What Would You Think Of This...?

[MasterRaider]

Vick A Raider? What Do You Think?!?

Here's something to picture as you look ahead to the offseason: Michael Vick in a Raiders jersey. The Falcons, who have given Vick every possible chance, will be willing to part with their quarterback and would gladly take draft picks.
-- Charlotte Observer

I dont know where these guys make these things up from...but I could imagine if it happend...I'd be pretty upset...

 

[MasterRaider]

I really hope theres no truth to this rumor

 

[NIPS]

Moss was stated as saying that Atlanta was his choice to go to

Was it because of Vick

I'd quess so, he certainly was'nt going there because of their defense.

I heard Vick and Moss are said to be good friends

This could really change Moss outlook in Oakland, I know Sapp digs Vick

And ya Simeon Rice is a FA, perhaps Sapp could lure him here for a few more years

Get Vick, Rice and draft Adrian Petrson and this offense, if nothing else would be exciting

I'm warming up to Vick but not for a 1st rd pick or for Moss

I'd like to see Vick and Moss together

 

[BigTron]

Vick wont get traded for anything short of 2 first rounders IMO

 

[YodasBeast]

The only possible ways that Vick would come here is A) He's cut from the Falcons and then we pick him up or B) Vick's contract is torn up and a new one is written up for the Raiders that is more cap friendly.

I think it was just 2 years ago that Vick signed a long term deal for $100M.

His base salary over the rest of his contract is as follows:
2007 6000000.00
2008 7500000.00
2009 9000000.00
2010 10500000.00
2011 12000000.00
2012 12500000.00
2013 13500000.00

That comes out to $71M for the rest of the contract. And if I'm calculating right, he's getting a bonus of about $3.86M/yr for another $19.3M which the Falcons would have to absorb if they either cut or trade him (although I think the player can waive that or repay the bonus if they really want out).

So, as you can see, it's not fiscally reasonable to get Vick here under current conditions, nor for the Falcons to get rid of him at this time.

 

[Crossbones]

So, as you can see, it's not fiscally reasonable to get Vick here under current conditions, nor for the Falcons to get rid of him at this time.

Good. We need another running back but I think Vick wants to play QB.

 

[Madturk]

This is the type of knee jerk signing that I could see Al pulling off but the cap implications and draft picks that Atl will want for a career 50% passer will be too prohibitive. When all is said and done, Mora Jr. will be shown the door IMO.

 

[Crossbones]

Al tried to trade the whole damn team for John Elway but...

Mr. Vick, you're no John Elway. Case Closed.

 

[GRaider]

Al tried to trade the whole damn team for John Elway but...

Mr. Vick, you're no John Elway. Case Closed.

What he said.^

 

[Turo]

And, if the Falcons trade Vick after June 1st, they actually save something like 5 or 6 mil against next year's cap.. but get heavily reamed in 2008 (although the cap will have increased significantly by then, too).

 

[Langlier]

Ok im all for this on one account... you remove his brain and implant oh say... mine!!! Then we can have our new QB.

 

[jatfly]

This is the type of knee jerk signing that I could see Al pulling off but the cap implications and draft picks that Atl will want for a career 50% passer will be too prohibitive. When all is said and done, Mora Jr. will be shown the door IMO.

I am not sold that Mora will be shown the door, they love Schaub there too.......
Vick's day may be number now he has shown he can turn on the fans at any moment.
I don't know how people are taking him flipping the fans the FU-Bird...I know in Pittsburgh that wouldn't go over really well.

Remember the people that own the Falcons owe Home Depot and know Marketing as well as business.
And Speaking of Pittsburgh Vick is starting to remind me of a ex QB in the burg, just a little better???
Now I think surrounded with the right Group Vick can be Dangerous, but he's no Payton.....


The real question the owners of the Falcons are asking themselves this off season is,
If they want people in the seats for winning record or single players name?

 

[Madturk]

And, if the Falcons trade Vick after June 1st, they actually save something like 5 or 6 mil against next year's cap.. but get heavily reamed in 2008 (although the cap will have increased significantly by then, too).

Yeah the cap implications are not quite as bad as I had initially thought but signing him would pretty much prohibit bringing in any noteworthy OL in here not to mention the draft picks that Atlanta would want. No doubt he would fill some seats and have AFC West DC"s scratching their heads.

 

[hawaiianboy]

I'm probably in the minority here but I wouldn't be opposed to this provided:

1) We don't give up a top 10 pick for him....

2) We don't stupidly try and continue to make a pocket QB out of the guy...

This is a guy you get to the edges a good deal of the time and give him a pass/run option... You bootleg him like Denver does with Plummer... He's not the pocket QB Atlanta has been trying to make... He can be a huge headache for defenses if you let the guy get out of the pocket and put pressure on the defenses... A faster left handed version of Jim Zorn...

Here's the cap breakdown:

Trading Vick before June 1, 2007 would trigger a mind-numbing cap charge of $22.25 million. The dead money, factoring in the $6 million salary Vick wouldn't be paid in 2007, would be $15.75 million.

However, if the Falcons were to make the move after June 1, the cap charge for 2007 would drop to $7.57 million, with a net hit of $1.57 million. The transaction would actually create $6 million in 2007 cap space.

The problem would arise in 2008, when the Falcons would be hit with $14.68 million in cap charges. The dead money, based on a Vick's salary of $7.5 million, would be $7.18 million.

Still, if the salary cap gets to $115 million by 2008, the dead money would be roughly six percent of the team's available player payroll for the season. And by 2009, he'd be completely off of the books.

So if Vick wants out, and if the team is willing to let him out, a trade would be feasible after June 1.

(Greg Aiello, NFL spokesman, tells us that, although the new CBA allows the cap hit for a trade made after June 1 to be spread over two years, the rule that allows teams to release up to two players before June 1 and process the move as a post-June 1 transaction does not apply to trades.)

Of course, the bigger question would be whether anyone else would willing to take on Vick's contract, which has salaries of $6 million in 2007, $7.5 million in 2008, $9 million in 2009, $10.5 million in 2010, $12 million in 2011, $12.5 million in 2012, and $13.5 million in 2013.

 

[Turo]

There is no way in hell, however, that we'd be able to afford Moss AND Vick under the cap.. they'd be something like 20-25M together! OUCH! Personally, I'd rather go a different direction (in both cases). I think the salary does not justify the production (same goes for Porter).

 

[Seraph24]

2) We don't stupidly try and continue to make a pocket QB out of the guy...

There you have it. the reason he's up and down. He'll never be a qb, but why make him one? let him be a weapon the way he is. Its like telling Barry Sanders to stick to the proper holes his line barely opened up or telling Bo Jackson to run around Brian Bosworth rather than killing him and stepping on the remains.