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Week 4 Preview - Raiders v Browns

Week 4 Preview - Raiders v Browns

September 27, 2006
By Rupert Pollard

The Raiders are coming off a much needed bye week after two brutal defeats to start the season. Cleveland has just come off a hard-fought loss to the Raiders week two opponent, Baltimore. Despite the common opponent, there are several key differences in the games, despite a similar outcome. Cleveland was able to score two touchdowns where the Raiders could only muster two field goals. Cleveland held the Ravens to 15 points while the Raiders gave up 28 points. Cleveland got to host a home game while the Raiders had to travel to Charm City. Does this say the Raiders will get their collective aspirations handed to them on Sunday? Read on…

Offense

Looking at these two teams on offense, one thing is painfully obvious, they’re both near the bottom of the league. But how do they compare to one another? On the ground, the heralded backbone of any NFL offense, they’re essentially identical, putting up right around 60 yards per game. In other words, they’re both pathetic. Through the air, Cleveland puts up about 110 more yards per game, and no surprise, that puts them at about 110 yards total per game more than the Raiders. All those additional yards get Cleveland an offensive ranking of 27th, a whole 5 positions higher than the Raiders, who scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Looking at their one common opponent, Baltimore, they had a similar lack of success on the ground, and, not surprisingly, Cleveland had almost 130 more yards through the air than the Raiders. This is indicative of the more mature passing game Cleveland has. Pass protection was roughly equivalent; both took a sack about every 5.5 attempts. The biggest difference is that Cleveland’s passing ability translated into two touchdowns, one through the air, and one because no-one was watching Charlie Frye. The Raiders six turnovers played a significant role in their lack of offense, three coming off fumbled snaps.

It’s time for excuses and explanations. Cleveland is in the second season of Romeo Crennel’s offense, and Charlie Frye had seven games under his belt prior to this season. Oakland on the other hand has a new head coach, a reshuffled line, and needs to resort to a second year player under center who saw his first significant playing time against Baltimore. The fumbled snaps cannot be excused, and even when they’re properly explained, there was no salve for the damage they did.

These offenses are in different stages of development. Cleveland has the advantage of being one year further down the road than the Raiders are. The Browns are definitely going to be more effective in the passing game, which requires more familiarity for success. They eyeball test proved that out. Cleveland is more often able to make things work in the passing game when they need to than the Raiders are. Whether it’s the scheme or just familiarity in it has yet to be proven, regardless of the reason, the Raiders offense is definitely outclassed in this matchup.

Defense

A distinct difference appears on defense, just like it did on offense. The Raiders allowed about 30 yards more on the ground per game than Cleveland has. Cleveland, on the other hand, allowed 130 more yards through the air than the Raiders have. The end result is that the Browns defense is worse, to the tune of 100 yards per game. However, Cleveland has allowed almost 5 points fewer per game than the Raiders have. Cleveland averages 2 sacks per game and 1.3 turnovers per game. The Raiders average 1 sack per game and half a turnover.

Looking at their common opponent, the results are similar. Cleveland gave up 50 fewer yards on the ground, but 130 yards more in the air. And similarly, Cleveland gave up only 15 points while Oakland gave up 28. Each team collected 2 sacks, and Oakland collected the only turnover either team had.

Let’s forget the excuses and explanations for a minute and go straight to the eyeball test. Cleveland has a better pass rush than the Raiders, and even though Cleveland stops the run better, they’re not really that good at doing it. It’s time for the excuses. The Raiders gave some pretty good field position to Baltimore, which accounts for some of the point differential, but it also accounts for the yardage differential too. Sorry, Charlie. Here, the Raiders have a scheme advantage because Rob Ryan has been in place for two years already, but the Raiders also have a lot of youth starting on defense. Cleveland is only starting one rookie, and essentially has a veteran defense.

Cleveland’s defense is built for today while the Raiders’ defense is built for tomorrow. Still, the Raiders’ D is performing well. However, the lack of veterans on the Raiders defense has been evident at the end of every half, when they’ve given up a scoring drive to their opponent.

Special Teams

Janikowski and Lechler have been booming their kicks. Dawson is a solid kicker and Zastudil is a decent punter. The return game favors Cleveland on punts and the Raiders on kicks. They’re fairly equivalent on the amount they’ve allowed on punt returns, but the Raiders have had one breakdown on a kick return that puts their average above Cleveland’s by 10 yards. If there’s any advantage here, it goes to the Raiders’ two kickers.

Bottom Line

This is going to be a ball burner, to quote a former UCLA Basketball coach. Based upon run defense, both of these offenses should see some success running the ball, or at least begin the process of getting their running games going. Oakland’s pass defense will be matched up against the best passing offense they’ve seen so far this season, and their passing offense and offensive line should see the most forgiving pass defense and rush they’ve faced yet. Cleveland’s pass offense and offensive line will go back to seeing the less effective pass rush that they started the season against, but will face a pretty stingy pass defense.

What are the questions? Oakland’s pass defense will have to prove that it can stand up under the pressure of a pass-heavy offense. The pass defense did well in the first two games, but they didn’t have to turn back a lot of attempts. Both teams will have to prove they can run the ball, since they have yet to mount any sort of consistent ground attack. Can Oakland score a touchdown? Despite a couple good opportunities in week two, Oakland’s inexperience at QB prevented them from consummating those. Can Oakland’s defense hold an opponent below 27 points? Good question. Since Cleveland only averages 15 points a game, the odds are in the Raiders favor. This game could go many different ways, but I see it being a struggle. Cleveland has one game, and a more cohesive offense to it’s credit, so I expect them to prevail.

Rupert’s guess

The Raiders finally break through with a couple touchdowns, but Cleveland proves to be a more consistent performer. Cleveland 23 – Oakland 20
 
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Are we predicting the score in this thread? I think so.

Raiders 23 :D

Browns 22

Wlater leads the team on a 2-minute drill (from the Raiders own 14) and Jano connects from 47 with time running out!
 
I'm picking the Raiders to win this one :)
 
Angel said:
I'm picking the Raiders to win this one :)
Score please.

You're alright Angel I don't care what Rupert says about you.
 
CrossBones said:
Score please.

You're alright Angel I don't care what Rupert says about you.
Raiders 24, Browns 17

LMAO Cross...that's sweet of ya!! :p
 
Not Pretty. Too many drops. So much for catching drills. Has it really been so long since our WR's got a pass that they don't know what to do when it comes their way?:o

I like alot of things Walter did. Of course there were a few i didn't completely care for. But I thought the results were better than brooks and unlike Brooks he can improve and adjust his game to get better.

Things that won't show up in the box score? The fact that we were able to get passes(deep passes) off for once. this alone opened up better chances for of rushing team. Boothe was very solid and also made a difference in that department. Walter's ability to buy time and improvise. Something Aaron Brooks was "supposed" to do.


Things that were bad? The drops. The special teams coverage was asscrack nasty ugly bad. They were the mvp for the browns. The run defense was inconsistent(tommy kelly can't play NT, please stop forcing him to). Did I say the Special teams was ugly already?:o The 4th and 1 stuffing we got served. the timely penalties kicking us in the anus.
 
Reality Check!!!!!!

Rup, I know you're driving home but here is the BAD news...

Walter > 46 yards passing (add in the 22 they took away because oif the sacks and we're up to 68 yards passing) ---- THAT sucks. It's the system IMO. Tom Walsh was a big mistake.

Abelardo is here with me and he agrees with me. :o :( :mad:
 
Reality Check

How many drops killed us? I remember 5. Not that it would have given Walter a boatload of yards, but he'd have crossed 100 for the second week. That would have give us 300 yards of offense. Extend those drives and all of a sudden he's approaching the yards we had against Baltimore, 162, and we're looking at nearly 400 yards of offense.

300 yards of offense is considered slightly below average. I don't know how many people consider us even an average team. But the fact that we're improving means quite a bit.

Blame the system if you want. I blame the players at this point. They're still trying to get the system down. You can blame the system after three games into it. I personally think that's wrong.
 
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Well OK, continue to believe the system is a good one. I don't.

I don't think we had more than 2 drops anyway sunday.
 
I'm saying we won't know much about the system until the players start executing it consistently. Until we get that, there's no way to properly evaluate it.

It's nice to say that the system is no good, but there were plenty of time that the drive could have been sustained if someone had executed properly. I remember 2 drops by R. Williams, 1 by Cury, and 1 by Whitted. That's 4 I recall. I am almost sure there was at least 1 onter. Add to that the passes forced toward Randy Moss when he was covered, and you might begin to understand what I mean when I say that execution is hurting the offense, not the system.

If those passes wouldn't have gotten us yards, then okay, you're right, dumb calls. But every one of them would have helped us move the ball, and/or would have prevented attempting longer passes or punts. Until the players start executing consistently, we will not be able to make a proper evaluation. I could sit here and count execution problems in the future and say the scheme would work if we executed properly. Unfortunately, I don't get to see the plays that would have followed the properly executed play, so I can't determine if the scheme is any good since it's trying to compensate for the players putting the offense into situations it's not ready to execute.

We have to get better before I can talk intelligently about the offensive scheme.
 
I blame Roop for predicting the loss, almost to the exact point totals. LOL.

Feh.. just so depressing all around. And, I recalled around 5-6 drops as well, for whatever that's worth.
 
You know, it's just the way I saw the game shaking out. Cleveland is one year ahead of us implmenting their offense. They also have a defense that's built to win now (not that they're that good). But match the two up with us and you have what we saw.

At halftime I was very encouraged by the score. After watching the 1st possession by each team to start the second half, I was seriously concerned about our ability to win the game. It was a Gruden-esque lead-sitting loss until the failed 4th down attempt. I liked the attitude of going for it, but hated not taking the points to tie it. I felt that in that situation both the offense and defense should have been thrown a bone on the scoreboard, so to speak.

It's funny to think that the Art Shell from his 1st stint as head coach would have taken the FG. There's no question in my mind. Hell, Gruden would have kicked the FG too. You've got to reward your team for doing something right. Points on the board is the best way possible. Instead he allowed them to lose confidence by getting man-handled on the dirt with a long developing play.

Did anyone watching TV see Cleveland cleaning their cleats at every time-out on the field (TV breaks, etc.)? Probably not, but they had the water boy bring out a couple mats for them to clean their cleats. Looks like we should make that a habit, even if we need to supplement Run-run.
 
Oh, and I hated being so right on my prediction. Grrrrrr.

We'll see how well I do with my next prediction.
 
Last year the browns also defeated us and we were on our second year of development while they were starting theirs. Of course our project crashed. The sad thing is our current project seems to be worse than Norv Turdner's fiasco.
 
Abelardo: Actually, Turner had started a new development. He installed a brand new blocking scheme. It required a whole new level of learning by the guys. That's one of the main reasons that he didn't improve in his second season. He asked the linemen to go back before blocking (something I demonstrated just before you arrived at Phil's hotel room). It was so different from what they'd already been doing that they couldn't figure it out. So instead of being in their first year of development, they were essentially in a perpetual off-season. I think the scheme has some virtues and would have liked to have seen it carried through.

Oh well, back to the tried and true. The only problem is we're changing the way the OL executes the tried and true a little by asking them to do it longer. So when it used to be acceptable to lunge as a last ditch effort to make a block, it's no longer acceptable because they have to remain in contact (and hopefully control) of the defender until the play is over. That requires better technique from the start of the play through to the end of the play. So sloppiness causes problems. These guys were used to getting by with sloppiness.
 
Well no matter the reason we've have regressed some. I understand the reason but the fans deserve better one way or the other.

I wish I had the answer to this problem. One way or the other the great Oakland Raiders have to find a way to climb out of this hole they're in. The natives are restless to say the least and frankly I can't blame anybody for being upset.
 
Hey! I only question those who aren't upset. This is not a situation to be happy about. Patience I can understand (I'm trying to retain mine).
 
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