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Trade winds likely a soft breeze

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on October 16th, 2006
The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday, and most likely it will pass with the Raiders and every other team letting it pass quietly with some smal talk and no action.

Randy Moss fanned the flames a little on his weekly Fox Sports radio spot, telling host Chris Myers, “It’s been brought to m y attention there might be a trade. To whom or to what, I don’t know. I’m fresh off the game, I got in late, and I had to come in early.'’

Moss, who seemed upbeat following the 13-3 loss to Denver in the visiting locker room Sunday night, seemed OK with either scenario.

“Like I said last week, if they feel knowing next year the cap number for me being so high and they would need or wouldn’t mind trading me, I wouldn’t mind being traded,'’ Moss said.

Moss has a salary cap number of just over $11.7 million in 2007 and a little over $13.2 million in 2008. Removing his name from the books would save the Raiders more than $7 million next season.

Any team that deals for Moss picks up approximately $5.1 million in pro-rated salary this season and salaries of $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008.

But when it comes to making deals, Al Davis isn’t fond of dump jobs. He wants either top dollar (or millions of dollars) and probably multiple draft picks that would include a No. 1.

It would be hard to imagine that Jerry Porter, currently under suspension for conduct detrimental to the team, has much trade value at this point. Dealing him would mean a $6.45 million cap acceleration in 2007. Davis’ original demand of a $4 million bonus repayment would shave that amount from the cap hit.

Coach Art Shell, when asked if there were any deals possible for Porter, said, “Not that I know of.'’

In-season deals of the kind that sent Eric Dickerson from the Rams to the Colts in a three-way trade that also sent Cornelius Bennett from Buffalo to Indianapolis are rare. The Dallas Cowboys rebuilt their franchise with an October trade that sent Herschel Walker to Minnesota for payload of draft picks.

Shell remembers the Raiders acquiring Mike Haynes from New England during the season in 1983 as one of the key moves in a Super Bowl run. The Raiders sent the Patriots a No. 1 and a No. 2 draft pick.

“Over the last 10, 11, 12 years, there hasn’t been a whole lot of movement,'’ Shell said. “People are beginning to keep their own players. They’re trying to hold on to what they have, unless there’s something out there that they think is of value to their team and that they don’t have to give up a lot to get that value.”

Monday news and notes:

– RB Justin Fargas, who had to have his shoulder popped back into place and missed the second half of the Denver loss, may be available sooner than expected. Fargas and Shell both said it wasn’t as bad as first feared.

Just a guess, but Fargas won’t be playing this week against Arizona, however.

– CB Fabian Washington said he plans to push his hamstring this week in practice and hopes to be back in the starting lineup.

– RT Langston Walker reported having a headache after missing much of the Denver game with a concussion after being kicked in the head. When asked if he’d had a concussion before, Walker said, “Not that I remember.'’

Funny guy.

– Someone put out an APB for Ronald Curry. Oakland’s most relaible receiver the past couple of weeks was on the field for maybe 10 plays against Denver as the Raiders went to more double-tight end sets instead of those with three-wide receivers.

When the Raiders use two receivers, Moss and Alvis Whitted are on the field. Shell said it wasn’t out of the question for Curry to be used along with Moss.

Considering Oakland is currently an offense which springs the occasional big play but has trouble with sustained drives, having a big target who knows how to get open beyond the first down marker seems to be a no-brainer. Curry should be playing a lot more.

– Watching the Raiders unsuccessfully attempt to sweep around end with LaMont Jordan against what might be the NFL’s fastest set of linebackers brought to mind the days when 49ers fans would chant “No more sweeps, no more sweeps'’ every time Roger Craig was hit for a loss or stopped for no gain on a horizontal dash.

– Shell said he is not concerning himself with Porter could successfully appeal his four-game suspension.

“That will take care of itself in due time,'’ Shell said. “The only thing I’m concerned about right now is this football team.'’

– Aaron Brooks left the Raiders Sunday night to be with his wife, who expect their first child.
 
– Aaron Brooks left the Raiders Sunday night to be with his wife, who expect their first child.

Why do I see an 8 pound Bubba Bleu when I read this?
 
Moss to the Patsies seems to be the rumor with the most steam... Maybe Brady's unhappiness in trading Branch and Branch posting two touches yesterday expedites something?... getting one of the Pats first rounders would be great, but I have a feeling Moss would blow up in NE and we'd endlessly have to hear about our starting WR's being in Patsie land...

Speaking of Gabes:

With the trading deadline tomorrow, WR Doug Gabriel was asked about two of his former Raider teammates, Randy Moss and Jerry Porter. How would he feel if the Patriots acquired Moss? “I think he would be a fit in this offense,” said Gabriel, who last spoke with Moss on Saturday but was unaware of any trade talks. “He’s a guy that loves to work. I’ve said it a million times, if Randy was here, every other receiver would want to pick up their games 110 percent. When he came out there [in Oakland], he made me step my game up. … Randy probably works harder than any person I know. He’ll do whatever it takes. That’s one thing, I guess, that people don’t know about him.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
 
hawaiianboy said:
– Someone put out an APB for Ronald Curry. Oakland’s most relaible receiver the past couple of weeks was on the field for maybe 10 plays against Denver as the Raiders went to more double-tight end sets instead of those with three-wide receivers.

When the Raiders use two receivers, Moss and Alvis Whitted are on the field. Shell said it wasn’t out of the question for Curry to be used along with Moss.

This is baffling unless we're slow rolling Curry. Whitted is James Jett reincarnated, the proverbial cock roach after the nuclear holocaust.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
Calling Whitted James Jett is a huge insult to Jett.

Jett was reasonably productive a couple years.
i totally agree. whitted is also garbage on deep routes.
 
The only year Jett did anything was the "oh shit, we're behind by 10 touchdowns, start slinging the ball around, George!" year we went 4-12. Now, if we're talking daytrading skillz, Jett wins hands-down. Otherwise, I could give two shits about either of them as starting WRs.
 
He caught a TD pass in the Snow Job game. That's worth something.

Hell I'd take Jett over Whitted in a New York minute.
 
Jett also had a breakout rookie campaign. Whitted had... yeah.
 
How sad is it that in the past two offseasons we have been looking to rank the Raiders recieving core up there with the best in the league. And now we are comparing the #2 to James Jett.
 
From PFT

MOSS TO PATS RUMORS GATHERING STEAM

Our network of NFL sources is buzzing with talk that the New England Patriots are trying to work a trade with the Raiders for receiver Randy Moss. "It's getting strong," a league source told us a little while ago.

The trading deadline is 4:00 p.m. EDT today.

A week ago our sleuthing could turn up no proof that such a move was possible. But the same gut feeling that had us convinced Neil Rackers would miss that late-game field goal last night for the Cardinals has us thinking that Moss could be making the trip to Massachusetts soon.

Then again, it was that same gut feeling that told us the Raiders would advance to the Super Bowl in Randy's first year with the team.

On Monday, Patriots receiver Doug Gabriel, who was traded from Oakland to New England several weeks back, talked openly about reuniting with Moss. "He can be a fit in this offense because he's a guy who loves to work," Gabriel said. "If Randy was here, he'd make every other receiver want to pick up their game. He made me step my game up. He came and gave us a big push -- not just a small push, a big push -- and made us step up our game."

The obvious argument against such a trade is that the turd-averse Patriots wouldn't want a guy like Moss around. But that same claim could be made about running back Corey Dillon, who was a turd extraordinaire in Cincinnati before being traded to the Pats.

The possible difference is that Randy's turdishness comes from a desire to win games, and a guy like Terrell Owens is more of a me-first, me-only problem child. If our thinking is accurate, then Moss and Dillon have a lot in common.

Besides, we think the Pats realize that the receiver position attracts and/or creates prima donnas. Hell, they drafted Chad Jackson, whom one team took back to the airport early after a horrendous visit in which his cell phone went off twice during a meeting with the head coach. At one point during the visit with said team, Jackson muttered, "I don't want to play here anyway."

The thinking (we think) is that Moss can be influenced by the leadership structure already in place, including quarterback Tom Brady, defensive lineman Richard Seymour, and coach Bill Belichick.

Another consideration is the compensation to the Raiders. The Pats already have an extra first-round pick, courtesy of the Deion Branch trade. And if Moss still has his magic, the notion of essentially trading Moss for Branch is a major upgrade, in our view.

Finally, Moss would have to be willing to restructure his contract, which includes salaries of $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. The Pats likely would want to move a lot of that money into a signing bonus (or a 2006 roster bonus), reducing the cap hits in coming years -- and possibly extending the contract into 2009 and beyond.

It's a gutsy move for all concerned, but it might be the best thing for everyone involved. The Pats can reload for another Super Bowl run. The Raiders can start to build for the future by getting value for a guy they might have had to cut in the offseason. And Moss can take the stick out of his butt and chase a championship again.


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Raiders WR Moss good fit for ex-teammate Gabriel

HOWARD ULMAN
Associated Press

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - Doug Gabriel is getting more comfortable with the New England Patriots six weeks after they acquired him from Oakland. He thinks other Raiders wide receivers also might fit in.

Randy Moss and Jerry Porter.

The NFL trading deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m. Oakland is 0-5 with an NFL-low 50 points. Moss has just 17 catches and has criticized coaches and teammates. Porter demanded a trade at the start of training camp, was inactive the first four games and was suspended by the Raiders on Saturday for four more.

Gabriel says Moss is misunderstood and doesn't deserve the reputation as a selfish player.

"He can be a fit in this offense because he's a guy who loves to work," Gabriel said Monday after the Patriots returned from a four-day break in their bye week. "If Randy was here, he'd make every other receiver want to pick up their game."

Gabriel played three seasons in Oakland, the last two with Moss. This season, the Raiders have been without Porter, their leading receiver last season who has watched games from the sideline.

"He made me step my game up," Gabriel said of Moss. "He came and gave us a big push - not just a small push, a big push - and made us step up our game."

The Patriots' wide receiver group has changed dramatically. Troy Brown is the only holdover from last season. The others are Gabriel, Reche Caldwell, Chad Jackson and Jabar Gaffney, who signed last week after being released by Philadelphia.

Are more changes coming before the deadline?

"I have no idea," coach Bill Belichick said Monday. "Sometimes you're working on something for a couple of weeks and it never happens. Other times, you're not really thinking about something and it comes together in a day or so."

Oakland coach Art Shell said Monday it "remains to be seen" whether Moss or Porter is traded.

"It takes two parties to make it happen," he said, "but right now I don't know of any movement coming about."

Porter might be more likely to be traded because of his differences with Shell. They butted heads about Porter's offseason workout plans and Porter was suspended without pay Saturday for insubordination. The NFL Players Association appealed the suspension on Monday.

"It was a combination of things, there were a couple of things that happened over the course of the week and there were some things that happened over time," Shell said.

Would Porter fit in any better with the Patriots?

"I don't know," Gabriel said. "That's up to the organization to make a decision on that. If he comes here, I hope he comes here with a great attitude, ready to work."

Shell said Porter's work habits weren't a problem, but hasn't elaborated on why he was inactive.

"I don't know what's going on around there," Gabriel said. "I hope it works out for him."

Moss and Porter could give the Patriots a deep threat they lacked since they clashed with their own top receiver, Deion Branch. After a long contract holdout, they finally traded Branch to Seattle after the first game of the season.

Moss has said he'd welcome a trade if Raiders management thought it would help them.

Gabriel developed a friendship with Moss and the two spoke on the phone Saturday.

"We didn't talk about football. He actually had an argument on the phone with my son," Gabriel said, smiling about that good-natured chat.

Moss is "very misunderstood," he said. "You can be around him probably 30 minutes to an hour and you can see the difference. Your cheeks might be hurting because you're laughing so much."

So might the Patriots and Moss be a good fit?

"If he's here, you'll see," Gabriel said.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...s/california/northern_california/15774739.htm
 
Actaully I hope it happens.

But I'm not really that optimistic that anything will get done.. Al would want to bend them over the dinning room table hard.
 
2 hours, 37 minutes to get a deal done...
 
I would like to see the move made, but time is really ticking away.
 
It does seem to be a win-win for both teams. Of course the #1 pick will be low, we could always package that #1 plus something else move up (or not), either way, I'd jump on this. Strange, I loved the Moss trade when it went down. Go figure.
 
Forget it..

From PFT ---
POSTED 1:27 p.m. EDT, October 17, 2006

NO MOSS IN NEW ENGLAND

As Tom Curran of NBCSports.com reports, and as we separately have confirmed, the Oakland Raiders won't be trading receiver Randy Moss to the New England Patriots.

Although a league source with knowledge of the situation in Oakland tells us that a last-minute trade of Moss hasn't been ruled out, an industry insider explained to us on Tuesday morning that owner Al Davis is unwilling to acknowledge that his team is bad, and is likewise unwilling to concede that point to the rest of the world by trading the previously perennial Pro Bowler.

But there definitely was increased talk in league circles about a deal getting done, and a move to New England would have made sense. Still, Davis is the guy with the final say, and if he's not willing to do it, it isn't going to happen.

The general impression we get is that there haven't even been serious trade discussions involving Moss or fellow disgruntled wideout Jerry Porter. There was interest within the Steelers' organization as to both of them last week, with a preference for Porter. As we're now told, however, the issue never made its way to the desk of coach Bill Cowher for a decision.

We also reported a couple of weeks back that Jaguars assistant coach Mike Tice was lobbying for the team to make a move for Moss. Tice was not, by all appearances, successful in persuading the key people to give it a try.
 
Much ado about nada...

Not a single trade made by anybody today and only one made this week... I thought the NFL was supposed to be more trade friendly?... It would sure make things more interesting for the fans of bad teams...
 
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