Tracking our offense, by the numbers

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I enjoy quantifying this mess with numbers... I'll do weekly updates...

As of being 2-5:

Dead last in the entire league in:

-Yards per game
-Yards per play
-First downs per game
-Completion percentage
-Passing yards per game (by 30)
-Passing TDs
-INTs thrown
-Sacks allowed
-Sack yardage allowed
-Rushing TDs
-Total TDs
-Turnovers

2nd worst in:

-Offensive plays run
-Points per game

3rd worst in:

-Fumbles

4th worst in:

-Time of possession

5th worst in:

-Rushing first downs

*Edited to include our second half offensive outputs, per HB:*

Game 1: 0
Game 2: 3
Game 3: 0
Game 4: 7
Game 5: 3
Game 6: 3
Game 7: 3

Average: 2.7 second half offensive points per game
 
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You know, it would take a little working of the numbers, but that points per game # includes defensive scores. you'd have to check the other bottom feeders to see if their defenses and special teams have contributed to their total points scored to see where we really rank. Something tells me we drop a position there.
 
Ugh...

Al has got to seriously ill because I just can't see him standing for an offense this brutally bad.....


Watching the Pats offense made me want to kill myself...

Four and five receivers out in a pattern on every pass play... the passing tree extended from top to bottom... ball out of the QB's hand quickly...ball dumped to safety valves when pressure comes to the QB... forced the defense to defend both vertically and horizontally... It was like watching our 2002 offense with more vertical routes added to it...


Fug a bunch of crayola drawn crap that we're running... :mad:
 
Rupert said:
You know, it would take a little working of the numbers, but that points per game # includes defensive scores. you'd have to check the other bottom feeders to see if their defenses and special teams have contributed to their total points scored to see where we really rank. Something tells me we drop a position there.


Come on man... that's just cruel... Like knocking points off a monkey's SAT score for spelling his name wrong...


I know you don't want to hear it, but supposedly Link Kennedy said on KNBR Monday that he heard from someone directly in the Raiders organization that a big announcement is coming Wednesday when the team comes back... Of course speculation is that Walsh has been reassigned... These rumors are most often toothless/wishful thinking, but with Brown, Kennedy, Madden and Gannon less than complementry about the offense scheme/production over the last 3 weeks or so, Al may just pull the plug...
 
I been thinking about that patriot line all day... that's got to be the best pass blocking line in the league.

The Vikings aren't a great defense, but they've been playing pretty good and they got alotta talent in the front seven... even when they brought the house, every man was picked up... I don't once recall seeing someone shoot through untouched, all night... you know, like happens almost every time Walter drops back for a pass :(
 
hawaiianboy said:
Ugh...



Watching the Pats offense made me want to kill myself...

Four and five receivers out in a pattern on every pass play... the passing tree extended from top to bottom... ball out of the QB's hand quickly...ball dumped to safety valves when pressure comes to the QB... forced the defense to defend both vertically and horizontally... It was like watching our 2002 offense with more vertical routes added to it...

You too? That was a clinic out there and with a rookie and 2nd year guy starting on the OL.
 
Oh BTW, to make you you more ill, Ryan O'Callaghan was the 5th round pick we sent the Pats
 
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hawaiianboy said:
I know you don't want to hear it, but supposedly Link Kennedy said on KNBR Monday that he heard from someone directly in the Raiders organization that a big announcement is coming Wednesday when the team comes back... Of course speculation is that Walsh has been reassigned... These rumors are most often toothless/wishful thinking, but with Brown, Kennedy, Madden and Gannon less than complementry about the offense scheme/production over the last 3 weeks or so, Al may just pull the plug...
Who says I don't want to hear it? I see the problem as bigger than Walsh, but that doesn't mean I'm not evaluating him. I've never said Walsh is great. I've never said he's doing everything well. I've been saying it's too soon, and the situation hasn't allowed a proper evaluation.

The funny thing is, I was at lunch today drawing up ways to spread the field using 2 WR, 2 TE's and 1 RB and keep a lane for the RB so the QB doesn't have to loft the ball over the DE. What I liked best was putting the RB 4-5 yards deep on the guard's outside leg. It's not completely balanced as a run formation, but it does allow you to run a bunch/flood concept to the RB side. you can keep your front-side or back-side TE in to block or send the TE's out and keep the RB in.

Our play mix has been awkward, our execution spotty, and our response to blitzes essentially uniform (keep more blockers in).

I'll tell you, if I was the GM, I'd have already had performance threshholds in place. I wasn't too concerned about where we were going until last week when we slid back to weeks 1 and 2. We should have been better against Pittsburgh on offense, no question about it. Watching Dallas Sunday should have been enough for anyone to see what can be done with a rookie QB.

Part of my ongoing analysis has been to look for signs of progress. Up until Sunday I saw some. Sunday, to me, was indicative of disorganization. An organized approach should have relatively organized progress. Without a significantly new gameplan, we slid backwards to day one. Even allowing for one more week and game Monday, and getting what would reasonably be considered progress from Week 7, I'd be concerned about a repeat of the Pittsburgh performance at random intervals in the future.

We were better against Denver and Arizona. If our offense had been as coherent as it was against Denver I wouldn't have been too upset. It wasn't. It was scattered. It seemed to be testing things instead of establishing a methodology. And I especially didn't like play action against run blitzes with deep routes. We took our RB's out of the best position to pass block. Ugly. I see that as a gross miscalculation.

I'm not as concerned about needing things like screen/swing/flat passes and 3-step drops as some people are. I think 5-7 step drops can work in today's NFL. And I 've seen plays in Walsh's offense that can be put together to make us successful. What I haven't seen is us consistently executing our plays. Not just players screwing up now and then, but a seemingly random manner of execution breakdowns that indicate disorganization. Whether that is a practice issue, or a planning issue, I can't be certain since I'm not privvy to those sessions. But certain complementary elements of the offense don't appear to be drilled enough (like screens and swing passes). When is the last time we ran a TE screen? I think it was week 2. Do we leave those things out of the game plan because we dropped every one of them? We run 1 or 2 RB screens a week, every one of them has looked unrehearsed. I'm far more concerned about those things. It's why I keep going back to execution. I don't think we're doing the things we need to be doing in practice, and I don't think we're getting solid game planning.

I was encouraged by Denver and Arizona, but Sunday made those performances look like luck, not like part of a plan.
 
You know what made me sick?

Seeing New England, which everyone said had crappy receivers, come out and dominate on offense playing mostly 5-wide.

How was this possible?

Because EVERY GAME is DIFFERENT, and the New England coaches recognize that. Minnesota plays great run defense, so the Patriots tailor their offensive game plan to exploit the Vikings' weaknesses while staying away from their strengths.

The Raiders simply haven't done anything like that since Callahan vs. Pittsburgh. Hell, even Gruden tried to run right at Baltimore.

You simply can't "take what you want" in the NFL all the time. But we keep trying to.
 
I think that is what some of us have been trying to say. We're just hell bent on doing what we want without regard for what the team on the other side of the LOS is doing...they're getting paid too. Makes no sense to me.

Last night Gab had 5 castches for 83 yards. ::shrug::
 
Ah, but to be able to use whatever plays you want, your players have to be able to execute the entire playbook. Like I've said elsewhere and before, execution takes repetition. If you just keep mixing it up you won't get the execution. How long has the New England playbook been in place? How long was the playbook that Callahan used in place? I think you've just made my point for me. I don't see all these brand new coaching staffs with new systems using a full playbook and making radical adjustments. People that's an entirely unrealistic expectation. If you want to become as versatile as New England it is going to take time, no if's and's or but's.
 
New England hasn't used that game plan all year, and probably not for several years.

Reche Caldwell is new. Chad Jackson is new. Doug Gabriel is new.

But they practiced that shit all week, and look how it paid off.
 
CrossBones said:
Last night Gab had 5 castches for 83 yards. ::shrug::

That just kills me every week.

When you're relying on Moss, and you've excommunicated Porter, you've got to have a guy who works hard all the time and has talent on the other side of the field. Gabriel was the only guy we had like that.

If we didn't get more than a 5th-rounder in that deal, I'm going to be pissed.
 
CrossBones said:
I think that is what some of us have been trying to say. We're just hell bent on doing what we want without regard for what the team on the other side of the LOS is doing...they're getting paid too. Makes no sense to me.

Last night Gab had 5 castches for 83 yards. ::shrug::

I don't think Gab would often have those stats with the Raiders, given our offensive line & QB play at present.

Still, it appears to me that Al was finally bested in a trade situation. I still wish Doug Gabriel all the best. Very likeable player.

Turning to our WR sitution, I'm now wondering if Art, Al and Jerry Porter are going to kiss & make up for 2007? I must admit, it might be better to keep Porter over Moss if given the choice. As much a fan of the Moss trade I was, his dropped passes and piss poor body language are beyond irritating.

I really don't want to see us draft a WR in the first round. Best RB, best D lineman or best O-lineman, franchise QB, I'll co-sign all those options, but not WR.

.....Unless of course these rook is the next THANG and we drop some $$$$$ on FA lineman. How's that for hedging my bets?
 
Gab should have netted a day one, pick and thinking about New England fleecing us yet again, pisses me off.

It better be a 3rd rounder when all is said and done, because Gab is gonna finish with a 50-750-8TD season or better, IMO. -Solid number 2-3 stats in this league.
 
I walked into a doug gabriel wallowing in regret sequence*stepping right back out*. before i do i gots no beef about it as long as whitted never sees the field again.:o
 
Jack's sore libido said:
New England hasn't used that game plan all year, and probably not for several years.

Reche Caldwell is new. Chad Jackson is new. Doug Gabriel is new.

But they practiced that shit all week, and look how it paid off.
Game plan and play book are two different things. The game plan consists of the plays you want to use from your play book. You've practiced almost everything in your play book at some point in time.

When a coaching staff has been around for several years, the players know the play book. Having a couple new players makes a difference, but teaching receivers a few routes and then combining them in different ways isn't that difficult. If the QB was new, then I'd see the problem. That isn't the case in New England and it wasn't the case with Callahan.

If you're trying to tell me they never practiced those plays this year, your connection is the shiznit.

Putting plays together in a different way is nothing new. Using plays you've never practiced is another thing altogether. And using plays you don't execute well is yet again another thing.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Gab should have netted a day one, pick and thinking about New England fleecing us yet again, pisses me off.

It better be a 3rd rounder when all is said and done, because Gab is gonna finish with a 50-750-8TD season or better, IMO. -Solid number 2-3 stats in this league.

I gotta believe there has to be some contingencies with the Gabriel deal. I just can't see Al just giving him away for no value in return.
 
All I know is that the Saints changed schemes, had their new QB miss the offseason and hit the ground running...

The Jets have looked better than us and they changed to the San Diego playbook with an OC that has never called plays before....

The Forty Niners switched from the West Coast offense to a power running vertical one and have looked better than us with poor O-line play...

The Dolphin's put in their backup QB and went to a no huddle to try and pick up their tempo...

We switched from Norv Turner's version of the power running, vertical offense to Walsh's version of the power running, vertical offense and went tits up...

This we're just not executing stuff may have more bite with me if we hadn't switched from a West Coast offense to a vertical one and scored more in Turner/Jimmy Raye's first year with alot of the same cast of characters, a mistake prone QB, a shaky O-line and Amos freakin Zeroue running the ball... We didn't look great under Raye, but we didn't look totally inept either...

It's never a good sign when an opposing coach like Cower says our offense is easy to prepare for... Walsh has either got to make some adjustments with his approach or we've got to play some backups capable of doing something with his play calls... The combination of Walsh's playbook and the players we have obviously isn't working....

JMO...
 
Execution is not an isolated factor. You can execute better if the plays you select are well suited to what you do, and what the opposite team calls up on defence.

Specially, execution is harder when they are expecting some kinda of play yuo're gonna call, like the obvious situation of third and long. It's clear the will concentrate on pass defence, and if you call up a run play, they are ready to give up some yards instead of the first down. Also when your gameplan doesn't fit, execution becomes harder and harder.

So it's not just a matter of selecting things from the yellow book, it's all linked, and if you miss a factor, the rest of things probably won't work.
 
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