arm, good accuracy, can make quick decisions (unfortunately not always). But he still looks like a guy who's not had too many reps in a good offense. He has some lingering after effects of having been asked to stand in the pocket and wait, and wait, and wait... Bottom line, he's not ready yet, not for these Raiders. A rebuilding team? Without question. A team that can actually win half it's games? No.

McCown? Seriously? The guy who, with his immense grasp of how to run this offense, turned in the first 2 performances that he did? I can't imagine handing the reigns to a guy who'll be hot and cold from week to week, or quarter to quarter. Comparing him to Gannon? I see it. I just don't see him putting it together on a regular basis the way Gannon did.
 
Gannon's first year in the S&B wasn't all that hot:

304 comp 515 attempts 59% 3840 yds 7.5 avg 24TD's 14 Ints 86.5 rating
 
I know I would feel the most confident with Pepp starting. Yes he has the injury concern, but more and more that seems to disappear. The two biggest things he has over the other two is experience and past success. Fact is that unlike Walter and Josh, Daunte has won. He knows how to win and he (as HBoy alluded to) seems to inspire the team. DC is the Raider QB by an unheld team vote. Just look at the sidelines.
 
What would you give for this?

302 complettions 565 attempts 53.5% 3759 yds 6.7 avg 20 TD's 12 INT's 77.3 rating

Maybe a lock of hair.

I don't think Kerry Collins was as much a problem for that Raider team as the defense was.

Now that the defense is up to snuff, that same performance by Collins would probably be good enough for an 8-8 record.
 
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No. 1 quarterback is no snap for Kiffin, Raiders
By Steve Corkran

STAFF WRITER
Contra Costa Times
Article Launched:08/30/2007 03:06:48 AM PDT
SEATTLE -- Identifying a starting quarterback for the upcoming season was among Raiders coach Lane Kiffin's top priorities when he was hired Jan. 22.

More than seven months later, the search continues. Andrew Walter was removed from the competition based on his inconsistent play during the team's three minicamps, training camp and three exhibition games. Rookie JaMarcus Russell's chances died with his failure to sign a contract and join his teammates at training camp.

That leaves nine-year veteran Daunte Culpepper and six-year veteran Josh McCown left to battle for a job neither was in the running for four months ago. Kiffin is expected to name a starter for Oakland's regular-season opener Sept. 9 soon after tonight's exhibition finale against the Seattle Seahawks.

Culpepper has performed the best in Oakland's three exhibition games. Yet, he said he isn't sure if he has done enough to be considered the clear-cut choice.

"I feel I've got a lot to offer a club," Culpepper said. "I feel like I'm a starter, but, at the same time, I feel like we've got a really good team and can go a long way (with whomever)."

Culpepper has been everything the Raiders hoped when they signed him July 29, Kiffin said. His surgically repaired right knee no longer is a concern, and he has done an impressive job learning the offense in a month's time.

"We signed Daunte to compete to be the starting quarterback, and that's exactly what he's done," Kiffin said. "If he's the starter, he's the starter. That's the first conversation I had (with him) before we ever signed him, making sure he understood he's going to get a great shot at being the starting quarterback. He may not be the starter; he may be the backup, and I needed to know how he was going to handle that. He was great about it."

McCown got a three-month jump on Culpepper in terms of learning the offense. He arrived via a trade with the Detroit Lions at the end of April and has immersed himself in the playbook ever since.

All those hours studying the playbook, meeting with coaches and working with his teammates in practice created a huge gap between McCown and Culpepper, Kiffin said.

"I got here before him so I got a little bit of a jump on him as far as learning the offense," McCown said. "We're both still relatively new to this thing, as is everybody, for that matter. At the same time, I just go out and work and I don't put any (pressure) on myself like I am the underdog."

Just the same, Kiffin said, Culpepper has narrowed that gap considerably and made this a "two-man race."

One thing everyone agrees upon is that the wide-open competition has pushed all the quarterbacks and made each one better. In turn, McCown and Culpepper said, that figures to make the Raiders a better team.

"Coach Kiffin brought a (good) staff in here, and they're a no-nonsense group of coaches," Culpepper said. "I like that. They want to coach all the players that want to be coached, and that brings out the best in all players."

McCown and Culpepper are expected to see limited playing time tonight, Kiffin said. Perhaps they'll do enough for Kiffin to feel good about making a decision seven-plus months in the making.
 
Maybe a lock of hair.

I don't think Kerry Collins was as much a problem for that Raider team as the defense was.

Now that the defense is up to snuff, that same performance by Collins would probably be good enough for an 8-8 record.
Rep...... Couldn't agree more.
 
I think it's an easy call. Culpepper to start week 1. I said he'd start the most games for us back when that question was asked. And none of the reasons have changed.

I think Walter's played very well, but his biggest problem is pocket awareness. He's got all the tools to be a top-flight NFL QB: strong arm, good accuracy, can make quick decisions (unfortunately not always). But he still looks like a guy who's not had too many reps in a good offense. He has some lingering after effects of having been asked to stand in the pocket and wait, and wait, and wait... Bottom line, he's not ready yet, not for these Raiders. A rebuilding team? Without question. A team that can actually win half it's games? No.
IMO any team with a defense like ours and any sort of competent offense has a strong shot at 8-8.

So the only question in my mind is: Will the offense be competent? I think it will. Why? Because IMO, without question, the NUMBER ONE factor that's been holding our offense back is scheme/coaching/playcalling. I believe that improves enough this year to put us at .500 or better.
 
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