Welcome to the team: new GM Tom (Telescope) Telesco

DORINTORN46 said:
A very detailed description of how Al maneuvered around the other partners to eventually take over. Another good read is titled " You're okay, it's just a bruise" written by a long- time Raiders trainer. He spills about player injuries and pressure to play etc.
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That's Rob Huizenga's book isn't it? Yes, I read that and enjoyed it. I think he loses it a bit when he focuses on Marcus and the whole OJ Simpson stuff - there was a lot left unsaid and it was impossible to read between the lines. And I get that he was bitter having lost his role but he embraced the anti-Al waggon a little too readily I thought. The first chapter, of the game in 1984 against the Dolphins, is brilliant, mind.

His main beef was the way players were treated medically (and he made a lot of good points) and while he aligned himself with those such as Terry Robiskie, who was anti-Al, I'm pretty sure he'd have found himself unhappy with the approach Robiskie took to players when he was on other teams. So it seemed to me he'd have been better off giving the whole 'resistance' schtick a miss. It just cheapened the book.

He was even called to give evidence in the OJ trial I discovered a couple of years ago. (I think) about how OJ didn't have the physical ability to do what the murderer must have done. So, yeah.
 
Welsh Raider said:
That's Rob Huizenga's book isn't it? Yes, I read that and enjoyed it. I think he loses it a bit when he focuses on Marcus and the whole OJ Simpson stuff - there was a lot left unsaid and it was impossible to read between the lines. And I get that he was bitter having lost his role but he embraced the anti-Al waggon a little too readily I thought. The first chapter, of the game in 1984 against the Dolphins, is brilliant, mind.

His main beef was the way players were treated medically (and he made a lot of good points) and while he aligned himself with those such as Terry Robiskie, who was anti-Al, I'm pretty sure he'd have found himself unhappy with the approach Robiskie took to players when he was on other teams. So it seemed to me he'd have been better off giving the whole 'resistance' schtick a miss. It just cheapened the book.

He was even called to give evidence in the OJ trial I discovered a couple of years ago. (I think) about how OJ didn't have the physical ability to do what the murderer must have done. So, yeah.
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I should give it a re-read after all these years. Weirdest thing I remember is when he stated that if not for injuries, Marc Wilson had the most talent he'd ever seen on the team. HUH???
 
DORINTORN46 said:
A very detailed description of how Al maneuvered around the other partners to eventually take over. Another good read is titled " You're okay, it's just a bruise" written by a long- time Raiders trainer. He spills about player injuries and pressure to play etc.
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Read this one and loaned it out a couplea times, great stuff
 
PDX Raider said:
I think it's a simple issue: can you get a HC who is better on the offensive side of the ball? At a minimum, AP has to be ready to say who his OC will be or Turner has to show something in the last 7 weeks. And it doesn't bode well for AP to say things like: we should have run more. You're the fucking HC- either let the coordinator do his job or tell him to do it differently. If AP can't present a concrete plan for the offense, he should be fired. It's really that simple. As for the D- that side of the ball gets a pass. The offense puts them in a hole and they've lost starters. But you don't keep AP because of what the next HC might do on that side of the ball.
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This is something he needs to learn too if he does stay in the job. I heard Arians say similar when he had Leftwich calling plays in Tampa that they needed to run more, but he always ultimately put it on himself to get it corrected, same with any defensive issues that first year when Bowles passing defense was getting lit up. It's a matter of approach as much as anything.
 

Giants, Colts, Jaguars have NFL GMs on the hot seat, as pressure mounts for others​

Mike Jones
Nov 27, 2024

Last week, the New York Jets fired Joe Douglas, making him the first NFL general manager of the season to lose his job.
Douglas will not likely be the last, as underachieving teams abound this season. Seventeen of the NFL’s 32 teams entered Week 13 with losing records. And nearly a dozen of those teams are dangerously close to posting double-digit losses.

People around the league predict three to five teams will hire new general managers this offseason, hoping that a change at the leading personnel position can spark improvement.

As the regular season reaches its final full month, several owners are weighing difficult decisions. Which general managers seemingly find themselves on shaky footing as their franchises’ hopes evaporate?

Hot seats

Trent Baalke, Jacksonville Jaguars​

Baalke has been blessed with high draft picks, ample cap space and the patience and support of owner Shad Khan, yet he has failed to turn the Jaguars into a contender. Charged with addressing the team’s most pressing areas of need, Baalke has repeatedly swung and missed and now is headed for his second double-digit-loss season in four years. He’s 23-39 in three-plus regular seasons.

After a 2023 campaign marked by regression and a second-half collapse, the Jaguars hoped to regain their 2022 playoff form, but instead have gotten even worse. Jacksonville is 2-9 and in the mix for the No. 1 pick in the draft. Even Trevor Lawrence — regarded as a generational talent when Jacksonville drafted him first overall in 2021, who this summer signed a five-year, $275 million contract extension — has regressed mightily on Baalke and Doug Pederson’s watch. Lawrence hasn’t played since Nov. 3 because of a shoulder injury, but he was 2-7 even before getting hurt. With each dismal performance by the Jags this season, it has become clear that Khan needs to clean house, starting with the GM and coach.

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Source: Austin Mock/The Athletic

Chris Ballard, Indianapolis Colts​

A late-season rebound by quarterback Anthony Richardson could help Ballard’s cause, but for the time being, an uneasiness hangs over the Colts. They enter Week 13 with a 5-7 record and are in danger of missing the playoffs for a fourth straight season. Richardson, whom Ballard drafted fourth in 2023, may have enviable physical gifts, but accuracy and decision-making are among his glaring weaknesses, and thus far the quarterback — benched earlier this season before reclaiming his job — looks like a huge reach.

Richardson has failed to achieve the level of consistency necessary to shine at quarterback in the NFL. If he and the Colts can’t make a playoff push in the final month of the season, owner Jim Irsay could opt for a change at GM for the first time since 2017.

Joe Schoen, New York Giants​

Giants owner John Mara said Oct. 23 that Schoen’s and coach Brian Daboll’s jobs were safe despite a gravely disappointing 2024 campaign. But Schoen, who became GM in 2022, now has two epic failures hanging over him: Quarterback Daniel Jones’ benching and release, and running back Saquon Barkley’s dominating season for the Philadelphia Eagles after Schoen deemed him unworthy of a handsome contract extension.

The Giants have regressed ever since their surprising playoff run in 2022. Their roster remains sorely talent deficient, and Schoen hasn’t displayed an ability to get things back on track. As the season continues to crash and burn — the Giants are 2-9 — drastic changes seem necessary.

Pressure mounting​

Tom Telesco, Las Vegas Raiders​

Telesco is still in his first season with the Raiders, but they are 2-9 and have taken steps backward. That creates scrutiny around Telesco and Antonio Pierce, who was hired as the permanent head coach in January after an encouraging interim stint. Pierce is on the shakiest footing, though he continues to argue that a weak quarterback situation is the biggest thing holding the Raiders back. Gardner Minshew was 2-7 this season before suffering a broken collarbone on Sunday; the Raiders are preparing to start Aidan O’Connell (0-2) Friday for the first time since he suffered a broken thumb Oct. 20.

Could Tom Brady, who now has great influence within the organization as a minority owner, want his own guy running the show at coach and GM? If so, that could lead to a short stint for Telesco as well. For now, though, the GM can hang his hat on the fact that he drafted promising starters with his first three selections last spring (tight end Brock Bowers, center Jackson Powers-Johnson and right tackle Delmar Glaze).

Andrew Berry, Cleveland Browns​

The huge swing-and-miss on Deshaun Watson is a black eye on the Browns franchise, and that failed move has caused some league insiders to wonder about the stability of Berry’s job. Hired in 2020, Berry will likely receive more time. For now, the bulk of the pressure rides on coach Kevin Stefanski, who thus far has struggled to help Watson find comfort in his system and play like the franchise quarterback the Browns are paying him to be. Watson was 1-6 when he suffered a season-ending ruptured right Achilles tendon. His injuries (he has played in 13 total games the last two seasons) and those along the offensive line haven’t made things easy. But the Browns still owe Watson another $92 million over the next two years, so team officials could look elsewhere for remedies.
So who are some of the leading candidates to fill impending openings? Teams will likely look to successful franchises for someone who could bring winning ways with them to direct reclamation projects. Some highly regarded candidates expected to interview for jobs this hiring cycle:

• Mike Borgonzi, Chiefs assistant general manager
• Mike Martin, Lions director of scouting advancement
• Dwayne Joseph, Lions director of scouting
• Jeff Scott, Eagles vice president of football operations
• Brandon Hunt, Eagles senior director of scouting
• John Spytek, Buccaneers assistant general manager
• Chad Alexander, Chargers assistant general manager
• Ian Cunningham, Bears assistant general manager
• Josh Williams, 49ers director of scouting and football operations
• Glenn Cook, Browns assistant general manager
 
Birdwell said:
This goes to the question of what AP wants/has a vision for scheme and personnel.

He wants a smashmouth O that runs with power and throws deep. He has complained every week about receivers open deep who were not thrown to. On O, he wants to stop the run, tackle well, communicate well.

Physicality and aggressiveness on both sides of the ball.

He gets Miscue, 3 interior O-line under 300 pounds. No deep ball, no power running. Why he didn't know Getsy's system wouldn't work I don't know.



None of these are excuses. They do factor into why what he wants isn't happening.
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If AP wanted this why hire a WCO/ ZBS staff when we had a solid OL coach and group set for Earhardt up the field passing?

Is AP just a figurehead? Did Davante hire Getchy after Kliff walked?

There’s no shortage of guys who are qualified to be OC. We all thought Coughlin Philbin orMarvin would have connections.

It’s really unexplainable ( as you mention) how we went with that system…with a QB who can’t even drop to proper Waggle depth.

At least my Sunday’s are freed up.

Ugh
 
Diceq said:
If AP wanted this why hire a WCO/ ZBS staff when we had a solid OL coach and group set for Earhardt up the field passing?

Is AP just a figurehead? Did Davante hire Getchy after Kliff walked?

There’s no shortage of guys who are qualified to be OC. We all thought Coughlin Philbin orMarvin would have connections.

It’s really unexplainable ( as you mention) how we went with that system…with a QB who can’t even drop to proper Waggle depth.

At least my Sunday’s are freed up.

Ugh
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This is the single biggest indictment of AP this year. Why put in place a system completely opposed to what your described requirement was? And one that needed to be installed as well? I mean, if he wanted to move to a power scheme but had to take his time because his players were all for the ZBS, that's one thing. But to do it the other way? Away from what he wants? It's a hell of an indictment of AP.

Although, at the same time ... and if Davis wants one ... you might argue it's the single best mitigating factor for AP too, if we assume he was not the casting vote in the decision.

And that fact - that we could spin it either way for AP - demonstrates quite how fucked up the decision was (regardless of whose decision it was).
 
Welsh Raider said:
This is the single biggest indictment of AP this year. Why put in place a system completely opposed to what your described requirement was? And one that needed to be installed as well? I mean, if he wanted to move to a power scheme but had to take his time because his players were all for the ZBS, that's one thing. But to do it the other way? Away from what he wants? It's a hell of an indictment of AP.

Although, at the same time ... and if Davis wants one ... you might argue it's the single best mitigating factor for AP too, if we assume he was not the casting vote in the decision.

And that fact - that we could spin it either way for AP - demonstrates quite how fucked up the decision was (regardless of whose decision it was).
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Everything about the decision making process is a mess. They interviewed no one else for the HC position. The GM position was between the in house guy and Telesco, who would have had no role in picking the HC. Then the HC wants to hire KK- but that didn't go through b/c of a contract situation. Meanwhile your stud WR vouches for Getsy while passive aggressively making it known he may want out. So a player who the team is souring on and who's souring on the team has an outsized say on who the OC. And that OC was terrible in his last place.

Morons- the whole fucking lot of them. Hire a VP of Football operations to oversee this shit, and let that dumb fuck bowl cut sit in the owners seat and collect checks.
 
“You used to call me paranoid
Pressure
But even you can not avoid
Pressure
You turned the tap dance into your crusade
Now here you are with your faith
And your Peter Pan advice
You have no scars on your face
And you cannot handle pressure”

Pressure mounting

Tom Telesco, Las Vegas Raiders

Telesco is still in his first season with the Raiders, but they are 2-9 and have taken steps backward. That creates scrutiny around Telesco and Antonio Pierce, who was hired as the permanent head coach in January after an encouraging interim stint. Pierce is on the shakiest footing, though he continues to argue that a weak quarterback situation is the biggest thing holding the Raiders back. Gardner Minshew was 2-7 this season before suffering a broken collarbone on Sunday; the Raiders are preparing to start Aidan O’Connell (0-2) Friday for the first time since he suffered a broken thumb Oct. 20.

Could Tom Brady, who now has great influence within the organization as a minority owner, want his own guy running the show at coach and GM? If so, that could lead to a short stint for Telesco as well.

For now, though, the GM can hang his hat on the fact that he drafted promising starters with his first three selections last spring (tight end Brock Bowers, center Jackson Powers-Johnson and right tackle Delmar Glaze).
 
PDX Raider said:
Everything about the decision making process is a mess. They interviewed no one else for the HC position. The GM position was between the in house guy and Telesco, who would have had no role in picking the HC. Then the HC wants to hire KK- but that didn't go through b/c of a contract situation. Meanwhile your stud WR vouches for Getsy while passive aggressively making it known he may want out. So a player who the team is souring on and who's souring on the team has an outsized say on who the OC. And that OC was terrible in his last place.

Morons- the whole fucking lot of them. Hire a VP of Football operations to oversee this shit, and let that dumb fuck bowl cut sit in the owners seat and collect checks.
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Yeah, I'm afraid to say, I think you're right. Although the others are only failing by being dropped into an impossible situation. The circumstance is of Mark Davis's making.

Until that is sorted, pretty much anyone is set up to fail here.
 
Welsh Raider said:
Yeah, I'm afraid to say, I think you're right. Although the others are only failing by being dropped into an impossible situation. The circumstance is of Mark Davis's making.

Until that is sorted, pretty much anyone is set up to fail here.
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What we've been saying. sell the team.
 
godeep811 said:
“You used to call me paranoid
Pressure
But even you can not avoid
Pressure
You turned the tap dance into your crusade
Now here you are with your faith
And your Peter Pan advice
You have no scars on your face
And you cannot handle pressure”

Pressure mounting

Tom Telesco, Las Vegas Raiders

Telesco is still in his first season with the Raiders, but they are 2-9 and have taken steps backward. That creates scrutiny around Telesco and Antonio Pierce, who was hired as the permanent head coach in January after an encouraging interim stint. Pierce is on the shakiest footing, though he continues to argue that a weak quarterback situation is the biggest thing holding the Raiders back. Gardner Minshew was 2-7 this season before suffering a broken collarbone on Sunday; the Raiders are preparing to start Aidan O’Connell (0-2) Friday for the first time since he suffered a broken thumb Oct. 20.

Could Tom Brady, who now has great influence within the organization as a minority owner, want his own guy running the show at coach and GM? If so, that could lead to a short stint for Telesco as well.

For now, though, the GM can hang his hat on the fact that he drafted promising starters with his first three selections last spring (tight end Brock Bowers, center Jackson Powers-Johnson and right tackle Delmar Glaze).
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thanks for posting this....again.
 
RF34 said:
• Mike Borgonzi, Chiefs assistant general manager
• Mike Martin, Lions director of scouting advancement
• Dwayne Joseph, Lions director of scouting
• Jeff Scott, Eagles vice president of football operations
• Brandon Hunt, Eagles senior director of scouting
• John Spytek, Buccaneers assistant general manager
• Chad Alexander, Chargers assistant general manager
• Ian Cunningham, Bears assistant general manager
• Josh Williams, 49ers director of scouting and football operations
• Glenn Cook, Browns assistant general manager
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That the same Joseph with the Lions who was here for years and years? Be a hell of a thing if he gets a GM job and does well when he was sitting here for like five or more years. Hell, I didn't even know he left. I know I checked the front office roster at some point this off-season and saw his name.
 
Welsh Raider said:
Hmmm, and have some fucking private equity twat buying it up.

Put in place a proper structure, or take the first step and appoint a Head of Football Operations or somesuch and then let that person do the rest. While Davis steps back.
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Private equity is buying pieces I read.
 
Raider Outlaw said:
Private equity is buying pieces I read.
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Aye, they are.

And I’m adopting a stern ‘Thus far and no farther’ approach to it all.

Which probably looks no different to someone just sitting back and hoping for the best, but you know, positive mind-set and all that shite.
 
godeep811 said:
“You used to call me paranoid
Pressure
But even you can not avoid
Pressure
You turned the tap dance into your crusade
Now here you are with your faith
And your Peter Pan advice
You have no scars on your face
And you cannot handle pressure”

Pressure mounting

Tom Telesco, Las Vegas Raiders

Telesco is still in his first season with the Raiders, but they are 2-9 and have taken steps backward. That creates scrutiny around Telesco and Antonio Pierce, who was hired as the permanent head coach in January after an encouraging interim stint. Pierce is on the shakiest footing, though he continues to argue that a weak quarterback situation is the biggest thing holding the Raiders back. Gardner Minshew was 2-7 this season before suffering a broken collarbone on Sunday; the Raiders are preparing to start Aidan O’Connell (0-2) Friday for the first time since he suffered a broken thumb Oct. 20.

Could Tom Brady, who now has great influence within the organization as a minority owner, want his own guy running the show at coach and GM? If so, that could lead to a short stint for Telesco as well.

For now, though, the GM can hang his hat on the fact that he drafted promising starters with his first three selections last spring (tight end Brock Bowers, center Jackson Powers-Johnson and right tackle Delmar Glaze).
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How the fuck is O'Connell 0-2? The game he broke his thumb didn't even finish much more than a quarter.

The only two things I give AP credit for this season is the continued correction of defensive mistakes (poor tackling, lack of effort by certain players), and what seems true about the team not pointing fingers -- not easy at 2-9 and especially so when the obvious biggest problem just broke his collarbone.

The leadership in the locker room seems solid, now that the biggest DIVA in the league is now losing in a bigger media market. If that holds, the O improves every week, and the team finishes with a record to get one of the top 3 QBs, things may not be so bleak.

Wilkins and Koonce (much less expensive now), upgrade Diablo to soneone who knows how to play LB (the OSU kid?), get Bennett healthy, resign Moehrig (safeties are cheap), decide about Hobbes. Only major need on D is a 0/1 tech DT.

O needs a RB, a fucking FB, and FUCKING NFL ARMED AND NFL INTELLIGENT QUARTERBACK!!!!

Most successful coach (by record) in the history of the League was an internal promotion from LB coach whose skill set is similar to AP's. But he inherited a good team.
 
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