Training Camp - Day 11

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August 06, 2007

Three tight ends still standing

NAPA - There are three standing on healthy legs.

The Raiders began training camp with six tight ends.

They are down to three after Fred Wakefield went down with what looked like a serious knee injury during special teams drills this morning.

He was taken off the field on a cart with an air cast on his right leg. Teammates came by and patted him on the shoulder, which usually means they know a guy's season is probably over.

James Adkisson is out with a hamstring injury. Randal Williams was released on Aug. 3.

That leaves rookie Zach Miller, second-year player John Madsen and free agent Tony Stewart as the only tight ends left.

The Raiders cut former starter Courtney Anderson before the start of training camp.

A viable tight end is essential for the Raiders if they want to run the West Coast offense.

Miller looks good. Madsen is up to 240 pounds after playing receiver in college. Stewart is a career backup.

A position that was a question mark is now screaming for help and depth. If Miller goes down, the Raiders' tight end situation looks bleaker than it did last year.

--Jason Jones
 
if the donks release him (if they havent) Teyo looked decent in NFLE from what I saw... I'd take him as one more TE for depth.
 
08.06.2007

Training camp, Day 11 (A.M.)

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Monday at 1:54 pm

News and notes, sights and sounds from Monday's morning practice session:

– Tight end Fred Wakefield sustained the first ugly injury of camp, going down in a special teams drill with what appeared to be a serious knee injury. Wakefield was on the field for several minutes, with teammate Donovin Darius offering prayer.

His leg was wrapped in a splint before Wakefield was taken from the field on a motorized cart.

Wakefield, a former offensive and defensive linemen whose blocking skills gave him a legitimate shot at the 53-man roster.

"It was a special teams drill and he went to cut back left inside the guy. Freak deal," coach Lane Kiffin said.

With the releases of Courtney Anderson before training camp and later Randal Williams, the Raiders have all of a sudden become thin at a position that once seemed deep.

James Adkisson has been out for the last several practices with a hamstring injury, leaving rookie Zach Miller, second-year man John Madsen and veteran free agent acquisition Tony Stewart as the three tight ends on the roster.

One name to keep in mind as the Raiders look for additional help _ Doug Jolley, a former Raiders second-round pick who is currently a free agent.

– Larry Brown, an undrafted rookie free agent who was with the Raiders from May 1 through June 12 before being waived, was signed to the roster and immedately saw playing time in team sessions.

At one point, after Anttaj Hawthorne jumped offsides, Brown was immediately sent in as the replacement.

– Practice was in soft pads for the second consecutive day following Sunday's scrimmage. Kiffin said Monday night's practice would be in pads.

– A rotational basis continued for skill positions on offense, with Andrew Walter and Josh McCown splitting reps as the first string quarterback while Daunte Culpepper gets caught up with the offensive system.

The first and second-team offensive lines have been kept together for the most part. Barry Sims (left tackle), Robert Gallery (left guard), Jake Grove (center), Cooper Carlisle (right guard) and Cornell Green (right tackle) comprise the first team, with Mario Henderson (left tackle), Paul McQuistan (left guard), Jeremy Newberry (center), Kevin Boothe (right guard) and Mark Wilson (right tackle) making up the second team.

Henderson has occasionally seen reps at right tackle, has has McQuistan.

– Running back Justin Fargas made one of training camp's outstanding catches on a 20-yard wheel route into the end zone, essentially snagging a Walter pass off the helmet of linebacker Robert Thomas for a touchdown.

– Running back LaMont Jordan (back) missed practice again and Kiffin said he wasn't sure if Jordan would practice Monday night.

– Safety Hiram Eugene came up with a defensive gem when he first broke up a pass from McCown to running back Adimchinobe Echemandu, then knocked it to the ground when it appeard Echemandu would catch the deflection.

– Defensive end Derrick Burgess came off the physically unable to perform list and took part in drills. He did not participate in team sessions. Burgess sounds as if he's no great hurry to play.

"You always need preseason just to get the rust off. It’s not more important than my body so I need to make sure I’m healthy enough and well enough to come in and do what I do," Burgess said.

– Walter and Alvis Whitted hooked up on one of the best looking vertical strikes since camp began to close out practice, a 50-yard touchdown play over Chris Carr during a two-minute drill. It was a rebound day for Walter, who had struggled mightily in recent days.

– McCown's two-minute drill ended in a 49-yard field goal by Tyler Fredrickson, a punter/kicker from Cal brought in to save the legs of Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Lechler.

– Culpepper lost a fumble after center Jesse Boone stepped on his foot, with Tommy Kelly scooping up the loose ball.

– McCown through the lone interception of the practice during a 7-on-7 drill to safety Stuart Schweigert.

– An example of a throw McCown and Walter simply can't make _ Culpepper threw an out pattern to Johnnie Lee Higgins from the far hash with the trajectory of a 40-yard clothesline for a first down.

– Kiffin said all three quarterbacks would see time in the preseason opener Satruday night against Arizona at McAfee Coliseum.

– Mike Williams, who has had an up and down camp, made at least three good catches and is showing flashes of the form which made him a first-round draft pick of the Detroit Lions.

"He's having a good time, but he's not happy with how he's playing right now," Kiffin said. "He's got a very high standard that he has set for himself. Hopefully, you'll see him even better than where he's at right now."

– During one drill, Kiffin stopped the action after a Curry catch to simulate an officials' review in the final two minutes.

– Defensive tackle/end Tyler Brayton missed practice with an elbow injury. Others who missed practice included cornerback Stanford Routt (knee), Jordan (back), defensive back John Bowie (Achilles), running back Michael Bush (leg), guard Ben Claxton (knee), tackle Chad Slaughter (calf), linebacker Isaiah Kacyvenski (knee) and Adkisson (hamstring).
 
"He's having a good time, but he's not happy with how he's playing right now," Kiffin said. "He's got a very high standard that he has set for himself. Hopefully, you'll see him even better than where he's at right now."

The part I liked best.
 
...with teammate Donovin Darius offering prayer.

How cool is this?

One name to keep in mind as the Raiders look for additional help _ Doug Jolley, a former Raiders second-round pick who is currently a free agent.

Teyo and now Jolley - are ther any TE's who were not once high Raider picks?

– McCown through the lone interception of the practice during a 7-on-7 drill to safety Stuart Schweigert.

Get that monkey off yo back Stu!

– An example of a throw McCown and Walter simply can't make _ Culpepper threw an out pattern to Johnnie Lee Higgins from the far hash with the trajectory of a 40-yard clothesline for a first down.

JR and DC in 2007!

– Kiffin said all three quarterbacks would see time in the preseason opener Satruday night against Arizona at McAfee Coliseum.

– Mike Williams, who has had an up and down camp, made at least three good catches and is showing flashes of the form which made him a first-round draft pick of the Detroit Lions.

I can't wait. Only a few more days to the preseason opener. Blow it up BMW!
 
Coach Kiffin Camp Q&A: Day 11

August 6, 2007

Head Coach Lane Kiffin addressed the media after the Raiders' morning practice on Day 11. Coach Kiffin talked about the play of running back Oren O'Neal., safety Donovin Darius, and wide receiver Mike Williams..

Q: Is Oren O’Neal standing out to you much? He is a big guy and we see him making some catches downfield occasionally.

Kiffin: Yes, he has really been a star of the camp and he brings an unbelievable attitude to the game; the way he plays, how physical he plays. [Isaiah Ekejiuba.] has probably been on the ground seven times, they just keep getting matched up and [Ekejiuba] finally got him back the other day, but we are very pleased with him coming from a smaller college, just stepping right in. You would guess he had been here for years.

Q: You bring in a guy like [Donovin] Darius into a kind of a tight unit on defense. Does his personality allow you to bring a guy like that in and know that there won’t be any clashes, and he’ll fit right in?

Kiffin: Well, it is his job to fit in; it’s not our job to fit him in. Our defense is a standard that we play to. The way that we meet and the way that we play the run, the way that we go about installing things, and it is his job to fit in and he is doing that.

Q: We notice Michael Williams out here a lot, it looks like he is having a good time, is that the same guy you remember back at USC?

Kiffin: Yeah, he is not even back to that. I guess to you maybe he is having a good time, but he is not happy with how he is playing right now, I know that. He has a very high standard that he has set for himself and hopefully you will see him even better than where he is at now.
 
A position that was a question mark is now screaming for help and depth. If Miller goes down, the Raiders' tight end situation looks bleaker than it did last year.

--Jason Jones

Then its obvious this idiot didnt see last years corp of losers.
 
Then its obvious this idiot didnt see last years corp of losers.

Amen. Z.Miller is about 1,676 times better than anyone on the roster at TE last season. T.Stewart is a solid pro and a true TE who can provide more depth than we had last year. NOW you can add a converted WR like Madsen who looks like a really good project to me right now. Madsen looks like a guys who might stick as a deep threat/ tough match-up TE. I

Losing Wakefield hurts because he was our blocking TE. He was dropping every pass coming his way so hopefully blocking was the plan. Basically our pass catching tight ends are way more promising than last year, and we have a vet like Stewart who is coming from a very successful Bengal offense. We basically need a who can step in and lay some block's but thats not hard to find if he is going to be your #4. Shit, we could though Henderson out there to block or Sapp and carry another QB!
 
I'd take Zach Miller and his grandma over Randal Williams and Courtney Anderson.

Everyday and twice on Sundays.

'The Truth' is gonna be exactly that as a rookie.
 
August 06, 2007

No practice Monday night

NAPA - Tonight's practice has been cancelled.

No complaints here. It's been unusually cold around these parts.

And the players, who are still in a pretty upbeat mood for the most part, will probably on smile at the notion of not practicing tonight.

That's another point for Lane Kiffin in the keep-the-team-happy category.

I expect there to be a new tight end in camp tomorrow now that there are only three healthy players at the position.

The Raiders wouldn't want to play Zach Miller, John Madsen and Tony Stewart an entire preseason game and could use a healthy James Adkisson and another body to help out in time for Saturday's exhibition game with the Arizona Cardinals.

Kiffin said all three quarterbacks will play, but won't reveal in what order or exactly who will be the starters at other positions.

Players might not like the rotation on Saturday, but at least Kiffin is popular tonight.

--Jason Jones
 
Having a 3 month old son is alotta MF'in work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yellow shit outta the ass...

Ever try and hold a baby in one arm, a bud light in the other and try and type a post?
 
Raiders training camp

August 6, 2007

Where’s the sun? Where’s the heat?

Is this really August?

For the second day in a row, the Oakland Raiders practiced in unusually cool weather for the summertime — cloudy, overcast skies with temperatures only in the high 50’s with a light breeze — at their Napa Valley training camp early Monday.

Some teams around the NFL have to put up with extreme conditions, such as hot and humid weather that can be nasty and brutal.

At Raider camp, make sure to bring a jacket or sweater if you’re watching from the sidelines, particularly since it’s been on the chilly side lately.

The cooling trend is expected to continue Tuesday, with a high of 79 expected, and again on Wednesday, with a high of 81 in store.

There was a large group of guests who were on hand for the first of two practices yesterday at Redwood Middle School. It was a light practice, with not a lot of contact.

They got to see wide receiver Mike Williams go up high in the end zone to catch a touchdown pass. They also saw running back Justin Fargas make a very nice catch while being defended by linebacker Robert Thomas along the sideline. Wide receiver Johnnie Morant got into the act, pulling in a TD reception. One of the top plays came when wide receiver Alvis Whitted caught a scoring pass from quarterback Andrew Walter.

Afterward, many of those same fans stood behind a temporary fence and got autographs from players making their way from the fieldhouse to the Napa Valley Marriott, the team’s summer headquarters.

The Raiders were scheduled to practice again this evening at 7 p.m. Head coach Lane Kiffin said it will be a padded practice.

Kiffin, the former co-offensive coordinator for national powerhouse Southern California, is working very closely with the offense in different drills.

Under Kiffin’s offensive leadership in 2006, USC finished first in the Pacific-10 Conference in passing efficiency, averaging 264 yards per game while producing a pair of 1,000-yard receivers and a 3,000-yard passer.

He was an assistant coach with the Trojans for six years.

-- Marty James
 
if the donks release him (if they havent) Teyo looked decent in NFLE from what I saw... I'd take him as one more TE for depth.

Is former USC TE Dominic Byrd still floating around? I could see him in Silver 'N' Black....
 
Knee injury thins tight-end group
Special teams also will miss Wakefield
By Steve Corkran
MediaNews
Article Launched: 08/07/2007 01:54:55 AM PDT




NAPA - Tight end Fred Wakefield sustained a right-knee injury Monday, and the Raiders are not optimistic about him returning any time soon.

"It looked pretty bad," Coach Lane Kiffin said. "We'll have more information on it, but it did not look very good at all."

Wakefield was hurt during a special-teams drill as he attempted to break free from a blocker. His knee buckled outward, causing him to fall. Six trainers tended to Wakefield before his leg was placed in a protective sleeve. He was carted off the field and underwent further testing.

The Raiders, who jettisoned tight ends Courtney Anderson and Randal Williams within the first 10 days of training camp, already are without tight end James Adkisson. John Madsen, Zach Miller and Tony Stewart are the only healthy tight ends on the roster.

Fortunately for the Raiders, Adkisson's hamstring injury is almost healed.

"I'm ready to roll as soon as they let me out of the training room," Adkisson said.

Miller has made a huge push toward earning the starting spot held by Anderson the past three years. Madsen, Adkisson, Stewart and Wakefield are competing for the two backup spots.

"I'm ready to break out," Adkisson said. "The biggest thing holding me back has been injuries. If I can avoid the injuries, I feel as if I'm ready to contribute to this offense."

Starting left defensive end Derrick Burgess (hernia surgery) was removed from the physically-unable-to-perform list and practiced


for the first time since camp began July 27. He was limited to individual and position drills Monday. Kiffin held Burgess out of full-squad drills as a precaution.
Running back Justin Fargas reached over linebacker Robert Thomas for an underthrown pass from Andrew Walter to make an acrobatic catch for a touchdown.

The Raiders placed linebacker Isaiah Kacyvenski (knee) on the injured-reserve list. He is ineligible to play for them this season.

Oakland signed defensive tackle Larry Brown. He was with the Raiders for a little more than a month during the off-season but was released June 12.

Defensive lineman Tyler Brayton missed practice because of an elbow injury and is day to day, Kiffin said.
 
Echemandu's arrival has resulted in coaches' exits

Tom FitzGerald

Tuesday, August 7, 2007

Coach Lane Kiffin says running back Adimchinobe Echemandu might be "the surprise player" of the Raiders' training camp. That's good news for the former Cal star, but in terms of job security, it might not be the best development for Kiffin.

The Browns drafted Echemandu in 2004. He rushed eight times - the only eight carries of his pro career. Cleveland coach Butch Davis resigned that year after a 3-8 start.

Let go in 2005, he joined the Vikings. Coach Mike Tice was fired at the end of the season.

Apparently oblivious to the unfortunate pattern, Kiffin lauded Echemandu for "working extremely hard running the ball and taking care of it. He's got a ways to go with some other stuff, picking up the whole playbook. ... But we've been very pleased with his performance."

Echemandu figures to see quite a bit of action in the preseason games, beginning Saturday night against Arizona. And when the season starts, he might have a golden opportunity because Dominic Rhodes, the team's key free-agent acquisition, will sit out a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's drug policy. Meanwhile, 2006 starter LaMont Jordan is nursing a lower back injury.

"Dominic is a great running back," Echemandu said. "He'll be sorely missed those first four games. I don't know if it's a break, but more of an opportunity. The more chances you get to be on the field, the more chances you have to show what you can do."

Echemandu probably didn't endear himself to Kiffin in 2003 when he rushed for 147 yards in Cal's 34-31 triple-overtime upset of then-No. 3 USC. Kiffin coached the Trojans' wide receivers that year before moving up to passing game coordinator the next year.

The cousin of Raiders cornerback and former Cal teammate Nnamdi Asomugha, Echemandu joined the Raiders last year but played only on special teams.

As for his alma mater, Echemandu predicts Justin Forsett will be a more-than-adequate replacement at tailback for Marshawn Lynch and the Bears will win the national championship.

"They've missed the Rose Bowl in the past because of disrespect for the Pac-10 and our program," he said. "The only way to get beyond that is to go undefeated, beat USC, beat UCLA."

Briefly: Defensive end Derrick Burgess, who led the NFL in sacks with 16 in 2005, took part in his first practice of the season Monday morning after undergoing hernia surgery in early July. He took part in limited drills and said he would take things "day-to-day."... Backup tight end Fred Wakefield injured his knee in a special-teams drill and was carted off the field. ... Defensive end Tyler Brayton missed practice with an elbow injury and abdominal bruise. ... Defensive tackle Larry Brown, a rookie who was in the Raiders' minicamp, rejoined the team. ... A couple of nice catches in the morning session: Justin Fargas reached behind a linebacker's helmet to gather in a touchdown pass from Andrew Walter in a drill, and Ronald Curry made a one-hand grab from Josh McCown in a two-minute drill. ... Also in the morning, Stuart Schweigert grabbed an interception off McCown, Duane Starks broke up a long pass from Walter and the session ended on a 50-yard pass from McCown to Alvis Whitted. ... Linebacker Isaiah Kacyvenski (knee) was placed on injured reserve. ... Quarterbacks McCown, Walter and newcomer Daunte Culpepper all will play Saturday, Kiffen said, but he declined to disclose the order they'll appear. ... For the second day in a row, a "two-a-day" schedule was limited to one morning session.
 
Raiders think ex-USC star Williams may be worth the wait

Steve Corkran

08/07/2007


NAPA — For Mike Williams, it always seems to be about weight. He had the weight of sitting out of football for 19 months after a failed attempt to enter the NFL after his sophomore season at USC.
He entered the NFL in 2005 with the weight of being the 10th player selected in the NFL draft by the Detroit Lions. From there, his weight became the hot-button issue.

Now, he only has the weight of trying to recapture the magic that made him such a hot commodity coming out of Southern California and trying to make the Raiders' 53-man, opening-day roster at wide receiver.

Sure, his weight has been an issue with the Raiders, Williams said, but not as much as it was during a tumultuous two-year stint with the Lions, where things soured so badly that he landed behind quarterback Josh McCown on the depth chart. At wide receiver, that is.

"When I (check) in, it's just about football," Williams said. "I don't have to worry about the coaches being on me about this, or the organization on me about that. It's a relief. That's the last thing I'm worried about now. It's a long road ahead of me."

Williams' road to where he standstoday was filled with legal potholes, organizational obstacles and continuous tests of his resolve.

Suffice to say, few envisioned such a bumpy ride for a player who totaled 176 receptions for 2,569 yards and 30 touchdowns in his two seasons at USC.

His troubles began when he hired an agent and declared himself eligible for the 2004 draft. A court ruling blocked Williams from entering the NFL before his junior season, and the NCAA compounded matters by refusing to reinstate his eligibility.

All seemed right again when the Lions selected Williams No. 10 overall. He caught 29 passes for 350 yards and one touchdown during his rookie season, under coach Steve Mariucci, but he all but disappeared last season under new coach Rod Marinelli and offensive coordinator Mike Martz.

Williams sparred with coaches, showed up late to meetings and missed prescribed weigh-in targets in a season in which he caught only eight passes for 99 yards and one touchdown. The Lions traded him and McCown to the Raiders for a fourth-round draft pick in April.

Williams said he wondered, "What's next?" when the Lions fired Mariucci after the 2005 season. Martz tipped him off by informing Williams that he "wasn't his kind of guy" coming out of college.

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin was at USC when Williams, 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, ran roughshod over defensive backs. He intends to capitalize on Williams' size and not let it be a distraction.

"That is a value, obviously," Kiffin said, "his size and being able to keep people away from him. That goes back to when he's right, he's a dangerous red-zone player. ... There are good ways to use him down there. But he's got to get better."

Signs of Williams' progress showed during a recent practice when he beat standout cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on two plays that he turned into touchdowns. He has made a habit of catching everything thrown his way.

That's the player McCown remembers seeing last season, when both were relegated to long stints on the sideline.

"Mike can be a really good receiver in this league," McCown said. "He's got unbelievable talent. It's just him getting in a comfort level to make the most of his talents. Consistency is the thing for Mike. Some guys, I've seen it a lot through the course of my career, when a guy doesn't really feel comfortable or doesn't want to be somewhere, people don't work very hard."

Williams' wait for NFL stardom soon might end — one way or another.
 
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