Welcome to the team: new, now old GM Tom Telesco, who has been fired

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Damn rivers is a higher bar than my slut QB wanting ass. He spent a decade or two as a pretty easy top 5-10 guy at his position. (And I hate him and hope he dies)

I was thinking a Kyler or Hurts level but would have to think more on it.

I used Rivers because I’m usually a bigger fan of him as a player than most. It was more the baseline for how I usually see others viewing him. Hurts is probably just north of the line and Kyler just south. But that’s after they’re on a second contract. Hard to complain about either of them on a rookie deal.
 
Cardinals went from Rosen at #7 to Murray at #1 the next year.

In the new draft/cap environment, drafting the wrong QB is far less damaging than signing the wrong QB.
I'm traumatized after Mark propped up Derek as the face of the franchise for almost a decade.

The clock is ticking, and I probably need mental health counseling.
 
Agreed. Gruden had a similar quality to him but he also could be fucking annoying. I haven't seen the annoying parts from Pierce yet. I think Pierce will do well with recruiting potential free agents and with connecting with incoming rookies.
Here we are almost a year later and Pierce's personality from last year just seems like it's been invisible from last year. Can't say I've seen any emotion from the dude all year.
 
Here we are almost a year later and Pierce's personality from last year just seems like it's been invisible from last year. Can't say I've seen any emotion from the dude all year.


Here's what I think, as someone who has no idea (or at least someone who doesn't pretend to know) on what an NFL head coach deals with when planning the next season.

From what I understand, all the logistics that goes into a whole season is done prior to the preseason. Travel, hotels, practices, etc... McShithead had put together the schedule for 2023. AP had to do all that shit for 2024 in addition to drawing up new cheers for each game. When he got the interim tag last season, all he had to think about is winning the next game. This season he has to think about all the other shit as well as the weekly BS of a losing team. It also seems to me that none of these former HC's are doing any good either. I think he's a good LB coach (at least means well) who is in over his head and probably realizes it, hence the lack of swagger. I'd be surprised if he's back next season.
 
Here's what I think, as someone who has no idea (or at least someone who doesn't pretend to know) on what an NFL head coach deals with when planning the next season.

From what I understand, all the logistics that goes into a whole season is done prior to the preseason. Travel, hotels, practices, etc... McShithead had put together the schedule for 2023. AP had to do all that shit for 2024 in addition to drawing up new cheers for each game. When he got the interim tag last season, all he had to think about is winning the next game. This season he has to think about all the other shit as well as the weekly BS of a losing team. It also seems to me that none of these former HC's are doing any good either. I think he's a good LB coach (at least means well) who is in over his head and probably realizes it, hence the lack of swagger. I'd be surprised if he's back next season.

No doubt the learning curve for AP as full-time HC. Odds are he is over his head -- made all the more likely by the team losing in ever more creative ways.

AP understands D. And when one unit or player has problems, they get fixed.

It is clear he has a metric fuckton to learn about O. His approach to understanding it is using D-based concepts. He talks about the O-line issues as communications and hand placement, and talks about as assignments as "a hat on a hat." And he sat in a lot of O meetings the first five-seven weeks.

One thing that he has done as HC is not trivial -- this team has not turned on itself. It's utterly plain the O problems were Miscue, Gestsy and his peeps. The D only talks about what they didn't do. The O owns its own miserable performance. This started last season when they lost 0-3 to the Vikings.

My guess is there is a season end meeting with Mark, Telescope, St. Tom, and AP. What did he do well, what did he not do well, what did he learn, what does he think/identify/want/plan to do to address the many weaknesses.

If a hot OC HC candidate appears and can be hired, fine. But take into consideration what that means for the D. If that HC pulls a dumb move and hires a Tampa 2 coverage scheme with a 3-4 front, I'd stick with AP and have St. Tom and Telescope search for and sign the OC.
 
No doubt the learning curve for AP as full-time HC. Odds are he is over his head -- made all the more likely by the team losing in ever more creative ways.

AP understands D. And when one unit or player has problems, they get fixed.

It is clear he has a metric fuckton to learn about O. His approach to understanding it is using D-based concepts. He talks about the O-line issues as communications and hand placement, and talks about as assignments as "a hat on a hat." And he sat in a lot of O meetings the first five-seven weeks.

One thing that he has done as HC is not trivial -- this team has not turned on itself. It's utterly plain the O problems were Miscue, Gestsy and his peeps. The D only talks about what they didn't do. The O owns its own miserable performance. This started last season when they lost 0-3 to the Vikings.

My guess is there is a season end meeting with Mark, Telescope, St. Tom, and AP. What did he do well, what did he not do well, what did he learn, what does he think/identify/want/plan to do to address the many weaknesses.

If a hot OC HC candidate appears and can be hired, fine. But take into consideration what that means for the D. If that HC pulls a dumb move and hires a Tampa 2 coverage scheme with a 3-4 front, I'd stick with AP and have St. Tom and Telescope search for and sign the OC.

I think it's a simple issue: can you get a HC who is better on the offensive side of the ball? At a minimum, AP has to be ready to say who his OC will be or Turner has to show something in the last 7 weeks. And it doesn't bode well for AP to say things like: we should have run more. You're the fucking HC- either let the coordinator do his job or tell him to do it differently. If AP can't present a concrete plan for the offense, he should be fired. It's really that simple. As for the D- that side of the ball gets a pass. The offense puts them in a hole and they've lost starters. But you don't keep AP because of what the next HC might do on that side of the ball.
 
I think it's a simple issue: can you get a HC who is better on the offensive side of the ball? At a minimum, AP has to be ready to say who his OC will be or Turner has to show something in the last 7 weeks. And it doesn't bode well for AP to say things like: we should have run more. You're the fucking HC- either let the coordinator do his job or tell him to do it differently. If AP can't present a concrete plan for the offense, he should be fired. It's really that simple. As for the D- that side of the ball gets a pass. The offense puts them in a hole and they've lost starters. But you don't keep AP because of what the next HC might do on that side of the ball.
Business decisions to be made.
 
If that HC pulls a dumb move and hires a Tampa 2 coverage scheme with a 3-4 front, I'd stick with AP and have St. Tom and Telescope search for and sign the OC.

Isn't this the type of thing that would get sorted out during the HC interviews? I don't get this notion people seen to have that the different aspects of football operations operate in silos. If the key players aren't sitting down together and plotting this stuff out as a cohesive plan, well... it would explain a lot I guess. There has to be synergy between the front office and coaching staff though or it's doomed to fail.
 
Isn't this the type of thing that would get sorted out during the HC interviews? I don't get this notion people seen to have that the different aspects of football operations operate in silos. If the key players aren't sitting down together and plotting this stuff out as a cohesive plan, well... it would explain a lot I guess. There has to be synergy between the front office and coaching staff though or it's doomed to fail.
That's why some teams stay good and others fail. Philly's coach was this close to getting canned last year. They kept him, hired Fangio, hit on their first two draft picks and fixed their secondary and here they are. Good organizations know how to fix shit. Balt/Pitt- they draft big nasty o-lines and d-lines. That's who they are. Makes the draft easier if you know what to look for. What exactly were Gruden and Mayock looking for with Ferrell? Arnette? Leatherwood? They just wanted to be smarter than everyone else.

This team has no vision, no long term strategy, nothing, and instead pinballs from one failed regime to another.
 
That's why some teams stay good and others fail. Philly's coach was this close to getting canned last year. They kept him, hired Fangio, hit on their first two draft picks and fixed their secondary and here they are. Good organizations know how to fix shit. Balt/Pitt- they draft big nasty o-lines and d-lines. That's who they are. Makes the draft easier if you know what to look for. What exactly were Gruden and Mayock looking for with Ferrell? Arnette? Leatherwood? They just wanted to be smarter than everyone else.

This team has no vision, no long term strategy, nothing, and instead pinballs from one failed regime to another.
Pretty much nailed it bro.
 
That's why some teams stay good and others fail. Philly's coach was this close to getting canned last year. They kept him, hired Fangio, hit on their first two draft picks and fixed their secondary and here they are. Good organizations know how to fix shit. Balt/Pitt- they draft big nasty o-lines and d-lines. That's who they are. Makes the draft easier if you know what to look for. What exactly were Gruden and Mayock looking for with Ferrell? Arnette? Leatherwood? They just wanted to be smarter than everyone else.

This team has no vision, no long term strategy, nothing, and instead pinballs from one failed regime to another.


We used to have this, and everybody hated it, lol. Everybody wanted these try hard overachiever players instead of the most athletic and fastest players. I think the best teams just get good players and the coaching staff coaches them up. I don't think there's a science to it. Baltimore had John Simpson playing a prominent role in their line last year, and he was this close to getting his own fuck you thread when we had him. He left and went to the Jets and has been part of almost getting Rodgers killed on the field. I think this all went awry when we lost our identity as a franchise with the Shanahan hire 35 years ago, and it's only gotten exacerbated by whatever the fuck Mark is doing.
 
Here we are almost a year later and Pierce's personality from last year just seems like it's been invisible from last year. Can't say I've seen any emotion from the dude all year.


Kind of hard to show when you're losing every week.
 
Isn't this the type of thing that would get sorted out during the HC interviews? I don't get this notion people seen to have that the different aspects of football operations operate in silos. If the key players aren't sitting down together and plotting this stuff out as a cohesive plan, well... it would explain a lot I guess. There has to be synergy between the front office and coaching staff though or it's doomed to fail.


I think because we've sat through DA coming in and bringing in Knapp who even casual fans knew ran a totally different system from Hue and Al Saunders or the shit show on the defensive side of the ball through all regimes, maybe it doesn't come up in a Mark Davis interview.
 
That's why some teams stay good and others fail. Philly's coach was this close to getting canned last year. They kept him, hired Fangio, hit on their first two draft picks and fixed their secondary and here they are. Good organizations know how to fix shit. Balt/Pitt- they draft big nasty o-lines and d-lines. That's who they are. Makes the draft easier if you know what to look for. What exactly were Gruden and Mayock looking for with Ferrell? Arnette? Leatherwood? They just wanted to be smarter than everyone else.

This team has no vision, no long term strategy, nothing, and instead pinballs from one failed regime to another.

For sure, I was just commenting more from a "wouldn't a normal organization do this" perspective. I can't see a GM signing off on the hiring of a HC whose plans didn't align with his vision for the team. If a HC brought up switching to a scheme that clearly didn't fit with the personnel, and assuming the existing personnel was worth keeping, you don't let that guy through the front door IMO. Turn over the entire roster so I can implement my scheme isn't a compelling sales pitch. This is where I question Telesco's skillset going forward.
 
I think it's a simple issue: can you get a HC who is better on the offensive side of the ball? At a minimum, AP has to be ready to say who his OC will be or Turner has to show something in the last 7 weeks. And it doesn't bode well for AP to say things like: we should have run more. You're the fucking HC- either let the coordinator do his job or tell him to do it differently. If AP can't present a concrete plan for the offense, he should be fired. It's really that simple. As for the D- that side of the ball gets a pass. The offense puts them in a hole and they've lost starters. But you don't keep AP because of what the next HC might do on that side of the ball.
Totally agree

He stated “we needed to run more” (I’m paraphrasing)

You’re the head coach dude! Make the decision to run more then!

I have seen comments about a hot shot OC is needed. Who? Who will come and attach themselves to a HC like Pierce who will start next season on the hot seat? Maybe a coach will join the Raiders since they will get a young QB. That’s the only hope.
 
We used to have this, and everybody hated it, lol. Everybody wanted these try hard overachiever players instead of the most athletic and fastest players. I think the best teams just get good players and the coaching staff coaches them up. I don't think there's a science to it. Baltimore had John Simpson playing a prominent role in their line last year, and he was this close to getting his own fuck you thread when we had him. He left and went to the Jets and has been part of almost getting Rodgers killed on the field. I think this all went awry when we lost our identity as a franchise with the Shanahan hire 35 years ago, and it's only gotten exacerbated by whatever the fuck Mark is doing.
The Raiders just never seem to have a plan to follow. Seems they are always trying things on the fly and it’s why they are one of the worst organizations in the NFL.
 
We used to have this, and everybody hated it, lol. Everybody wanted these try hard overachiever players instead of the most athletic and fastest players. I think the best teams just get good players and the coaching staff coaches them up. I don't think there's a science to it. Baltimore had John Simpson playing a prominent role in their line last year, and he was this close to getting his own fuck you thread when we had him. He left and went to the Jets and has been part of almost getting Rodgers killed on the field. I think this all went awry when we lost our identity as a franchise with the Shanahan hire 35 years ago, and it's only gotten exacerbated by whatever the fuck Mark is doing.
Free Agency is what did in the Raiders (along with Shanarat)
 
Totally agree

He stated “we needed to run more” (I’m paraphrasing)

You’re the head coach dude! Make the decision to run more then!

I have seen comments about a hot shot OC is needed. Who? Who will come and attach themselves to a HC like Pierce who will start next season on the hot seat? Maybe a coach will join the Raiders since they will get a young QB. That’s the only hope.

To be fair, I don't think his comments meant that he wasn't happy with the play calling as much as him saying they wanted to run more but the circumstances didn't allow for it. Outside of the one 19 yard run by McCormick, they averaged about 3 YPC and the game started getting away from them. The Raiders just aren't a good running team. Or good at anything, really.
 
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