Welcome to the team ... Tyree Wilson 🧐

[phxraida15]

So this clown misses practice with an illness?

Dogshit

 

[Raidermania12]

So this clown misses practice with an illness?

Dogshit

You try practicing with an STD. Y’all are so bad at empathy.

Seriously people get sick. That’s not his main issue. His main issue is either isn’t very good, isn’t being coached very well, or a bit of both.

 

[godeep811]

JPAFootball


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Sep 19
𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Patriots rookie cornerback Christian Gonzalez was rated by @PFF as the 3rd best cornerback in the ENTIRE #NFL through 2 games this season..Gonzalez has held his own in matchups against Tyreek Hill, Devonta Smith and AJ Brown so far this season.

 

[RF34]

FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!

 

[Raidermania12]

FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!

Wait until the chargers sign Harbaugh….

Raider Outlaw may lose it.

 

[Crow]

Wait until the chargers sign Harbaugh….

Raider Outlaw may lose it.

I won't even be able to even.

 

[Raidermania12]

Don’t worry Crow, we got our guy, and as he promised, he got us Brady, just not as a QB. But the future is bright. Our draft skills are unmatched.

I won't even be able to even.

 

[Crow]

 

[RF34]

With Chandler Jones sidelined, Raiders rookie Tyree Wilson has a big opportunity​

By Tashan Reed
2h ago

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HENDERSON, Nev. — The Las Vegas Raiders drafted Tyree Wilson with the seventh pick in April with an eye on the future. They hoped the defensive end would contribute in Year 1, of course, but the vision was for him to spend 2023 learning behind veterans Maxx Crosby and Chandler Jones before stepping into a larger role in the seasons to come.

There were players available at other positions who would’ve had clearer paths to starting right away, but the Raiders believed enough in Wilson’s long-term outlook to take him anyway. It sounds strange to say about someone taken so highly, but the Raiders would have been fine with Wilson not starting a single game as a rookie.

But Jones has missed the first two games of the season for personal reasons and was placed Wednesday on the non-football illness list. That has disrupted the Raiders’ plan for Wilson. It’s unclear how long Jones will be out — he’ll now be sidelined for at least the next four games — and that will inevitably accelerate the timeline for the 23-year-old Wilson. Suddenly, he has gone from a luxury pick to someone the Raiders need to step up quickly.

The Raiders defensive line needs another impact player to emerge besides Crosby. Against the run, it is 27th in total yards allowed and 26th in yards allowed per carry. Against the pass, Las Vegas has only four sacks (T-19th), six quarterback hits (T-29th) and is last in pressure rate, according to TruMedia. The lack of disruption in the run game is putting too much pressure on the linebackers, and the weak pass rush has made life hard for the secondary.

Not surprisingly, that combination of factors has the Raiders 25th in the NFL in scoring defense. The Raiders (1-1) will host the worst scoring offense in the league Sunday in the Pittsburgh Steelers (1-1), but that doesn’t change the fact that they need more from their defensive front.

Crosby has been his usual self, but the defensive tackles have essentially been non-factors, and the Raiders have yet to find an answer at the other defensive end spot with Jones out. Jerry Tillery started in Week 1 and Malcolm Koonce started in Week 2, but neither had much success. A breakthrough for Wilson wouldn’t solve everything, but it’d make a significant difference.

It has been a slow start to the season for Wilson, who missed practice Wednesday and Thursday due to an illness. While he came off the bench in both games, he has still played 49 percent of the defensive snaps. In that time, he has struggled to stand out, particularly as a pass rusher.

In 43 snaps as a pass rusher, Wilson has no sacks, no quarterback hits and just one quarterback hurry. Statistics don’t always tell the whole story, but they do in this case. Wilson’s pressure rate is just 2.7 percent, which ranks 99th out of 103 players with at least 40 snaps as a pass rusher. However you look at it, Wilson has been ineffective as a pass rusher.

Wilson has been better against the run. His size, length and power have helped him do a decent job of setting the edge and to avoid getting moved off his spot on runs up the middle. He has just three tackles, but given he’s played only 22 snaps as a run defender, it feels unfair to expect him to have much production there. He hasn’t been a true difference-maker as a run defender, but he hasn’t been a liability, either.

The most glaring issue for Wilson has been how slow he is getting off the ball. According to ESPN’s Next Gen Stats, his average time to get off the line of scrimmage of 1.01 seconds is the fourth-slowest in the league among edge rushers who’ve played at least 50 snaps. For context, Myles Garrett leads those edge rushers with an average get-off time of 0.61 seconds, and the average time is 0.84 seconds.

Wilson improving his get-off from the line of scrimmage will be key, but consistently winning at a higher rate will take more than that. He said Sunday that the biggest adjustment he’s had to make is to the level of technique NFL offensive linemen possess.

“We’re playing the best of the best,” Wilson said, “so technique causes you to get the advantage or disadvantage.”
Wilson can’t win with sheer physical talent as often as he did in college. He has to make strides with his pass-rush moves, hand usage, body positioning and other factors that contribute to the art of getting after quarterbacks.

Wilson’s blend of size, strength, speed and athleticism offers a lot of upside, but he’s someone who needs time to grow into his potential. That responsibility rests with the coaching staff as much as it does with Wilson.

The issue coming into this season, however, is the Raiders were hamstrung in what they could do to get Wilson up to speed. He suffered a season-ending foot injury in November at Texas Tech and had surgery. The recovery process caused him to miss the entirety of OTAs and most of training camp. He was still working out and attending meetings during that time, but there was no way to fully replicate the physical learning that comes with practices and preseason games. There’s no denying that it hurt his development, and the Raiders expected growing pains.

“There’s going to be that learning curve,” general manager Dave Ziegler said. “He’s long. He’s explosive. He’s fast. Now, he just needs to learn how to play from a technique standpoint at the NFL level and understand he’s still learning the scheme and what the calls mean. There’s a hurdle that he went over to get on the field, and now there’s one, two, three, four more hurdles in terms of learning how to play the run, learning how to play certain pass defenses, the line game stunts, twists, all that stuff. So, he’s got a lot to do.”

As a result, Wilson has been playing catch-up. His current level of play isn’t all that surprising considering he has just over a month of contact work under his belt.


Wilson’s circumstances would be tough for anyone, let alone a rookie, to navigate. It’s understandable that the process would take time to figure out. Jones’ absence results in a sense of urgency for Wilson to step up, but there’s a level of patience that must be maintained.

“He’s working hard and trying to capitalize on his opportunities,” defensive coordinator Patrick Graham said Tuesday. “I’m sure they’ll increase as the season goes on.”

All offseason, Ziegler repeated the mantra of building homegrown talent. A big reason he and coach Josh McDaniels have their jobs now is the previous regime’s propensity to squander first-round picks. The draft capital spent on busts like Clelin Ferrell, Johnathan Abram, Henry Ruggs III, Damon Arnette and Alex Leatherwood has left the Raiders roster without much young, ascending talent.

Ziegler and McDaniels didn’t make a first or second-round pick in their first year because they traded them for receiver Davante Adams, so Wilson was their first big swing at correcting that trend. It has come sooner than everyone expected, but Wilson has the opportunity to start showing he was the right player to pursue.

“I’m just trying to learn as fast as I can,” Wilson said. “I learn from the best — Maxx — and I tell him to stay in my ear and ask him what he sees. And I listen to the coaches. I’m just trying to keep building as I go.”

 

[Bunyan]

With Chandler Jones sidelined, Raiders rookie Tyree Wilson has a big opportunity​

By Tashan Reed
2h ago

---

HENDERSON, Nev. — The Las Vegas Raiders drafted Tyree Wilson with the seventh pick in April with an eye on the future. They hoped the defensive end would contribute in Year 1, of course, but the vision was for him to spend 2023 learning behind veterans Maxx Crosby and Chandler Jones before stepping into a larger role in the seasons to come.

There were players available at other positions who would’ve had clearer paths to starting right away, but the Raiders believed enough in Wilson’s long-term outlook to take him anyway. It sounds strange to say about someone taken so highly, but the Raiders would have been fine with Wilson not starting a single game as a rookie.

But Jones has missed the first two games of the season for personal reasons and was placed Wednesday on the non-football illness list. That has disrupted the Raiders’ plan for Wilson. It’s unclear how long Jones will be out — he’ll now be sidelined for at least the next four games — and that will inevitably accelerate the timeline for the 23-year-old Wilson. Suddenly, he has gone from a luxury pick to someone the Raiders need to step up quickly.

The Raiders defensive line needs another impact player to emerge besides Crosby. Against the run, it is 27th in total yards allowed and 26th in yards allowed per carry. Against the pass, Las Vegas has only four sacks (T-19th), six quarterback hits (T-29th) and is last in pressure rate, according to TruMedia. The lack of disruption in the run game is putting too much pressure on the linebackers, and the weak pass rush has made life hard for the secondary.

Not surprisingly, that combination of factors has the Raiders 25th in the NFL in scoring defense. The Raiders (1-1) will host the worst scoring offense in the league Sunday in the Pittsburgh Steelers (1-1), but that doesn’t change the fact that they need more from their defensive front.

Crosby has been his usual self, but the defensive tackles have essentially been non-factors, and the Raiders have yet to find an answer at the other defensive end spot with Jones out. Jerry Tillery started in Week 1 and Malcolm Koonce started in Week 2, but neither had much success. A breakthrough for Wilson wouldn’t solve everything, but it’d make a significant difference.

It has been a slow start to the season for Wilson, who missed practice Wednesday and Thursday due to an illness. While he came off the bench in both games, he has still played 49 percent of the defensive snaps. In that time, he has struggled to stand out, particularly as a pass rusher.

In 43 snaps as a pass rusher, Wilson has no sacks, no quarterback hits and just one quarterback hurry. Statistics don’t always tell the whole story, but they do in this case. Wilson’s pressure rate is just 2.7 percent, which ranks 99th out of 103 players with at least 40 snaps as a pass rusher. However you look at it, Wilson has been ineffective as a pass rusher.

Wilson has been better against the run. His size, length and power have helped him do a decent job of setting the edge and to avoid getting moved off his spot on runs up the middle. He has just three tackles, but given he’s played only 22 snaps as a run defender, it feels unfair to expect him to have much production there. He hasn’t been a true difference-maker as a run defender, but he hasn’t been a liability, either.

The most glaring issue for Wilson has been how slow he is getting off the ball. According to ESPN’s Next Gen Stats, his average time to get off the line of scrimmage of 1.01 seconds is the fourth-slowest in the league among edge rushers who’ve played at least 50 snaps. For context, Myles Garrett leads those edge rushers with an average get-off time of 0.61 seconds, and the average time is 0.84 seconds.

Wilson improving his get-off from the line of scrimmage will be key, but consistently winning at a higher rate will take more than that. He said Sunday that the biggest adjustment he’s had to make is to the level of technique NFL offensive linemen possess.

“We’re playing the best of the best,” Wilson said, “so technique causes you to get the advantage or disadvantage.”
Wilson can’t win with sheer physical talent as often as he did in college. He has to make strides with his pass-rush moves, hand usage, body positioning and other factors that contribute to the art of getting after quarterbacks.

Wilson’s blend of size, strength, speed and athleticism offers a lot of upside, but he’s someone who needs time to grow into his potential. That responsibility rests with the coaching staff as much as it does with Wilson.

The issue coming into this season, however, is the Raiders were hamstrung in what they could do to get Wilson up to speed. He suffered a season-ending foot injury in November at Texas Tech and had surgery. The recovery process caused him to miss the entirety of OTAs and most of training camp. He was still working out and attending meetings during that time, but there was no way to fully replicate the physical learning that comes with practices and preseason games. There’s no denying that it hurt his development, and the Raiders expected growing pains.

“There’s going to be that learning curve,” general manager Dave Ziegler said. “He’s long. He’s explosive. He’s fast. Now, he just needs to learn how to play from a technique standpoint at the NFL level and understand he’s still learning the scheme and what the calls mean. There’s a hurdle that he went over to get on the field, and now there’s one, two, three, four more hurdles in terms of learning how to play the run, learning how to play certain pass defenses, the line game stunts, twists, all that stuff. So, he’s got a lot to do.”

As a result, Wilson has been playing catch-up. His current level of play isn’t all that surprising considering he has just over a month of contact work under his belt.


Wilson’s circumstances would be tough for anyone, let alone a rookie, to navigate. It’s understandable that the process would take time to figure out. Jones’ absence results in a sense of urgency for Wilson to step up, but there’s a level of patience that must be maintained.

“He’s working hard and trying to capitalize on his opportunities,” defensive coordinator Patrick Graham said Tuesday. “I’m sure they’ll increase as the season goes on.”

All offseason, Ziegler repeated the mantra of building homegrown talent. A big reason he and coach Josh McDaniels have their jobs now is the previous regime’s propensity to squander first-round picks. The draft capital spent on busts like Clelin Ferrell, Johnathan Abram, Henry Ruggs III, Damon Arnette and Alex Leatherwood has left the Raiders roster without much young, ascending talent.

Ziegler and McDaniels didn’t make a first or second-round pick in their first year because they traded them for receiver Davante Adams, so Wilson was their first big swing at correcting that trend. It has come sooner than everyone expected, but Wilson has the opportunity to start showing he was the right player to pursue.

“I’m just trying to learn as fast as I can,” Wilson said. “I learn from the best — Maxx — and I tell him to stay in my ear and ask him what he sees. And I listen to the coaches. I’m just trying to keep building as I go.”

Excuses, excuses, excuses. He's a D lineman. Not a QB or O Lineman that has to know 1,000 different calls.
Zeigler says, he needs to learn the scheme.

The scheme? I'll tell you the scheme. Put the QB on his ass and tackle the guy with the ball.
He's not even an average DE. He's playing well below average.

I understand about him having to learn technique and pass rush moves other than the bull rush.
But this is a #7 draft pick. Not a 2nd round pick or later round project.

Regardless of him missing off season work outs, etc.
He should be performing at a much higher level than we are witnessing.

 

[DonkeyKilla]

If they were ok if Wilson didn't play at all this year, meaning no impact from our top draft pick, why sign Jimmy G?
They contradict themselves. You are either in win mode or not. They are going to just middledick our rebuild and get nowhere. Dipshits.

 

[Bunyan]

If they were ok if Wilson didn't play at all this year, meaning no impact from our top draft pick, why sign Jimmy G?
They contradict themselves. You are either in win mode or not. They are going to just middledick our rebuild and get nowhere. Dipshits.

Looks like they decided:
We are in rebuild mode, but at the same time we need to win at least 7 games to show improvement over last season.

 

[PDX Raider]

I'm willing to give him a pass b/c he was out of football for a year. He's probably not 100% healed either. I think he needs fewer snaps early on. Problem is no one behind him.

 

[Chris_77]

If they were ok if Wilson didn't play at all this year, meaning no impact from our top draft pick, why sign Jimmy G?
They contradict themselves. You are either in win mode or not. They are going to just middledick our rebuild and get nowhere. Dipshits.

I guess the assumption there is that Chander would be a contributor instead of going looney.

 

[Bunyan]

I'm willing to give him a pass b/c he was out of football for a year. He's probably not 100% healed either. I think he needs fewer snaps early on. Problem is no one behind him.

I disagree he's not 100%. If that was the case they wouldn't have him playing at all. Remember they were saying all along that they would bring him along slowly until he's 100% ready to go. Play Koonce full time.
I'm hoping the light goes on with him soon. So far he's terrible.

 

[DonkeyKilla]

I guess the assumption there is that Chander would be a contributor instead of going looney.

He sucked last year though a year older Chando wasn't going to be an improvement, coming off another injury too.
I think they are full of shit. They drafted Wilson thinking the foot would be ok in time for camp (remember that goal post moving?) and thought he would have more impact than he has IMO and are now saying they never expected him to contribute this year.

 

[Chris_77]

He sucked last year though a year older Chando wasn't going to be an improvement, coming off another injury too.
I think they are full of shit. They drafted Wilson thinking the foot would be ok in time for camp (remember that goal post moving?) and thought he would have more impact than he has IMO and are now saying they never expected him to contribute this year.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that I assume that was the thought process for taking a contribute later guy.

Camp or no camp, I see a guy that needs at least a year in the weight room to maximize what he theoretically brings to the table. I'm not making excuses for JMD or Ziegler either, but it's a pretty fine line to walk between showing guys like Maxx, Adams, etc (Mark Davis). that we intend on competing while executing the proper rebuild that this roster needed. The idea is defensible, the implementation is not.

 

[PDX Raider]

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that I assume that was the thought process for taking a contribute later guy.

Camp or no camp, I see a guy that needs at least a year in the weight room to maximize what he theoretically brings to the table. I'm not making excuses for JMD or Ziegler either, but it's a pretty fine line to walk between showing guys like Maxx, Adams, etc (Mark Davis). that we intend on competing while executing the proper rebuild that this roster needed. The idea is defensible, the implementation is not.

They went "all in" last year with Adams and Jones, and this year took a measured approach but one that still deserved criticism. Some of the moves are just running in place- replacing the entire DT rotation hasn't panned out so far. Not upgrading the interior of the line has been a problem. And taking guys like Meyer who's been MIA and a gadget WR with other glaring needs is just dumb.

They're under pressure to show they can build a team, and I listened to McDaniels press conference from Wed and it's obvious he knows they have to show some player development.

 

[MOE'S JILTED LOVER 818]

It sounds strange to say about someone taken so highly, but the Raiders would have been fine with Wilson not starting a single game as a rookie.

Even if he didn't start he was expected to contribute at some point and not look like a scrub bust. Looks terrible so far, but it's still early.

But Jones has missed the first two games of the season for personal reasons and was placed Wednesday on the non-football illness list. That has disrupted the Raiders’ plan for Wilson. It’s unclear how long Jones will be out — he’ll now be sidelined for at least the next four games — and that will inevitably accelerate the timeline for the 23-year-old Wilson. Suddenly, he has gone from a luxury pick to someone the Raiders need to step up quickly.

Even if Jones hadn't gone nutzo, this defense couldn't afford a luxury pick.

 

[DonkeyKilla]

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that I assume that was the thought process for taking a contribute later guy.

Camp or no camp, I see a guy that needs at least a year in the weight room to maximize what he theoretically brings to the table. I'm not making excuses for JMD or Ziegler either, but it's a pretty fine line to walk between showing guys like Maxx, Adams, etc (Mark Davis). that we intend on competing while executing the proper rebuild that this roster needed. The idea is defensible, the implementation is not.

Fair. Still frustrating. I want one or the other.