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I am looking for information on the Walter kid. Being on the east coast I never saw him play in college, and the only time I did get to see him was a preseason game against San Fran backups. While he did look good how reliable can that be? All I know about him is that he broke Elway's td record in the pac-10 (not really a defensive power conference) and that he finished his senior season injured, came to us in the 3rd rd and never finished preseason because he was injured again. I have listened to people on a lot of different sites and there are a lot of people out there praising the kid as the saviour of the franchise.

Like he is the next Stabler, Plunkett, or Gannon.

I just know our history lately with the draft has not been great. We get a good player every now and again, but more often the player turns out to be a disappointment. So this seems like extemely high praise for a third rd. pick who has been injured the last 2 years. I mean remember, Tui was a second round pick. And While I don't think he will be the starter, I don't think he was ever given a fair shot either. Any info anyone has would be appreciated.
 
Angry Pope posted a video of Walter when he was in college. I can't seem to find it right now. Pretty impressive.

Yeah the jury is out on this kid. He was hurt in his senior year and dropped to the third round as a result. I think he was projected as a mid first rounder before the injury. Then in his first seasonm with the Raiders he hurt hs groin and he wasn't even playing. Hard to tell and get a red on hhim at this point.. He has a big arm[/]b which is something our owner loves as you know. The Raider Nation seems to be screaming for him to play but then you know the story about the backup QB always being the most lovable guy on the team!!!

Maybe AP can dig up that video for 'ya!
 
I'm a little skeptical that Walter's drop to the third round was due entirely to his injury and not in some part to the Kerry Collins comparisons. I've used the McGahee example before, but I truly believe that if he was a "first round" prospect then a team would have taken a chance on him earlier in the draft.

That said... he did look good last year in preseason and has some impressive credentials.
 
gst8: Well there's a big difference in what sugeons can do for the knee ligaments and what they can do for the shoulder.

The knee isn't designed for lateral movement, it's basically a hinge. The shoulder is another matter. It's a ball in a socket and has a large range of motion.

Ligament replacement for the knee has become so good that the joint is more stable after the surgery than before. Shoulder sugeries have not been able to duplicate that kind of success.

So when a QB injures his throwing shoulder, a corresponding drop in draft position should be expected because he's guaranteed to be on the shelf for at least a year while strength is built up in the joint. Rushing a shoulder back into action is asking it to come back apart because there is no surgical procedure that makes the shoulder more stable than a healthy joint. (Note, this is contrary to what I said about Sapp's shoulder, but Sapp doesn't need power in the shoulder above the shoulder, which the throwing motion requires but a pass rush punch does not.) A RB who injures his knee can be back on the field in 6 months and back to full capability in 9 months with no perceptible drop off in production or fear of the surgical repair being weaker than a healthy joint.
 
Yeah I do think you're analysis of knee vs shoulder is pretty good.

It would kind of defy the logic of NO paying Brees $10 Million this coming season. True they have an out after one year (cut him with almost no penalty) but still. Guess it's just a gamble they felt they could take. I'd be pretty concerned with that shoulder. I think Miami was and took the knee case (culpepper) instead.
 
Rupert said:
gst8: Well there's a big difference in what sugeons can do for the knee ligaments and what they can do for the shoulder.

The knee isn't designed for lateral movement, it's basically a hinge. The shoulder is another matter. It's a ball in a socket and has a large range of motion.

Ligament replacement for the knee has become so good that the joint is more stable after the surgery than before. Shoulder sugeries have not been able to duplicate that kind of success.

So when a QB injures his throwing shoulder, a corresponding drop in draft position should be expected because he's guaranteed to be on the shelf for at least a year while strength is built up in the joint. Rushing a shoulder back into action is asking it to come back apart because there is no surgical procedure that makes the shoulder more stable than a healthy joint. (Note, this is contrary to what I said about Sapp's shoulder, but Sapp doesn't need power in the shoulder above the shoulder, which the throwing motion requires but a pass rush punch does not.) A RB who injures his knee can be back on the field in 6 months and back to full capability in 9 months with no perceptible drop off in production or fear of the surgical repair being weaker than a healthy joint.
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Point well taken. I was always under the impression that a knee was more serious... especially one that was shredded as badly as McGahee's. But if this IS true, doesn't it also defy the logic against trading for Culpepper?
 
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In my eyes, the logic against trading for Culpepper was his contract amount. Granted, that can be worked with. I was never worried about his knee.
 
CrossBones said:
Yeah I do think you're analysis of knee vs shoulder is pretty good.

It would kind of defy the logic of NO paying Brees $10 Million this coming season. True they have an out after one year (cut him with almost no penalty) but still. Guess it's just a gamble they felt they could take. I'd be pretty concerned with that shoulder. I think Miami was and took the knee case (culpepper) instead.
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Bones: The one thing that's improved with shoulders is the rehab. They can do wonderful things with exercises to stabilize the joint. None of which anyone does until there's a problem. Strange huh?

But yeah, it's a freaking gamble. I personally wouldn't be worried if he wasn't going to get hit. I know he can be babied during the season if he gets sore. I know he can be put on a regimen to maximize the strength and stability.

What I don't know, is what's going to happen if he falls on it wrong when he's tackled. What's going to happen if it's in a bad position when he hits? What if it gets wrenched? There are no guarantees on the football field. If you can protect him in the pocket, good. Otherwise, you've screwed yourself.
 
Rupert said:
In my eyes, the logic against trading for Culpepper was his contract amount. Granted, that can be worked with. I was never worried about his knee.
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Never? Even when reports are saying he won't be ready to practice till August? I think the Raiders dodged a bullet by not going for Culpepper.....but that's JMO. :)
 
Never. Like I said, I've seen miraculous recoveries. Seemingly every new surgery takes less recovery time. Soon they'll just be waiting for the swelling to go down, and they'll have drugs for that.
 
I don't know what turned me off more. Culpepper's knee, or his head. The guy looked awful when he didn't have Moss out there dictating coverages. I'm really pleased that we didn't let the Vikings hose us two years in a row.
 
Crow said:
I don't know what turned me off more. Culpepper's knee, or his head. The guy looked awful when he didn't have Moss out there dictating coverages. I'm really pleased that we didn't let the Vikings hose us two years in a row.
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Ditto. It will be interesting to watch him in Miami tho. Just glad we didn't give up the house for him.
 
Chambers is good, but I wonder if he can be the bail out Pep needs to look competant...
 
Crow said:
Chambers is good, but I wonder if he can be the bail out Pep needs to look competant...
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He made Ferrotte look good at times lol, but then again, Ferrotte looked good with Moss as well. Its hard to say, but will be fun to watch.
 
Looks like there is stil a chance McNair might be an option. But with the signing of Brooks I rather doubt it woujld be in the cards for the Raiders.

I'm just wondering what Al has in mind for the draft. There was an article that AP posted where Art Shell talked about bolstering the OL even more. You think Al has D'Brick on the radar somehow?
 
CrossBones said:
Looks like there is stil a chance McNair might be an option. But with the signing of Brooks I rather doubt it woujld be in the cards for the Raiders.

I'm just wondering what Al has in mind for the draft. There was an article that AP posted where Art Shell talked about bolstering the OL even more. You think Al has D'Brick on the radar somehow?
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I know for certain that Al and Art like D'Brick a lot but I don't think we can get him now. We were having ongoing discussions with the Saints where Porter was part of the deal. The latest is that the Saints don't want to go below the number five spot.
 
Angry Pope said:
I know for certain that Al and Art like D'Brick a lot but I don't think we can get him now. We were having ongoing discussions with the Saints where Porter was part of the deal. The latest is that the Saints don't want to go below the number five spot.
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Do you know if it was swapping picks and porter or was there other picks involved as well?
 
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