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Training camp, Day 15

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Friday at 4:43 pm

Enough footballs have littered the ground behind the Napa Marriott to begin the whispers of concern regarding the Raiders' offense.

No, it couldn't possibly happen . . . or could it?

Those of us who watched training camp last season know a bad offense when we see it. Or like to think we do. I remember writing before the first day of August how hideous the Raiders looked when trying to move the ball.

Here we are a year later, and once again it's a struggle.

Fear not, a repeat performance is simply not possible. No team scores 12 offensive touchdowns on offense in an entire season and manages to be that bad again the following year. Lane Kiffin isn't going to bring USC firepower to Oakland in a single season, but amid the incomplete passes are some signs of improvement that could get the Raiders all the way to mediocre.

Among them:

– Listen to Kiffin and Greg Knapp for five minutes and you're bound to hear, "Get it out! Get out!"

One day, Kiffin was lecturing his quarterbacks about having a clock in their heads with regard to getting the ball out of their hand. It's hardly groundbreaking stuff, other than it's exactly the opposite of what Art Shell told Raiders quarterbacks last year.

Shell even lectured the media about how his quarterbacks would not have a clock in their heads. They would hold the ball as it took for the receiver to come free.

With that change in philosophy alone, you can slice 25 sacks off the egregious total of 72.

– There's been some occasional confusion getting to the line as players become familiar with the system, but the tempo is so much better they'll have time to correct their mistakes provided the quarterback is good at recognizing what's wrong.

How many times were the Raiders getting to the line last season with the play clock already counting down, 5-4-3-TIME OUT! Either that or snap . . . sack.

– Tight ends, fullbacks and running backs are more involved, eligible receivers whose participation dovetail nicely with the order of getting the ball out on time.

– Boring as it sounds, this offense can be functional if not explosive at the start, and if the Raiders are as good on defense as they think, playing field position and punting without a turnover can be a good possession.

– One writer who visited the Saints among other teams last season was shaking his head in horror at the Raiders offensive performance, but conceded, "I thought the Saints were going to be awful last year."

A few storylines which won't be solved Saturday night but will begin to take shape:

– Adimchinobe Echemandu . . . is he a training camp practice flash who disappears or could he be one of those anonymous runners Denver seems to come up with who flourishes with zone blocking and one-cut running?

– No. 3 and 4 wide receivers . . . Ron Curry and Jerry Porter are secure. My guess is the Raiders would love to see Mike Williams and Johnnie Lee Higgins step up and seize the next two spots, but there's no guarantee they will.

– Robert Gallery's conversion to guard . . . some think a guard that tall can't possibly get low enough to be a good cut-blocker. Tom Cable thinks differently, because even when Barry Sims doesn't practice, Gallery has not moved back to left tackle.

– Jeremy Newberry's health . . . he missed both practices in a double session Wednesday, the first time that's happened. Could be being conservative for the long haul, but with Newberry's history, it's always a concern.

– Daunte Culpepper . . . can he seize the starting position before Week 1? And what happens when and if JaMarcus Russell signs? Which quarterback is the odd man out?

– Which rookie defensive end is most likely to start? Lane Kiffin keeps talking about Quentin Moses, Rob Ryan is raving about Jay Richardson.

– Is there enough depth at corner? Stanford Routt is out with a knee injury and wasn't all that impressive working as the No. 1 nickel back. The best player there might be Chris Carr. The Raiders usually stack the roster with corners at the expense of safeties, this year it's the other way around.

– Will the Raiders use their `Wolverine" more than their base defense? It's a 4-2-5 alignment nicknamed because it put former Michigan star Charles Woodson in the middle of the field instead of at corner. Now the three safeties are Michael Huff, Donovin Darius and Stuart Schweigert.

– The Condo watch . . . linebacker Jon Condo is being given the opportunity to succeed Adam Treu. A single bad snap in the preseason could have the Raiders looking for someone else. Maybe Treu couldn't cover like Condo, but you took his accuracy for granted. Rest assured Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski did not.

– Russell . . . since he's buying a home in Oakland even without signing a contract with the Raiders, will he opt for a full season ticket plan or a five-pack?

Note: The Raiders held a walkthrough Friday which was closed to the media.
 
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– Robert Gallery's conversion to guard . . . some think a guard that tall can't possibly get low enough to be a good cut-blocker. Tom Cable thinks differently, because even when Barry Sims doesn't practice, Gallery has not moved back to left tackle.
Tragic....
 
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Welcome back bro! :cool:
 
It sucks to whiff on a #2 overall draftpick, but I'll take an average or above average G at this point...

We need something outta the guy...
 
I don't think that it is so much that he can't play tackle as it is that they want him to nail down the LG spot rather than disrupt his progress. He made this statement after the first training camp...

Robert Gallery took all his reps as a the first team left guard and expects to be there for awhile.

"I think they’re going to try it. They want people to get comfortable in one spot," I’m sure it depends on how things go in other places," Gallery said. "That’s the way we’re working right now."

I am left with the impression that his playing LG makes the other players stronger than if he were playing LT, in my opinion.
 
I don't think that it is so much that he can't play tackle as it is that they want him to nail down the LG spot rather than disrupt his progress. He made this statement after the first training camp...



I am left with the impression that his playing LG makes the other players stronger than if he were playing LT, in my opinion.

I think it's both.

The Raiders want him to nail down the LG spot and that can only come through repetition.

That being said, this dude SUCKS as a LT and as popular as it is to blame Art Shell for everything ranging from the Raiders being a bad team to blasting JFK atop the Grassy Knoll, it's patently clear to me that the Raiders & Kiffin know that Robert Gallery has zero future at LT. The fact that Barry Sims is STILL our LT, 3 years beyond his prime says it all IMO.

If it walks like BUST, talks like a BUST and plays like a BUST, at what point do we acknowledge the obvious? Let's hope we can a solid starter at LG. I think Pro-bowl LG will is way too much to expect.
 
He is pretty busty as a LT. Maybe at LG in the ZBS he will finally show up. I dont expect pro-bowl but i do expect at least averageness.
 
I think it's both.

The Raiders want him to nail down the LG spot and that can only come through repetition.

That being said, this dude SUCKS as a LT and as popular as it is to blame Art Shell for everything ranging from the Raiders being a bad team to blasting JFK atop the Grassy Knoll, it's patently clear to me that the Raiders & Kiffin know that Robert Gallery has zero future at LT. The fact that Barry Sims is STILL our LT, 3 years beyond his prime says it all IMO.

If it walks like BUST, talks like a BUST and plays like a BUST, at what point do we acknowledge the obvious? Let's hope we can a solid starter at LG. I think Pro-bowl LG will is way too much to expect.

VERY well said.

I've seen NO reason to believe that R. Gallery can adequately handle the LT position at the NFL level.

Forget scheme and coaching, the dude was flat out routinely physically inferior at LT last year.

If we can slide him in at Guard and have him end up being a decent starter, great.
 
That being said, this dude SUCKS as a LT and as popular as it is to blame Art Shell for everything ranging from the Raiders being a bad team to blasting JFK atop the Grassy Knoll, it's patently clear to me that the Raiders & Kiffin know that Robert Gallery has zero future at LT. The fact that Barry Sims is STILL our LT, 3 years beyond his prime says it all IMO.

That our entire offensive line played horribly last year raises a flag that it was the coaching. Tom Cable has gone on record as saying that he believes that we have more talent on our offensive line than what he worked with in Atlanta. Cable has also sung the praises of Gallery. Cable has been successful everywhere he has gone and thus his evaluation holds water with me.

Gallery was very successful in college and followed that up with a good first year here in the same system. He showed some agressiveness and confidence. That continuity raises a flag that between that time and now something went wrong.

The players have gone on record as saying how the disfunctional coaching staff approached the coaching last season. I don't know anyone that could prosper under those conditions.

There have been at least two executives on other teams who have said that all the coaching changes ruined Gallery. I believe that Joe Theisman might be the third.

Gallery was in high demand approaching the draft. If we screwed up the pick then many others also fell victim which raises another flag.

Had we continued under Aaron Kromer, Gallery's first coach here, we would most likely have seen a different player. Not many teams, if any, go through such a stretch of coaching changes.

Art Shell has a lot of the blame for instilling a blocking scheme that didn't fit the players we had, for hiring a friend instead of an offensive coordinator, for telling our quarterbacks to hold onto the ball until the receiver is open rather than throw it away, for all of long steps from center, for having three different voices instructing the offensive line at one time.

Gallery is the better athlete on the offensive line. The statement I posted that mentions the possibility of his moving yet again if the other positions are having trouble most likely came from conversations with Cable and not something that he made up. That to me sounds like our maximum potential is best when he is at LG.
 
I trust Cable. If Cable thinks he is a LG. Then what do I know? I only hope we see the dominant Iowa monster version not the " get punk'd by Sterriman" version, regardless of position. At some point a player like RG has to flash a DOMINANT side.
 
Kind of hard to flash a dominant side with all the confusion going on in the past. As far as Cable wanting him to play LG, in my opinion, it is as I mentioned above IMO.
 
McCown appreciates his opportunity

After a rough start in the NFL, the quarterback begins anew in Oakland.

Jason Jones

August 11, 2007

Josh McCown already has thanked the Raiders' coaching staff, even though he hasn't been named the starting regular-season quarterback.

He's grateful for a chance to start tonight's exhibition opener against the Arizona Cardinals at McAfee Coliseum. He spent four seasons with the Cardinals before sitting on Detroit's bench last season. McCown came to Oakland in a draft-day trade with no guarantees.

With first overall pick JaMarcus Russell still unsigned, McCown must fend off Andrew Walter and Daunte Culpepper in the Raiders' camp. Much to his delight, first-year coach Lane Kiffin has given all three equal snaps with the first, second and third teams as Culpepper has familiarized himself with the playbook.

"I was telling (John DeFilippo) the quarterbacks coach the other day, 'I really appreciate the fact that y'all have been so detailed with how we split things up,' " McCown said. "Obviously, 'Pep' came into it a little late, but especially with Andrew and myself throughout the spring, they've really done an outstanding job of making it fair."

McCown, 28, is starting tonight for a few reasons, but mainly because he has been the most consistent in training camp.

Teammates have responded to him well, and he has shown leadership qualities the Raiders have lacked on offense since the days of Rich Gannon. When the Raiders signed Culpepper on July 31, McCown remained the same unflappable personality.

Kiffin wanted to see how his quarterbacks reacted to the "adversity" of having a three-time Pro Bowl pick such as Culpepper thrown into the competition.

Walter responded with his worst practice of training camp.

McCown, perhaps mentally fortified by last season and his time with the wayward Cardinals, just kept playing.

"I really didn't put a whole lot of credence into it," McCown said of Culpepper's signing. "I just said I'm going to compete and take care of what I need to take care of. They can bring in who they want to bring in, but my goal for this team is to bring consistency to the quarterback position."

Doing that tonight means not turning the ball over and making the right decisions. Because of the focus on giving each quarterback a fair chance to start, McCown says he knows he might not have the opportunity to work with the first-team offense in the next exhibition game.

Also, going against a first-team defense is probably the most accurate gauge of McCown's grasp of the offense.

Regardless of the quarterback, Kiffin is looking for the same thing from each.

"However that score comes out, it'll come out," Kiffin said. "But we need to execute really well and do our fundamentals really well and not turn the ball over, and we need to get it back on defense."

McCown understands that. He also says he knows his play tonight won't win or cost him the starting job. As long as there is no favoritism in the competition, he will be fine, even if he doesn't start in Week 1.

"I'm going to work as hard as I can," McCown said, "and if I feel like I'm playing at a high level, then whoever beats me out must really be playing at a high level, which ultimately gets my goal done of bringing consistency to the position."
 
Raiders' offense tries to get in the zone

David White

Saturday, August 11, 2007

Fire the head coach and both co-offensive line coaches. Have a new head coach bring in a new line coach with a new blocking system. Keep four of five starters from last year, and sprinkle in three veterans no longer wanted by their former employers.

Shake it all together, and what do you get? Something better than 72 quarterback sacks, or so Oakland's coaches are hoping.

They better be right, because if the offensive line still can't block, an entire season is likely to be shot. Look no further than last year, when horrific line play (and coaching) gave the offense no chance in a 2-14 season.

"I am excited about things," said center Jake Grove, working with his fourth line coach and blocking system in four years. "I've never seen it like this since I've been here. We've got a real system now."

To see how well the Raiders are picking up the new scheme, check out tonight's exhibition opener against the Arizona Cardinals at the Coliseum. This is their first chance to implement the cut-block portion of the system, something they are not allowed to do to teammates in practice.

"I think it will be our first measuring stick," right guard Cooper Carlisle said. "I don't think it'll be anything to live and die by. It'll be good to go against someone else and see where we are, and hopefully, we'll be productive."

Zone blocking was made popular by Denver, where Carlisle spent the past seven seasons before joining the Raiders as a free agent. New offensive line coach Tom Cable ran the system for the Atlanta Falcons last year, and they led the NFL in rushing.

By Cable's estimation, zone blocking teams have led the league in rushing 13 straight years. Last year, the Raiders attempted a power running game and averaged 94.9 rushing yards per game, fourth-worst in the NFL. Their five rushing touchdowns were fewest in the league.

"Totally different style than before," Cable said. "We're just doing something good and different and new, and I'll leave it at that. We do it our way."

Here's what makes zone blocking different, particularly in the run game:

When the ball is snapped, the linemen spread out and work in tandem to cover different areas. This spreads the defense out, which creates more angles and allows the running back to cut back as open lanes emerge.

Mobility trumps size, and players are allowed to cut block - knocking a defender off his feet by aiming the shoulder below the waist.

Last year, the Raiders' power run required linemen to engage one-on-one at the line of scrimmage. Linemen were often pushed into the backfield from the point of contact, or simply blown by, leaving the running back with no hole.

"A million times better," left guard Robert Gallery said. "Everything is real clear. Go out and do things the way we do it well in a friendly system that is going to help us be the best we can be."

If nothing else, at least the Raiders are trying everything they can to address their most glaring weakness.

They brought in Carlisle for his zone blocking experience. They're starting free agent Cornell Green at right tackle and giving former Pro Bowler Jeremy Newberry every chance to win the starting center job.

They've even moved Gallery inside to guard. That took a hard swallow, because No. 2 overall picks are usually expected to anchor the line at left tackle.

"When they can really get in tune with each other, then you'll really see it go," Cable said. "Hopefully, it's right away, but it doesn't always happen like that.

"I think we're moving in the right direction."

Reunion day: Coach Lane Kiffin will face Arizona's Matt Leinart for the first time since the quarterback left USC two years ago. He says it's not a big deal.

Not so for Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, who is facing his former employer. He was a Cardinals assistant from 1994-95, along with his twin brother, Rex, and their father, then-head coach Buddy Ryan. The three were unceremoniously canned.

"We're playing the Cardinals, you know, long history there," Rob Ryan said. "Fired the whole family, so we'll be ready to go."
 
Kind of hard to flash a dominant side with all the confusion going on in the past. As far as Cable wanting him to play LG, in my opinion, it is as I mentioned above IMO.

Ehhh. Sounds like an excuse. If you are a #2 pick overall and demand a huge contract, than play up to it. If you cant man up and at least live up to the average for a LT in the league than except being a bust. It is a shame that Marcus McNeil is an a pro bowler in 1 year, and Kris Deilman is a converted DT pro bowler and our guy is a turnstile. Coaching has alot to do with it, but he looked like a scared newborn at LT. He was beaten by rookie's who were barely drafted last year. It was a man on man blocking scheme, and his man was abusing him week in and week out. I wanted Robert to live up to the unrealistic hype, but i dont even believe he is a starting tackle in the NFL. Look how the players drafted around him are playing:

Sean Taylor
Larry Fitz
Phillip Rivers
Kellen Winslow
D.Hall
Roy Williams
Duante Robinson
Big Ben
J.Vilma
Lee Evans
S. Andrews
V.Wilfork
Steven Jackson

The O-Lineman who was a beast in that draft class was S.Andrews!!! We passed on a great QB(2), S, WR(3), TE, CB, RB, MLB, OG and DT for this guy!!! We are paying him crazy money in the hopes he becomes a reliable starter? Robert is a huge bust. Lets just hope he can at least be a reliable LG. We F***'D up. All these players are producing...bottom line.
 
Taylor is more hype than production, and he was the guy I wanted with that pick.

Winslow? Be serious.

Ben Dilfered his way to a ring and has done dick ever since.

Andrews spends more time on the trainer's table than Wheatley.

And I don't think "players drafted around him" should include players from the bottom of the round. You don't have to be dishonest to make a case against Gallery.

Should we have gone another route? I don't think so. Gallery was the right pick. We just fucked him up. He'd be a stud on most any legitimate NFL team. Sadly, we don't fall into that category and he's had to pay for it.
 
Should we have gone another route? I don't think so. Gallery was the right pick. We just fucked him up. He'd be a stud on most any legitimate NFL team. Sadly, we don't fall into that category and he's had to pay for it.

I don't think many found fault with the pick at the time but I disagree that he'd necessarily be a stud on some other team. When you're drafted that high, you should be able to flash some ability regardless of the coaching staff. Like Tron mentions, the guy just gets abused regularly by edge rushers. I think we'll be lucky to get him in as a serviceable starting guard, let alone an all pro. Probably not too early to throw out the bust label.
 
I still don't find fault with pickling Gallery at #2. At the time it was probably the right decision.

How much the miserable coaching plays a part is part truth and part speculation. No matter how bad the coaching, for Gallery to be so physically dominated so many times is hard to take. He was said to be "nasty" coming out of Iowa. I haven't seen any of that. None.

When we drafted him I personally thought we had the LT position fixed for 10 years. When he was beat out by Sims I immediately started to wonder. Then the coaching shit started and messed with the man's mind. It's a terrible situation he was put in but still I'm tired of excuses for this guy showing nothing. The move to guard is a good idea IMO. Trying to fit the round peg in the square hole is getting old. Put him at guard and leave him there. If he busts out he busts out. Next. It happens and it happens to every team in the NFL. Oh well.

Let's hope for the best at this point.

I see brotha Crow got the stings attached back onto the cans. Good job bro.
 
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