Wha Happun' ?

[NIPS]

2005 :

Averaged 309 yards per game

86 Rushing

223 passing

Ranked 10th in passing

13th in Recieving

Averaged 18 points per game

We we also ranked 6th in overall sacks given up

14 Interceptions

2006:, Currently

Average 227 yards per game

105 rushing

122 passing

Ranked 32nd last in passing

Ranked 32nd last in receiving

Average 12 points per game

Rank #1 on sacks given up

Already at 12 Interception halfway through

I see ONLY 4 changes from this year to last



1) The exit of Ron Stone
2) Shuffling of the OL
3) From Collins to Brooks/ Walter
4) New OC


#1) Ron Stone was a non factor and an average guard at best

He gets the buzzer for NOT a reason for the collapse

#2) Shuffling of the OL... Re shuffle and put it back to where it was

Sims -LT, Walker - LG, Grove - C, Badger - RG, Gallery at RT

Let Boothe and Walker battle out the LG position

Okay, #2 might not change much, but it has proven last year that it was better than the line this year

#3) Walter... has 9 ints 5 less Int's already than the whole team had last year at 14

Walter average 47% and 9 ints in 6 games

Aaron Brooks 55% and no Ints in 2 starts

Aaron Brooks needs to be the starter.. He can at least pickup positive yards when he runs

#4) Tom Walsh

I believe this OL can improve a little by lining up the guys we had last year.. wont be much.. but it'd be better.. How? Look at our oppenents last year compared to the current teams we played so far

Look at our yards rushing and passing and TD's

It's like night and day.. and that was agaisnt far superior teams than we have had to face this year

So from where the Nips sits

I see 1 of 2 things that are affecting this team offensively

Tom Walsh & Andrew Walter

It's Tom Walsh folks, I would blame Walter.. but he's taking 7 step drops because he's told.. I vote for Brooks only because I think he has a stronger arm and can run

Tom Walsh is the main reason this team is so inept offfensively

I personally think if they retain Walsh next year.. We had better get Marshawn Lynch.. He's the only player in the draft that could make some positive yards based on his physical abilities alone

Calvin Johnson wont.. He might if Brooks starts.. but if its Andrew he will continue to get sacked before he can get the ball delivered as long as Walsh is here

A RB is our only option and hope for positive yards and starting Aaron Brooks and going with the same limeup on the OL as long as Walsh is the OC here..

It's the Raider only hope to improve its offense

 

[Madturk]

It's Tom Walsh folks, I would blame Walter.. but he's taking 7 step drops because he's told.. I vote for Brooks only because I think he has a stronger arm and can run

Tom Walsh is the main reason this team is so inept offfensively

Aside from the ineptitude of the OL, he is the main reason for this abortion of an offense. Every NFL commentator sees it that it's so painfully obvious. I did give him props on the Arizona game as he did have some semblance of a game plan, but otherwise, the play calling has been outright dreadful. The dude should just do a Don Rumsfeld. We are now the laughing stock of the entire NFL and if Shell still supports him, then he should be shown the door too.

 

[Abelardo]

There is one horrible stat that I read in an article, but I can't confirm. It says gallery all by himself has surrendered 9 sacks this season...

 

[NIPS]

There is one horrible stat that I read in an article, but I can't confirm. It says gallery all by himself has surrendered 9 sacks this season...

We have given up 44 sacks

5 guys on the line

9x5= 45

I'd say that Gallery is on par with everyone else

Actually.. given up 9 sacks outta 44 is'nt all thqt bad from the LT position, considering thats where the major of the heat comes from

Now if he gave up 9 outta 25 sacks... yeah.. I'd agree

Right now.. 44 sacks in 8 games is averaging

5.5 sacks a game

Not good

 

[Freakshow]

I believe the adjective most experts are using to describe the Raiders' offensive system is...Prehistoric. That my friends is not what I'd consider a ringing endorsement for the mayor.

I would also add to the Nips list of what's changed from last year is our receiving corps. Whitted simply can't replace Porters production, Currey is being brought along very slowly (too slowly imo) and Moss literally looks like he mailed it in a month ago. He's clearly not what he used to be and his self-serving attitude is about as bad as I've seen. On that note, did any of you actually watch the end of the Seahawks game the other night? I think it was the second to last play of the game and AW threw an out to Moss which was, by anyone's standards, a poor throw (low and behind him). Yes it was mop-up time and meant nothing but Moss did something I've never seen before in professional or college football. Instead of attempting to reach back or get low to catch it, dude actually kicked it - before it hit the ground! Looked like he was trying to show up the qb like, "come on man - is that the best you can do?" That one play sums up what Moss is all about these days and I just want him gone, yesterday.

 

[Abelardo]

Ugly nipps:

Right, but the difference this guy is a number two draft pick overall, and the line is not conformed of only five, It's the original five, Gallery, Mcquistan, Grove, Walker and Sims plus Boothe and Hulsey, though with less playing time. Some of them also have been surrendered by Jordan, Crocket and the tight ends. So nine sacks a person looks like a big piece of shit.

 

[Rupert]

I would also add to the Nips list of what's changed from last year is our receiving corps. Whitted simply can't replace Porters production, Currey is being brought along very slowly (too slowly imo) and Moss literally looks like he mailed it in a month ago. He's clearly not what he used to be and his self-serving attitude is about as bad as I've seen. On that note, did any of you actually watch the end of the Seahawks game the other night? I think it was the second to last play of the game and AW threw an out to Moss which was, by anyone's standards, a poor throw (low and behind him). Yes it was mop-up time and meant nothing but Moss did something I've never seen before in professional or college football. Instead of attempting to reach back or get low to catch it, dude actually kicked it - before it hit the ground! Looked like he was trying to show up the qb like, "come on man - is that the best you can do?" That one play sums up what Moss is all about these days and I just want him gone, yesterday.

Yep, I was appalled by that. Moss isn't worth the steam off my sheeeit.

 

[Seraph24]

my problem with moss at this point is that he is what he used to be. just isnt trying or concentrating right now. even if this is the worst OC he's ever had in his entire life, thats no excuse.

 

[Madturk]

The shitty part is that we gave up a top ten pick for him (Shawne Merriman) and we won't get anything near that in return. I guess hindsight is 20/20 but we really took a beating on this one, not to mention the cap hit we'll probably have to eat.

 

[Freakshow]

Great call Turk - the cap implications do hurt. However, at the time giving up on Nap Harris and swapping Moss for the 7th overall pick didn't seem too bad - in fact most viewed it as another one of Al's better trades. Well, seems to me that neither team is really coming out a winner - Harris is a dime-a-dozen backer and Troy Williamson (whom they selected with the Raider pick) hasn't done Jack yet. The killer, as you pointed out, is that we could have taken Merriman or even DeMarcus Ware but who knows if we would have or not. Davis could have just as easily pulled the trigger on guys like Antrell Rolle, Carlos Rogers, or Big Mike Williams and none of those guys are anything to write home about either.

 

[007]

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=6761&Submit=Go

Its actually 9.5 sacks.

I havent seen a LT worse than that in the league and have checked them all.

Only thing close was Mckinnie giving up 16 as a rookie LT. Gallery isnt a rookie and is officially the worst LT in the league stats wise.

It hurts me to say it, because all the vets know how much I liked him coming out, and I loved that pick.

Gallery=BUST.

**Thats stats site rocks, btw.**

 

[Seraph24]

The shitty part is that we gave up a top ten pick for him (Shawne Merriman) and we won't get anything near that in return. I guess hindsight is 20/20 but we really took a beating on this one, not to mention the cap hit we'll probably have to eat.

i dont kick myself over lost picks. especially when the guy in question is a roid freak and our defense is pretty solid right now. For all we know it might have changed our pick with morrison. And honestly i'd rather morrison in the middle than merrimen on the outside. great natural MLB's are alot harder to come by. I do kick myself over Walsh accepting the OC job. Why couldnt that have not happened?

 

[007]

I always hated the 'should have drafted Merriman' debate.

We traded UP for Washington at CB.

All signs point to us drafting Antrel Rolle/Carlos Rogers/Pac Man if we stay.

I don't think Merriman would have been the target, and IMO we ended up with the better CB anyways. (PLus Moss/Morrison/Routt/ and Walter)

In the end, that just may be the best draft we've had in 10 years...

 

[Stanny]

I'm not saying Robert Gallery isn't playing poor, but at times the guy has looked very good. His whole deal is mechanics right now. His footwork is the craps. He is off balance, gets stood up by doing so or lunges...big no no for a tackle. His run blocking has been pretty solid and the guy gives you 110% and is always running down field. I'm not ready to put the fork in him quite yet. His rookie season he didn't play too bad but again it was at a different position at RG. We all know he then went RT and now LT but look at the big picture here. Kid plays RG with one blocking scheme, then goes RT and gets coached under a new coaching scheme, now you move him to LT and ding ding ding....another new coaching scheme by the great Jackie Slater, Irv and Art. Most of his sacks have come from a blitz package or a coverage sack. He has lost a few one on one battles but I think he's been our best lineman outside of Kevin Boothe who is the real deal.

Jake Grove is terrible. Kid isn't strong enough and gets manhandled every game. He just doesn't have the strength and typically your center is your smallest guy but needs to be quick and strong. He shows me nothing.

Sims, looks confused as all hell. He's stated in many articles that he reverts to his left tackle assignments and techniques through out the games and that has hurt him. Lets face it, it's time for him to go. He should not be starting. He gets pushed around, has a slow first step and at most would be a solid backup for depth. If our center and LT spot was strong, he could hide but it's not and he sticks out like a sore thumb.

Boothe is the real deal. He is not playing like a rookie and has great feet and good hands.

Langston Walker as I've stated many times needs to stick to blocking field goals.

So what's different from last year outside of Ron Stone and Norv Turner? It's simple....we are asking our offensive line to sustain blocks for 4 plus seconds. This is the NFL gents, there is not a line in the NFL you could assemble that on a continuous basis could block for 4 plus seconds. It just doesn't happen. Sure ever few plays you're going to get that protection but to block for that long every play, just wont happen. The other thing I see, our players are not "physically strong." Have you seen anyone lay a good pancake? Have you seen any of our guys pick someone up and slam them? I remember Henry Lawrence, the Wiz and even Mr. Bipolar just crush people. This simply isn't happening.


Walsh, Walsh, Walsh.....The guy spreads his receivers out once in a blue moon. He has the WR's running an average route distance of 15 yards as I went back through the games. Thats great because its a first down if completed, but the problem is on average the shortest route is about 9-11 yards. Every now and then he mixes in a 7-8 yard curl. I will also tell you this, the same routes are being ran by the same receivers, we never mix it up. A good DB will figure that out by the 2nd quarter. Bunch formations are a joke as he runs multiple WRs to the same spot. No quick slants, no hitch and goes, no RB's in patterns, screens are awful, no real or fake reverse, no WR screens....everything is a skinny post, fly route our a deep out. Pretty pathetic...took the guy 7 games to roll his QB out and he did that once. Put the shotgun formation in, didn't change none of the routes. This guy simply has to go plain and simple.

AWAL makes some bad decisions and forces the ball. But I don't blame him. Walsh doesn't put him in a position to succeed. He has no outlets, takes deep drops and the list goes on. Never lets him go through a series with short safe passes, can't run a screen to save their lives and runs the same plays over and over again.

How many times through out the game do you the fan call the play out before the snap? I'm about 90% correct of the time and I am sure you are too. Why is that? Because it's predictable and they run the same ROUTES time and time again. It's pathetic, no imagination and its just as they advertised " Basic Football." We'll run, try smashmouth and take out shots deep. Well they can't block to do neither so what's the adjustment? Nothing, sooner or later they figure to get it right....7 games in, they have gotten worse because defenses have adjusted, realize how vanilla it is, that they change none of their routes and run left then run right. Well as a defensive coordinator, I'm sending the house, going to play me db's 6-7 yards off the WR and eventually get to the WR's spot before him because I've realized they haven't changed their routes.

 

[Madturk]

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I don't think Merriman would have been the target, and IMO we ended up with the better CB anyways. (PLus Moss/Morrison/Routt/ and Walter)

In the end, that just may be the best draft we've had in 10 years...

No doubt that could turn out to be one of our better drafts but it just burns me that we're basically going to wind up with nothing for Moss.

 

[Banter]

Somebody mentioned McKinnie. That guy gave up a lot of sacks protecting Culpepper when Moss was the main target. It really helped his career last year when the new coordinator shortened some of the passing routes and then even more when Brad Johnson replaced Culpepper. I think there is a lesson in there for Tom Walsh.

 

[BigTron]

Somebody mentioned McKinnie. That guy gave up a lot of sacks protecting Culpepper when Moss was the main target. It really helped his career last year when the new coordinator shortened some of the passing routes and then even more when Brad Johnson replaced Culpepper. I think there is a lesson in there for Tom Walsh.

Yeah thats a good point. The fact is he gave up 16 sacks in his first year as an NFL Left Tackle. This is also Gallery's first year at left tackle. Sadly for my point his is on pace to break that. But at least it shows you can struggle, then late rturn it around.

 

[Abelardo]

I was thinking about that analogy with a plant developement. Even if the seed is excelent, if it isn't in proper ground and it is not watered periodically -among other things-, you won't get nothing.

The Raiders under the current kinda management have drafted many potentially great players, but for some reason they don't become not even adequate starters. Well the reason may be they just don't develope players very good because the environment is bad, and the process simply doesn't teach the boys how to be a legitimate NFL player.

 

[RaiderIVlife]

I was thinking about that analogy with a plant developement. Even if the seed is excelent, if it isn't in proper ground and it is not watered periodically -among other things-, you won't get nothing.

The Raiders under the current kinda management have drafted many potentially great players, but for some reason they don't become not even adequate starters. Well the reason may be they just don't develope players very good because the environment is bad, and the process simply doesn't teach the boys how to be a legitimate NFL player.

You knoe that me of all people love any discussion based on "seeds", "plants", and "growth". Bwahahahahaha

I dunno' I'm not as down on Walsh as most people, though I won't shed a tear if he's liquidated tomorrow, but people are giving this offensive line too much of a pass. When guys are getting beat IMMEDIATELY at the snap, that is still an issue "irregardless" of scheme (bwahahaha) IMO. Jake Grove & Robert Gallery may yet turn into solid starters, but they look like dog shit at present. I understand all the arguements about "Walsh isn't helping them", but if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig at the end of the day.

These guys are busts until proven otherwise.

 

[Limee]

We lost Jimmy Raye, what did you think was going to happen?

The other thing I see, our players are not "physically strong." Have you seen anyone lay a good pancake? Have you seen any of our guys pick someone up and slam them? I remember Henry Lawrence, the Wiz and even Mr. Bipolar just crush people. This simply isn't happening.

Interesting point about the strength factor, I had not really given that much thought.

Well the reason may be they just don't develope players very good because the environment is bad, and the process simply doesn't teach the boys how to be a legitimate NFL player.

It seems that the defensive players who for the most part have had one system to learn seem to have developed quicker/better. There is no doubt that Gallery has been messed about with position and scheme changes. We also shifted Brayton and Asomugha about in their early years.

These guys are busts until proven otherwise.

I have to agree, neither has developed into the sort of player we thought we were getting.