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Word out of Detroit is that Kevin Jones could miss all of next season with the dreaded Lisfranc injury.

Wonder if the Lions wise up and take Adrian Peterson.

I just hate the idea of Quinn even being available for the Raiders.
 
yea I meant to say something about this. Peterson is a lock for them be it they get the pick ahead of us. For the record Tampa Bay isn't far behind in the chase for the #1 pick. of course QB would easily be their 1st pick. Either we go for 1 or 3 to avoid Quinn? Hard to say, but even he is available, I doubt we bite on him. Especially if LSU whoops on the Irish every other top tier school has this year.

I apologize to anybody who likes him. but he's a hard sell IMO to a franchise that doesnt like waiting on qb's to blossom. Not to mention we knowingly provide the worst environment for them to. If we didnt have Walter(Al has more faith in him that Tui and kept Tui for quite awhile w/o drafting a qb), Brooks, and was bringing in a top tier vet qb and RB at the same time(yes all that at once would have to happen). Then I think we'd look at him. But otherwise Al likes his gambles to have some NFL experience at the qb position. Something that was further strengthened when he went out of the box of thinking to get the "USC" QB Maranovich who crumbled to pieces in the shitty environment we provided.

Excuse my pessimism , but no amount of crow eaten on earth could ease me being right about the bad that can come from us investing(whats the going rate for #1 holdout capable qb's at about 5 to 6 years?:( ) into Quinn. I think he has potential in the right set up to improve quickly, somewhere like Tampa Bay where they have a RB, Defense, and ST to support him in a west coast offense that will be able to keep it safe for him.

With all this said I could be wrong about the kid. But history says otherwise. Also to be fair to the raiders, Leinart has showed great poise and I think he'll be very good. But nothing to tell me he wouldnt be on his ass just as quick as Walter if he was here. Honestly Walter is screwed being here. This place is a brown hole shit for young qb's. I'm ok with that because we woulda never got Gannon or Hostetler if we weren't like we are. Nevertheless, If I was a young qb, I might do an Eli Manning. :o
 
Detroit is a good bet to lose out.

@GB
CHI
@DAL

We might be able to beat St. Louis or Kansas City in Oakland.

Tampa Bay finishes
@ CHI
@ CLE
SEA

I think they probably lose out, too, though the Seattle game might be winnable.

Tampa Bay would take Quinn in a heartbeat, which would suit me just fine.
 
sounds like alot of hoping there. theres the clinch factor to be remembered. If Chicago clinches, who says they play starters against detroit?same for Dallas if they lock up their spot in the playoffs.

Tampa could beat Cleveland fairly easy IMO. Us? i just dont know anymore. :(
 
Eh, it wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be adverse to taking Quinn...

Since Plunkett's early 80's heydey, we've had exactly one elite QB in Gannon and one 'good' QB in Hoss... Over the past four seasons we've seen nothing but Three Stooge like ineptness from the position... Andrew Walter is more or less wishful thinking based on what he's done so far... Who knows, maybe Quinn would be the start to turning things around?... Other than being from Notre Dame, I personally don't see a whole lot not to like about his game... JMO
 
AP still my guy... quinns on the list but hes far down it. I'd rather have leinart personally and i didnt want leinart at 8 last year.
 
hawaiianboy said:
Other than being from Notre Dame, I personally don't see a whole lot not to like about his game... JMO
yea nobody likes the Crying Irish. Still, I never had a problem recognizing their talented players for what they were(though its been less of them in recent years past). Can't say that I see anything horrible about him besides the fact that he's not all that great under pressure(the same problem Walter has had in his college career). Of course here that means more than anywhere else with our O-line..

I can't say its adverse to taking Quinn for me. Its adverse to us taking a qb over a RB. But not really as worried as Jack. I just dont see us flipping our track record on its head and drafting Quinn over the other people out there at more needed positions.

RB-You can get a gamebreaker that would make the requirements of your qb far less. Adrian Peterson Jihad continues.....

TE-Finally have someone who can block, catch, and serve as the type of weapon we've been getting owned against when we play against the other AFC West teams.

DT-We need a shaun Rogers type who can push the line and Pressure the qb. Resign Sands and you have some serious beef against the run. High ass pick for this position. But if they show some freakish ability.

DE-We could get something useful lower at this position. But againb if someone puts up some freakish numbers in the combine(ala mario williams), Al will give them a look I think.
 
hawaiianboy said:
Eh, it wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be adverse to taking Quinn...

Since Plunkett's early 80's heydey, we've had exactly one elite QB in Gannon and one 'good' QB in Hoss... Over the past four seasons we've seen nothing but Three Stooge like ineptness from the position... Andrew Walter is more or less wishful thinking based on what he's done so far... Who knows, maybe Quinn would be the start to turning things around?... Other than being from Notre Dame, I personally don't see a whole lot not to like about his game... JMO

I just think us taking Quinn would more resemble the Texans/Carr, Lions/Harrington, Bengals/Klingler/Akili, Browns/Couch, Chargers/Leaf, etc., than the Cowboys/Aikman or the Colts/Manning.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
Word out of Detroit is that Kevin Jones could miss all of next season with the dreaded Lisfranc injury.

Wonder if the Lions wise up and take Adrian Peterson.

I just hate the idea of Quinn even being available for the Raiders.

No worries brother Jack

Al wont take him

Look at how many games Leinart, Young and Cutler have won combined

Brady Quinn will fair the same results

He might turn out to be a solid QB, but its gonna take him 2-3 years

He aint no Peyton fuckin Manning

Fuck what ESPN says, the Raiders should and will pass on Quinn even if he is there at thier pick at 3 or whatever

Brady Quinn will NOT pay dividends this year

He's a certificate of deposit that matures in 3 years

Fuck that... gimmie earnings NOW !!!!!
 
Damnit!

I havn't really watched much of Peterson, but I was reading the PFW prospects rag at the bookstore the other day(I think this comes out before this last season) and they were basically comparing him to Eric Dickerson. Said he wasn't as fluid but was every bit as fast and ran harder, could get to the corner as quick as anyone in college football, and was a workhorse that could wear down a defense.

Damn, I want RB like that...
 
Ugly Nipples said:

Look at how many games Leinart, Young and Cutler have won combined


I haven't seen enough of Young to have an opinion, but tell you what I've seen Leinart enough to know that I'd LOVE to have Leinart in here as our QB going into his 2nd and 3rd year... IMO, we missed a great opportunity there... I'm currently on the Peterson bandwagon, but I hope we're not sitting here next offseason lamenting missing out on yet another young QB to build and grow with...

The prospect of sitting through another season with that mutt Aaron Brooks running things is not at all appealling...
 
I kind of agree with you here Hboy. There are alotta young QB's that are looking good around the league, and it'd feel really good to have a bright future here... the guy that kills me is Brees, that guy looks like he has total command ala Peyton Manning :(

Then I think about the decent prospects we've had here in Tui and Walter that havn't done squat, and I wonder what any of these other guys would be doing here?

Are we just selecting turds, or is the incredibly weak coaching and talent situation here the last several years making it impossible to develop any level of QB talent?

I just dunno :confused:
 
hawaiianboy said:
I haven't seen enough of Young to have an opinion, but tell you what I've seen Leinart enough to know that I'd LOVE to have Leinart in here as our QB going into his 2nd and 3rd year... IMO, we missed a great opportunity there... I'm currently on the Peterson bandwagon, but I hope we're not sitting here next offseason lamenting missing out on yet another young QB to build and grow with...

The prospect of sitting through another season with that mutt Aaron Brooks running things is not at all appealling...


I hear ya.. I just cant stomach going through 2 years of a young gun slinger "learning the ropes"

We gotta start running the ball

It's the safest way outta this fuckin mess were in
 
Had we bit the bullet 3 years ago we would have a seasoned stud QB and we'd be ready to move onto a RB or stud WR...now we need all three. Great.

See, sooner or later you have to take that chance. We didn't do it for the last three years and we're still in the exact same situation now. So we get a RB. Now what if QB is still a problem? Square one. We've pissed away three years that we could have been grooming a QB prospect.

I'm still on the Lynch/Peterson bandwagon but if for some reason the man thought Quinn was the guy and we were in a position to get him I'd be fine with it.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
I just think us taking Quinn would more resemble the Texans/Carr, Lions/Harrington, Bengals/Klingler/Akili, Browns/Couch, Chargers/Leaf, etc., than the Cowboys/Aikman or the Colts/Manning.

I disagree.

I consider Quinn highly with the likes of Carson Palmer, and Ben Roethlisberger.

Big guys. Big arms. Mobile enough. Natural leaders. Won in college. Good pedigree. Fundimentally sound. No legal or off field troubles (Lets not forget everybodies boner of a second rounder has been suspended for the Buckeyes twice)

Not a LOT of question marks when you look at Quinn's makeup, IMO.

Personally, I like the Quinn in round one, Bush in round two scenario.

It wasnt too long ago that Bush was just a little bit behind Peterson as a prospect, and IMO Quinn is miles ahead of the pipsqueek from OSU as a prospect.
 
Byron2112 said:

Are we just selecting turds, or is the incredibly weak coaching and talent situation here the last several years making it impossible to develop any level of QB talent?


Maybe we decide to take QB's in weak QB years... The year we took Tui, every QB taken after Vick and Brees turned to crap... Not much was there for us after Charlie Frye went off the board the year we drafted Walter...

In 2004 when we were in perfect position to grab a guy, Phillip Rivers, Roethlisberger and Matt Shaub were available for the taking with a first day pick...

Last year Leinart and Cutler were there for us... Even with Lombardi pushing for Leinart, Al didn't pull the trigger... So if history is any indication, the chances we'd take Quinn are dim at best...

So knowing that, if I had my way, I'd try and send a pick to the Bears for Kyle Orton since they have first round money on Grossman and signed Griese for 5 years... Take Peterson and have Orton and Walter battle it out with the hope one of them will be the young QB we could rely on for a long while... At the worst we'd have two guys still on their rookie 3rd and 4th round contracts...


I crashed and burned wanting to take Roeth in 04 so I've given up, but as Bones said we have had our shots at some highly rated guys... Other than Gannon's stretch, it seems like we've been looking for a new QB every two years...
 
Kyle Orton?

The 9TD 13 INT and 13 fumble guy?

With the 51% completion rate and lowest QB rating of any starter in the NFL in two years last year?

Hmmm. Thomas Jones ran for 1300+ yards. Benson and Peterson had 4+ ypc averages and Chicago's defense was the second best statistically.

I'll remind you he crashed and burned in ending last year, throwing a 2 for 10, 6 for 14, 6 for 17 and 17 for 35 games.

I think there was a reason he was passed over by Rex Grossman and Griese on the depth chart.

I'd rather trade for Griese that Kyle Orton.

I'm starting to seriously think I am taking the QB position for the Raiders WAY too seriously. I think the days of trotting out a Kyle Orton or Bruce Gradkowski and having a solid team for 3+ years is not realisitic, or finding a new free agent 'hope' each year...
 
Byron2112 said:
Damnit!

I havn't really watched much of Peterson, but I was reading the PFW prospects rag at the bookstore the other day(I think this comes out before this last season) and they were basically comparing him to Eric Dickerson. Said he wasn't as fluid but was every bit as fast and ran harder, could get to the corner as quick as anyone in college football, and was a workhorse that could wear down a defense.

Damn, I want RB like that...
see him play and you'll see the marcus allen, bo jackson/eric dickerson/ hershal walker in his prime element he brings. But he may be faster than all of the above except Bo. See his work and you'll be on the AP Jihad. They dont build 'em like this often. and two of the times they did we snatched them up. I say we go for 3 if we can. The Lions scenario really causes issues. We have to pick ahead of them or we lose him.
 
Seraph24 said:
see him play and you'll see the marcus allen, bo jackson/eric dickerson/ hershal walker in his prime element he brings. But he may be faster than all of the above except Bo. See his work and you'll be on the AP Jihad. They dont build 'em like this often. and two of the times they did we snatched them up. I say we go for 3 if we can. The Lions scenario really causes issues. We have to pick ahead of them or we lose him.

I will say this:

No runningback has ever reminded me more of a Bo Jackson/Marcus Allen element than what AP could bring us.

I could live with that.:)
 
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