The Run/Blocking Scheme change?

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Whats everyone's opinion on the rushing scheme?

Its of the same breed that made Mike anderson and Reuben Droughns look far better than they were. Do you feeling it can have that same effect on our crop of underachieving RB's if Michael Bush proves not to be ready this year?
 
Raidermania12 said:
Whats everyone's opinion on the rushing scheme?

Its of the same breed that made Mike anderson and Reuben Droughns look far better than they were. Do you feeling it can have that same effect on our crop of underachieving RB's if Michael Bush proves not to be ready this year?
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Denver's running attack is predicated on one cut and go. I think Dominic Rhodes is going to flourish in the scheme but I question whether LJ is going to hit the hole fast enough to be successful in the scheme. Maybe he will though. Either way I think our running game will be much better than it was for the last several years.
 
well I don't actually think Rueen Droghuns is any faster than Lamont. In fact they are within the same mold imo.

I personally think it'll be more about Lamont's commitment to study/stick to the scheme and not try to improvise with his horrible step move. If he shows that commitment, then he may have a shot to post some decently inflated numbers to give us some serious value to trade him. But that all goes back to him doing something he's never done here. Studying, knowing, and sticking to the run blocking schemes.
 
The scheme will work great until it gets banned in week three.
 
gst8 said:
The scheme will work great until it gets banned in week three.
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The league would take a big hit if it tries to penalize us for doing the same things Denver does on a weekly basis. Of course nobody is sure just exactly what our blocking scheme actually is yet.
 
I think we do. its tom cable and greg knapp. neither guy has changed their style as far as i can remember. its much like alex gibbs system in denver. from what I understand its a little more disciplined though to not go for the knees so recklessly as they tend to do in denver.
 
Raidermania12 said:
from what I understand its a little more disciplined though to not go for the knees so recklessly as they tend to do in denver.
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I hope you are right. The thought of emulating that dung heap of a team makes me ill.
 
I think we'll see Jordan's struggles continue. If a guy dances behind the line of scrimmage like Jordan naturally does, moving to a zone-blocking scheme in which the runner has to choose his lane is doing him no favors. If Jordan were quick to the hole like Charlie Garner and ran with some downhill power, we'd be set.

I'm hoping Rhodes can be a better downhill guy, but haven't seen enough of him yet to make that determination. I think it will be a challenge to get a consistent 100-yd game for our RB's this year.
 
If Jordan is to succeed in this scheme he will have to trust his linemen....In this scheme you get the rock and hall ass to the "hole" or "gap" being called during the play, read the hips and make a cut. He can't dance and wait for something to open. If I'm not mistaken they ran this in New York and I think he will be ok. I would like to see him lose 7-10 lbs with Rhodes in the mix. What I find funny is, If Fargas wasn't built like a (4) yr old girl, he could probably be the most productive out of the three in this scheme.
 
Well Fargas seems to be doing better since he increased his muscle mass last offseason. I also think he could be a sleeper. In fact all he does is cut and go for the most part. Its whether he can break tackles or make guys miss once he gets past the line of scrimmage(something thats considered to be a big factor in finding success in the scheme from at least shannyrat's perspective) that'll decide his fate i think.
 
I gotta agree with RaiderNation on Jordan. Turner's last season with us was a similar blocking scheme without all the cut blocking. Jordan never knew where he was going, even though the scheme was pretty straightforward.
 
Actually Rupert I dont think anyone of any right mind can dispute Jordan's Ignorance to the scheme. I only posed the hope that he's smarter/more determined than he was then when for the most part he flat out didnt even study the scheme. But the reality is that he'll probably hop step himself into a sea of whatever color we are playing against that week. With that said, when he does stick to the holes, he has looked like a very dangerous RB.

Again Michael Bush is the X-Factor in this. He's an even bigger load than Jordan to stop and has the acceleration we wish Jordan had. what he looks like in training camp will be a big factor in what we look like as a rb core this year.
 
Raidermania: Can't disagree with your hope. He's here, so I would think we all hope he shows us some fire and delivers on the promise he showed earlier in his career and in flashes with us.

Bush is essentially the writing on the wall for Jordan. Jordan will show us and the other 31 teams how much he wants another big-dollar contract. If all Bush does is finally get Jordan's juices flowing then he's made a solid impact. I think you're right though, Bush could take Jordan's spot with a good camp, even with Al Davis whispering in Kiffin's ear.

I'm personally looking forward to a very competitive RB camp. Even though they'll probably have to dodge a DL too often after the first whistle blows, I think solid play from the RB's could give the OL a little shot of confidence in both the scheme and themselves.

This scheme is more about occupying tacklers than man-handling them all over the field. The RB that finds the hole and accelerates the quickest is going to do the best.
 
Justin Fargas - Man, I mildly embarrased to admit this now, but I once predicted 1200+ yards and 10 TD's for Fargas going into the 2003 season. I knew that Tyronne was 'done', and I thought Fargas would rip things up with his speed and he's a much bigger RB than people seem to think. His problem has been durability and that is somewhat due to his inability to avoid huge collisions IMHO.

Still like the guy BTW.
 
Rupert said:
Raidermania: Can't disagree with your hope. He's here, so I would think we all hope he shows us some fire and delivers on the promise he showed earlier in his career and in flashes with us.

Bush is essentially the writing on the wall for Jordan. Jordan will show us and the other 31 teams how much he wants another big-dollar contract. If all Bush does is finally get Jordan's juices flowing then he's made a solid impact. I think you're right though, Bush could take Jordan's spot with a good camp, even with Al Davis whispering in Kiffin's ear.

I'm personally looking forward to a very competitive RB camp. Even though they'll probably have to dodge a DL too often after the first whistle blows, I think solid play from the RB's could give the OL a little shot of confidence in both the scheme and themselves.

This scheme is more about occupying tacklers than man-handling them all over the field. The RB that finds the hole and accelerates the quickest is going to do the best.
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Rup - I agree with you and I tend to think that Rhoads and Fargas will have an early advantage over Jordan. Bush? No idea what to think, but his presence does loom large doesn't it?

It's pretty nice to know that we have 2 potential solid-to-All Pro future starters at QB & RB to carry this team for the next 5+ years.

BTW, I don't recall hearing your feelings on the drafting of Russell (and Bush, Moses, etc. etc.)
 
RIVL: I'll break the draft down quick and dirty:

Russell - We'll see how quickly he gets up to speed, but he is the QB of the near future. Based upon what we have in camp, he could be starting later this season. And if that happens, he's likely to remain there forever.

Milller - He's the all-around TE we have been missing since, since, more than a decade. It's nice to be able to let projects work their way into becoming TE's rather being forced to deliver as unfinished products.

Moses - I like this pick a lot. I wonder if he's a traditional RDE and if he can play LDE. If he can play LDE he can back Burgess up out of the gate. If he's locked into the RDE mold he's more likely to come off the bench in passing situations for now.

Henderson - I'm not sold on this pick, but word is that he's projects well into our new blocking scheme. He's not likely to break into it this year, and next year might be a stretch too, but 3 years to develop an NFL tackle isn't bad.

Higgins - appears to be the burner with route skills we've never gone after. It will be interesting to see how he fits in, but it's nice to have a smaller guy to mix in with the giants.

Bush - is the near future "Thunder" in the popular thunder and lightning rushing attack (Fargas, Rhodes, and Lee are going to hold the lightning role until we draft that guy in 2008/9).

Bowie - is a good depth pick. I don't know if he has starting potential in his future, but I prefer having young backups instead of failing veterans in the secondary (wheels wheels wheels).

Richardson - Is he the traditional LDE to Moses's traditional RDE? Could he come off the bench with Moses to make sure RT's and LT's can handle both speed and power against our defense? I like the concept. He's going to be a solid performer for us. If he can play the right side, he can spell Huntley on run downs.

Frampton - is a bit small, but since we're flopping responsibilities in the deep secondary, he could be the right kind of aggressive hitter with enough speed to make it work.

Don't know much about O'Neal and Holland, but it's nice to have a rook FB in camp, and he's going to get to learn from one of the game's best.
 
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