What if Petrino had said yes?

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Admittingly, it's crossed my mind once or a few hundred times...

On another note, Al Saunders, Pat Hill and Ken Whisenhunt seemed to have taken the lead pipe of bad luck across the forehead after being linked to the Raider opening...

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From Jerry Mac's blog:

Nov 04 2006

What if Petrino had said yes?

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Saturday at 8:12 pm

If you watched Louisville cut West Virginia to pieces Thursday night, you probably thought about it, if only for a moment.

Then maybe you looked at the offensive stats of the Raiders and thought about it a little more.

There’s little doubt that if Bobby Petrino was running the Oakland Raiders, they’d be a better offensive team they they are now. They’d just about have to be.

Petrino is guiding college football’s most explosive offense at Louisville, a diverse attack which has all the passes _ short, medium and deep _ in its repetoire. The Cardinals are also a pretty fair running team, even after losing their top runner, potential first-round pick Michael Bush, for the season.

Take that offensive creativity and transplant it in Oakland, where you’ve got Rob Ryan leading a defense that that is starting to create a bit of a buzz around the NFL.

Take that 2-5, and invert it.

OK, if that’s too ambitious, 4-3 is certainly within the realm of possibility.

Instead of throwing Andrew Walter to an offensive coordinator in Tom Walsh who hasn’t coached in the NFL since 1994 and a quarterbacks coach (Jim McElwain) in his first year in the NFL, you’d have a a coach with previous NFL experience plus several years at the major college level running his own program.

There would be some theories as to how to alleviate pressure, receivers going in motion, and more than a few mismatches in the secondary for the receivers. Hell, Jerry Porter might even get along with Petrino.

It all looks so perfect in retrospect.

But even if the Raiders were marginally better now, you wonder how it might have played out later.

Petrino is used to running his own show. How would he have reacted if Doug Gabriel was suddenly traded out from under him for a fifth-round draft pick?

He’s been a very ambitous coach, a guy always looking for the next job. Lord knows if Louisville plays for the national championship this year, he’s writing his own ticket.

Whether Al Davis wants to remember it or not, Petrino was his first choice. Oh, he distanced himself from it as far as possible when Shell was hired. He layed it all on Mike Lombardi, who not coincidentally seems to have taken a seat behind Sean Jones in the confusing hierchy that is the Raiders front office.

Davis even called him, “Bernard'’ Petrino at the press conference, which may well have been a calculated attempt to make it sound as if he wasn’t really all that serious a candidate.

I thought at the time Petrino was the best candidate and said as much. They’d no doubt have a better record if he was the head coach of the 2006 Raiders. He brought with him the potential of a new start and fresh ideas, similar to the guy Davis hired in 1998.

But looking back on it, Petrino, who fell all over himself denying any contact with the Raiders after the story broke in ANG Newspapers, probably made the right call.

Dealing with Davis is like nothing else in professional sports, and the fact is Shell is the best equipped to do it. Davis’ physical limitations have made it impossible for him to view practice on a daily basis, restricting his involvement watching on film and game days.

Imagine a headstrong coach like Petrino, essentially working with Davis for the first time, having to take suggestions and/or orders from a boss who isn’t even watching practice every day. For Shell, it’s no problem. He’ll even stick up for himself.

One Raider insider told me that there have been instances were ex-players who have Al’s ear call him with suggestions, only to be told by Davis, “Have you got Art’s number? Call Art.'’ In other words, Davis is leaving much of the operation to Shell because he trusts him and because Shell shares his vision.

If Petrino had said yes, it’s not difficult to envision a year in which the Raiders start to turn things around. Ryan’s contract had already been extended, and the defensive talent and system would be the same as it is now.

Soon, the rumors would begin. Plane trips to Ohio State that didn’t exist . . . interest from the top professional jobs, with rich owners offering cash and draft picks . . .

Then the Raiders would be right back where they were before Shell came aboard. They don’t need someone who wants to be the head coach. They need someone who wants to be head coach of the Raiders.

There’s a big difference.

 
Thanks for the article HBoy...I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. In many ways I think Jerry is right. It's kinda sad. I still think the biggest problem the Raiders face is their ability to attract top notch coaching. Yes and it's JMO.

I hope Art c an get us headed in the right direction but this Tom Waslh crap is still troubling to me.
 
CrossBones said:

I hope Art c an get us headed in the right direction but this Tom Waslh crap is still troubling to me.


Well, I was pretty bummed we didn't close Petrino... I thought we had him wrapped up even when the media was telling us he wasn't even a candidate...


I love Art Shell to death... but from what I've seen from his choice of offensive coordinators, I almost think we'd have been better off keeping Turner another year, firing Jimmy Raye and bringing in a guy like James Lofton off the Chargers staff, or my man crush Ken Zampese off the Bengals staff to be Norv's O-coordinator...

What's done is done, but I just haven't seen anything to be optimistic about from our O scheme... Obviously Al has given Art almost total carte blanche running the team... The players dislike of Walsh's system was one of the things that led to Art's downfall his first go around... I just hope we won't see history repeat itself... I pray that if we don't see some dramatic improvement from the O over the last half of this year, that Art is able to seperate friendship and make a move at the OC spot if it's in the best interest of the team...
 
Any scenario in which Turner was our HC in this year was unacceptable to me.

I'd rather have Shell/Walsh...Heck at least our team has cut down on penalties and has some sort of 'direction' going forward and a fire in their eyes.

Shell>Turner, IMO.

We just need to get Walsh the fuck outta dodge.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
We just need to get Walsh the fuck outta dodge.
That's how I see it. I might have to eat my words after we have our offensive explosion Monday night but as of right now... he ain't the real deal.
 
If Petrino managed to get our offensive line not to suck, we'd be a better ball club. If not, we'd still be pretty awful on offense.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Any scenario in which Turner was our HC in this year was unacceptable to me.

Meh... I wasn't a big Norv fan, but at least we somewhat knew what we were doing out there and would have had an additional year of continuation of scheme...


Shell>Turner, IMO.

No doubt... but I'd take Ken Zampese gameplanning and calling plays from Norv's vertical offense playbook over the Shell-Walsh duo... The defense obviously likes Ryan and have bought fully into his scheme so I don't think it really matters to them all that much...

I don't know, when I see a first time coordinator in KC successfully adapting his playbook around having two OT starters and his starting QB out, it just makes me wonder why we can't do more to put our guys in a position that makes pass pro a little easier and gets the ball out of our young QB's hands quicker...

I'm still hoping Walsh and the offense turn things around because it feels like we've left 2-3 dubyas out on the field with more to come...
 
hawaiianboy said:
What's done is done, but I just haven't seen anything to be optimistic about from our O scheme... Obviously Al has given Art almost total carte blanche running the team... The players dislike of Walsh's system was one of the things that led to Art's downfall his first go around... I just hope we won't see history repeat itself... I pray that if we don't see some dramatic improvement from the O over the last half of this year, that Art is able to seperate friendship and make a move at the OC spot if it's in the best interest of the team...

Well then I would put the blame squarely on Shell's shoulders for his choice of OC. I'd probably venture a guess that money had some thing to do with it. Shell no doubt is one of the lowest paid NFL head coaches if not the lowest paid. There are probably a fair amount of OC's that make more than Shell does. Just don't understand why Al will throw all kinds of money at FA's but when it comes to coaching candidates he turns into Scrooge.
 
Madturk said:
Well then I would put the blame squarely on Shell's shoulders for his choice of OC. I'd probably venture a guess that money had some thing to do with it. Shell no doubt is one of the lowest paid NFL head coaches if not the lowest paid. There are probably a fair amount of OC's that make more than Shell does. Just don't understand why Al will throw all kinds of money at FA's but when it comes to coaching candidates he turns into Scrooge.
Ummm...yes!

We wanted Turner gone BAD. So is this one of those "be careful what you wish for..." things? Appears to be. I mean I love Art but man he stepped on his dick with this Walsh hire. But I always say that people are going to do what they know and associate with people they are confortable with...that's what's happening here between Al and Art and Art and Dumb f*ck Wlash. (FTR I hate him)...

On another note, the weather in Seattle is fuc*ing TERRIBLE. They are predicting 6" of rain today and the wind is bad news too...I'm doing some early morning work while Abelardo and that Walsh Lover Rupert are sleeping. Internet is down at the house so I was upside down this morning. Had to punk some computer time at my vendor's place. Anyway, think about it...tonight this weather probably evened up the matchup but still it's not going to be easy for anybody to "execute" (:p ) but then we don't anyway so I say advantage RAIDERS....

Film @ Eleven!
 
Our offense won't be able to get anything going anyway so whatever hurts Seattles offense is good for me.
 
HE may not have won 3 in a row like Shell is about to!!!!
 
CrossBones said:
On another note, the weather in Seattle is fuc*ing TERRIBLE. They are predicting 6" of rain today and the wind is bad news too...I'm doing some early morning work while Abelardo and that Walsh Lover Rupert are sleeping. Internet is down at the house so I was upside down this morning. Had to punk some computer time at my vendor's place. Anyway, think about it...tonight this weather probably evened up the matchup but still it's not going to be easy for anybody to "execute" (:p ) but then we don't anyway so I say advantage RAIDERS....

Film @ Eleven!

I read 30-40 MPH winds and cold rain. Should be a real sloppy one but should favor our running game even with our shitty OL. Last time we played in this slop, Woodson stripped Rickey Waters from behind near the goal line and Dorsett, I believe, pounced on the ball and slid into the end zone where they called a safety against us. :mad:
 
::sigh::

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I miss the days when our biggest problem on offense was bracing for the inevitable Frank Middleton ass shot...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/11/06/SPG1UM6TE01.DTL


Shell stands by his coach


Raiders' Walsh is still upbeat

- David White, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, November 6, 2006


Offensive coordinator Tom Walsh is in charge when the Raiders have the ball. Off the practice field, you can usually find him smiling and strolling, but it can't possibly be connected to production levels.

Going into Sunday, his overall offense -- or the Al Davis offense, if the boss still wants his name attached to this -- is ranked 32nd in a 32-team league, making it just as bad in the NFL as the team's passing offense.

The Raiders are last in yards per play.

And, rushing yards per carry.

Also, passing yards per net play.

Don't forget interceptions per throw, or giveaways all together.

Or, sacks per pass play.

First downs per game, too.

Plus, for those into scoreboards, the Raiders have produced the fewest offensive points in the NFL.

So, why does Walsh look like the happiest man in Alameda this 2-5 season?

Maybe because his immediate supervisor is thrilled with him.

"Yes, I am," Raiders coach Art Shell said.

Never mind that you have a tough time getting a starter to praise Walsh beyond calling him cool or a nice guy.

Forget that Warren Sapp, the unafraid team leader, half-joked about Walsh "flipping pancakes" the last time a pass to an offensive tackle scored, making Sapp the umpteenth person to drop a bed-and-breakfast reference on the pride of Swan Valley, Idaho, where Walsh ran a B&B during a lengthy break from football.

Lay aside the dumbfounded employees within the hierarchy, one of whom described the Raiders' offense as "an absolute embarrassment" under Walsh. The daily e-mail bag produces ALL-CAPS requests for Walsh to be the NFL's fourth offensive coordinator canned this season.

Walsh can't defend himself. Shell hasn't allowed media access since Walsh sat down with reporters during training camp to discuss Sega games, Ronald Reagan and chicken Marsala.

So, Shell does the standing up for him.

"I like Tom Walsh," Shell said, tersely enunciating every syllable. "Tom Walsh has been with me for a long time. I like what he does. Everybody criticizes the guy, but the guy is a very smart guy. The guy knows exactly what he's doing."

But, Walsh's offense has not scored a touchdown in four out of seven games. Wind and sideways rain tonight in Seattle might make matters even more difficult for his charges.

"There's a whole lot of so-called geniuses in this league, too, and they're not doing as well as a lot of other people think they should," Shell said. "Tom Walsh can coach. I trust him."

That last sentence explains everything.

Walsh and Shell go way back, and Shell is ever the loyalist.

Walsh was Shell's play-caller during his first run as Raiders head coach, all the way up to the day Shell was fired after the 1994 season. They were co-assistants from 1983-89.

Shell decided long ago that if ever got another head coaching job, Walsh would be his right-hand man. Shell made good when the Raiders re-hired him in February, even though Walsh had been out of the NFL for 12 years, serving as mayor in small-town Idaho and running that B&B.

Nothing is going to change Shell's mind at midseason, and Davis is the only person with overriding power. For now, Davis is backing Shell.

"Tom Walsh is tremendously bright," Davis said in August during his most recent interview. "You will find that out over time."

It's taking time, no doubt.

Walsh has worked with second-year quarterback Andrew Walter since Aaron Brooks went down with a bruised pectoral muscle in Week 2.

He didn't have wide receiver Jerry Porter at his disposal until last week, and lost another key receiver, Doug Gabriel, in a late-August trade to New England, where the player has 22 catches for 302 yards and three touchdowns.

The offensive line hasn't pass-protected, running back LaMont Jordan is off the 1,000-yard pace and star attraction Randy Moss is suddenly dropping balls.

So, it's not as if Walsh is dealing with overachievers, but still.

Walsh calls the plays. There's no truth to rumors that tight ends coach John Shoop -- the former Chicago Bears offensive coordinator -- has assumed some play-calling duties, a team source said.

If results don't change soon, it's only a matter of time before players stop speaking in subtle code for "This reeks."

"At times, we're just banging our head against the wall," Walter said. "We need to shake it up, I believe. It's been frustrating and certainly we need to get better.

"I'm a player. I try to play. Certainly, coaches can answer that better than myself, but I know we need to do something different."
 
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It kind of reminds me of when Perot chose that retired Admiral Stockdale as his running mate. "Who am I?" " Where am I "

Shell saying that he's "thrilled" with Walsh doesn't have me feeling too good about Shell either.
 
I don't know, maybe I am reading into Shells' comments, but it doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for Walsh.

I know he is loyal and probably wouldn't can the guy mid-season, but some of those responses just seem hollow to me.

"I like Tom Walsh"

"Everybody criticizes the guy, but the guy is a very smart guy."

"The guy knows exactly what he is doing"


I don't know, no where in there does he come out and say he is doing a good job or is a good coach or that the players are responding well to his system.
 
I don't know, when I see a first time coordinator in KC successfully adapting his playbook around having two OT starters and his starting QB out, it just makes me wonder why we can't do more to put our guys in a position that makes pass pro a little easier and gets the ball out of our young QB's hands quicker...

It makes me wonder the same thing, and I think the answer is Larry Johnson. Walsh's predictable schemes aside, when you have a back of that caliber your line, quarterback, running game, and entire offense can work. L.J. is a monster. This is why we need someone like him in our backfield like...say...a certain back from Oklahoma with a broken clavicle that just might be available when we pick in April...
 
I agree Freakshow and to add to that, look at what having LT in San Diego does for Rivers.
 
I agree on the running back as a pick.

If CJ is on the board however it's gonna be hard for Al to look the other way...maybe he will. I'm worn out trying to guess.
 
Speaking of Petrino, Louisville offense putting on a clinic versus Rutgers. It's a pleasure to watch.
 
Louisville is pretty good. Rutgers is, well, Rutgers.

Get a load of that stadium. Looks like a regect from some high octane high School.
 
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