Who should the raiders look to draft at QB?

Who should we get? (Explain how we get in comments if it needs trading up)

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godeep811 said:
This is overly simplistic on draft strategy.

We all get the meaning of “value” when picking players. Yet, a GM also has to assess:

-drop off in terms of value for a specific player and the next ranked player
-the level of risk of another team picking the player after you pass on him
- incorporate the importance of the QB position

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Mo simplistic, am I reading this correctly? (Mo has me blocked). If so, I’m shocked. Lol
 
godeep811 said:
This is overly simplistic on draft strategy.

We all get the meaning of “value” when picking players. Yet, a GM also has to assess:

-drop off in terms of value for a specific player and the next ranked player
-the level of risk of another team picking the player after you pass on him
- incorporate the importance of the QB position

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Darkenblot said:
QBs are just different.

If you think your guy is there, pick him.
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What is the bigger regret?
  • Not landing an OT if Penix is good
  • Not landing Penix if Penix is good
We can assume the OT will be good. And it would add insult to injury if we drafted Penix and he got hurt. But trying to double dip in the 1st is fools gold. Not buying that AP/Telescope are banking on it.

The need for a RT and RG plus Getsy’s O and our signing of Minshew point in a different direction: OT at #13 and Rattler at #44. If we were in on Penix, seems like the offseason plays out differently.
 
CARR'S JILTED LOVER 818 said:
There's really nothing to be scared about. Giving up a shit ton of assets and mortgaging the future to move up and nab a guy can be scary. Taking Penix at 13 is a no brainer, a walk in the park.

Stop with the convoluted plans to draft an OT or CB at 13 and then moving up to hopefully get Penix later. Don't fuck around. Does it matter that much if we draft Penix at 13 or at 25 ? GTFOOH with that bullshit.

Oh, and if Penix sucks or his arm falls off, we just take another swing in a year or two. Not the end of the world.

I'm scared of doing nothing. Get off the fucking dime already and don't overthink this.
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My one regret is that I have but one 'like' to give.
 
The analogy of QBs, hell, any players, and stock doesn't make sense. In very simple terms, stock generally isn't finite, it just costs more if you're not quick. If you're not quick on the last QB, you end up with none, not a more expensive QB.
 
Handicapper General said:
The analogy of QBs, hell, any players, and stock doesn't make sense. In very simple terms, stock generally isn't finite, it just costs more if you're not quick. If you're not quick on the last QB, you end up with none, not a more expensive QB.
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draft prospects and "stock" is how the community regards them. If your stock is up - you're going higher than expected. If your stock is down - lower. At this point in the process it's very heavily on character, rumor, and injury reports. Very rarely a pro day can explode someones stock with a fast timing or other extremely impressive moment. I'd say Zach Wilson got drafted 2 overall because of his pro day.

It doesn't matter to the teams selecting them other than cost. It matters to the players because higher positions are more money.

TLDR - bunch of common sense crap.
 
Langlier said:
draft prospects and "stock" is how the community regards them. If your stock is up - you're going higher than expected. If your stock is down - lower. At this point in the process it's very heavily on character, rumor, and injury reports. Very rarely a pro day can explode someones stock with a fast timing or other extremely impressive moment. I'd say Zach Wilson got drafted 2 overall because of his pro day.

It doesn't matter to the teams selecting them other than cost. It matters to the players because higher positions are more money.

TLDR - bunch of common sense crap.
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I was talking about this:

‘Think of your top picks as a stock.It’s not if you buy it, but did you buy it at the right value’

Except you can buy stocks at bad value, but still come away with the stock. If you get too cute, you don't have to pay more for Penix, you're left with Rattler.
 
Handicapper General said:
I was talking about this:

‘Think of your top picks as a stock.It’s not if you buy it, but did you buy it at the right value’

Except you can buy stocks at bad value, but still come away with the stock. If you get too cute, you don't have to pay more for Penix, you're left with Rattler.
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i missed that post. carry on
 
Raider fans discussing value and maneuvering up or down a draft board to gain "value" when they sit here post draft every season spit shining guys like Arnette, Leatherwood and Darius Heyward Bey.

Fuckin take Penix at 13 and call it a day. If you are gonna whiff go for the QB for a change.
 
Crossbones said:
Don’t encourage him. :D

PS - it was a good take.
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What could go wrong:
  • Signing Minshew at $15M to run
  • WCO with slow WR2 and TE1
  • WCO running naked rollouts
  • WCO throwing horizontally
  • WCO with poor RG/RT
  • Drafting Penix at #13
Is @alteredst8 the only one paying attention?
 
007 said:
Raider fans discussing value and maneuvering up or down a draft board to gain "value" when they sit here post draft every season spit shining guys like Arnette, Leatherwood and Darius Heyward Bey.

Fuckin take Penix at 13 and call it a day. If you are gonna whiff go for the QB for a change.
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I agree. Just not feeling it. See above.
 
Sleet said:
What could go wrong:
  • Signing Minshew at $15M to run
  • WCO with slow WR2 and TE1
  • WCO running naked rollouts
  • WCO throwing horizontally
  • WCO with poor RG/RT
  • Drafting Penix at #13
Is @alteredst8 the only one paying attention?
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At least it’s a deep draft at OT and G …
I’m fine with Penix at 13 I just think we need a few pieces to make it work well.

RT/RG both in FA and Draft
WR that has some chops on 50/50 balls
Another versatile RB that can catch and block.

I assume a RG and RT will still shake free as offseason progresses.
 
Where is a Nix/Penix level prospect going to be drafted next year and where will the Raiders be drafting? At face value, those two situations appear to be trending in opposite directions, meaning it could end up more costly to wait. Take the QB, sit him for a year if you don't feel comfortable with the supporting cast.
 
Handicapper General said:
I was talking about this:

‘Think of your top picks as a stock.It’s not if you buy it, but did you buy it at the right value’

Except you can buy stocks at bad value, but still come away with the stock. If you get too cute, you don't have to pay more for Penix, you're left with Rattler.
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Exactly. That's why I don't think of draft prospects are like stocks.

If you don't draft a player since they are overvalued, then you might get a player, like a stock, that is mediocre or plain bad (after all the other decent stocks are snapped up)

Ok, I'm not buying the Amazon stock.

Well, that might entail buying Wayfair stock.

And Amazon's 5 year return is exponentially higher than Wayfair's.
 
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