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From Jerry McDonald's blog:
The poop on Shoop
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Friday at 4:06 pm
Tim Brown’s latest critique on the Raiders Friday morning included his observation on KNBR’s “Murph and Mac Show'’ that tight ends coach John Shoop may be involved in playcalling as the Raiders struggle to move the ball under the direction of offensive coodinator Tom Walsh.
“I hear they’re trying to make some changes, trying to go back to a couple of things that (Bill) Callahan and (Jon) Gruden were doing, but they have to do them in a very subtle way,'’ Brown said. “They have a young guy on that team, I can’t think of his name right now . . . he’s a quarterbacks coach who was with Gruden in Tampa and called plays in Chicago for awhile.'’
When asked if he was talking about Shoop, Brown said, “Yeah, Shoop. I think they’re going to try and get him involved in the playcalling a little bit more and see if they can make it happen.'’
Shell was asked about it Friday and managed to break into a smile.
“I don’t know where all this information is coming from, I really don’t,'’ Shell said “I look at these things sometimes and I just laugh and say it’s like somebody’s taking it and throwing it up against a wall and hoping it sticks . . . somebody will say something and then all of a sudden, `Oh, maybe that’s it.’ There’s no truth to that.'’
Even acknowledging the fact that the Raiders can move in mysterious ways _ Walsh could have his duties change and no one would know for weeks _ Brown’s scenario is unlikely.
Shoop did in fact work under Gruden for a year in Tampa Bay, but that would probably make him less likely to be Oakland’s next play caller rather than more likely.
Shoop also was an offensive coordinator for the Bears, orchestrating a conservative scheme for a defense-oriented team that was so reviled by Chicago fans there was a Web site entitled firejohnshoop.com.
After Norv Turner was fired, Shoop received an interview with Davis. Whether Davis was seriously considering Shoop as a head coaching candidate, only he knows for sure. But Shoop made a tactical error by talking about the interview with a Chicago reporter at the Senior Bowl. Davis would rather his assistant coaches be seen and not heard.
When Shell got the job, the word is Shoop was almost out of the loop. Shell hired Walsh as offensive coordinator with the blessing of Davis. Jim McElwain was hired out of Michigan State to coach quarterbacks and Shoop was named tight ends coach.
Unless Shell is full of hot air, he remains committed to Walsh and the offensive system, and he’s certainly not of a mind to encorporate the Gruden-Callahan system by increasing Shoop’s input.
Neither is Davis, who tolerated those offenses only because they won three consecutive division titles.
While Brown repeated his claim that the Raiders’ system is outdated and essentially obsolete, Shell said any tweaks to the offense would be minor. He talked earlier in the week of being more aware of underneath routes, but don’t expect the Raiders to suddenly begin flooding the field with 4-yard completions.
“I like our offense, and it’s not archaic, as some people think it is,'’ Shell said. “I look at some of the things we’re doing, some of the things we did in pre-season. We’re studying the 49ers, and some of the things we did against the 49ers (in pre-season), teams are using those same things. Is that archaic? No. It’s a copycat league.
“Teams have a certain idea of the system they want to run. You run a system you believe in, and you can’t be jumping all over the doggone board with your system because some might not think it’s the right system for you. You’ve got to do what’s best for your team. I like our system and what we do.'’
Other Brown observations Friday morning:
– On Jerry Porter’s exile on the inactive list: “I really think this is Art Shell. I don’t think this is Al Davis . . . if Art wanted him to play, he would be playing. But I think they got off to such a bad start . . . . both of them are so bull-headed that neither one can go and just restart their computer and get this thing going on the same page.
`Until one of them breaks, and says, `Hey, man, I apologize even though I don’t think I did anything wrong,’ then J.P. will be where is right now, not suiting up.'’
–On Randy Moss’ recent radio interview: “We taped our (televsion) show last evening, and we played it back 40 times because everyone wants to make sure we’re hearing what we’re hearing . . . those kinds of comments are deadly for a program, deadly for an organization that is already struggling. It sort of leaves the locker room even more devoid of leadership when a guy like Randy steps out and says something like that.'’
One of Brown’s comments brought to mind Rich Gannon’s memorable “state of the Raiders'’ address the day before Callahan was fired after the 2003 season.
That day, Gannon said, “I wouldn’t say I’d take a torch to the place, but it wouldn’t be far from it.'’
More than three years later, Brown is equally incendiary.
“I’m telling people right now, maybe they just need to get the old match, and the gasoline, and burn the whole thing up and start it all over, because what they have going now, it will take years and years before they can get all those same coaches and same players on the same page.'’
Shell said he and Walsh are weathering the assault which hits teams with losing records.
“Nobody likes to be criticized. I don’t care who you are,'’ Shell said. “But we understand that’s part of the business that we’re involved in, so you expect it. The only expectation everyone has is to win. You expect to win, and if you don’t win, the criticism will come. I understand it and he understands it.'’
From Jerry McDonald's blog:
The poop on Shoop
Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Friday at 4:06 pm
Tim Brown’s latest critique on the Raiders Friday morning included his observation on KNBR’s “Murph and Mac Show'’ that tight ends coach John Shoop may be involved in playcalling as the Raiders struggle to move the ball under the direction of offensive coodinator Tom Walsh.
“I hear they’re trying to make some changes, trying to go back to a couple of things that (Bill) Callahan and (Jon) Gruden were doing, but they have to do them in a very subtle way,'’ Brown said. “They have a young guy on that team, I can’t think of his name right now . . . he’s a quarterbacks coach who was with Gruden in Tampa and called plays in Chicago for awhile.'’
When asked if he was talking about Shoop, Brown said, “Yeah, Shoop. I think they’re going to try and get him involved in the playcalling a little bit more and see if they can make it happen.'’
Shell was asked about it Friday and managed to break into a smile.
“I don’t know where all this information is coming from, I really don’t,'’ Shell said “I look at these things sometimes and I just laugh and say it’s like somebody’s taking it and throwing it up against a wall and hoping it sticks . . . somebody will say something and then all of a sudden, `Oh, maybe that’s it.’ There’s no truth to that.'’
Even acknowledging the fact that the Raiders can move in mysterious ways _ Walsh could have his duties change and no one would know for weeks _ Brown’s scenario is unlikely.
Shoop did in fact work under Gruden for a year in Tampa Bay, but that would probably make him less likely to be Oakland’s next play caller rather than more likely.
Shoop also was an offensive coordinator for the Bears, orchestrating a conservative scheme for a defense-oriented team that was so reviled by Chicago fans there was a Web site entitled firejohnshoop.com.
After Norv Turner was fired, Shoop received an interview with Davis. Whether Davis was seriously considering Shoop as a head coaching candidate, only he knows for sure. But Shoop made a tactical error by talking about the interview with a Chicago reporter at the Senior Bowl. Davis would rather his assistant coaches be seen and not heard.
When Shell got the job, the word is Shoop was almost out of the loop. Shell hired Walsh as offensive coordinator with the blessing of Davis. Jim McElwain was hired out of Michigan State to coach quarterbacks and Shoop was named tight ends coach.
Unless Shell is full of hot air, he remains committed to Walsh and the offensive system, and he’s certainly not of a mind to encorporate the Gruden-Callahan system by increasing Shoop’s input.
Neither is Davis, who tolerated those offenses only because they won three consecutive division titles.
While Brown repeated his claim that the Raiders’ system is outdated and essentially obsolete, Shell said any tweaks to the offense would be minor. He talked earlier in the week of being more aware of underneath routes, but don’t expect the Raiders to suddenly begin flooding the field with 4-yard completions.
“I like our offense, and it’s not archaic, as some people think it is,'’ Shell said. “I look at some of the things we’re doing, some of the things we did in pre-season. We’re studying the 49ers, and some of the things we did against the 49ers (in pre-season), teams are using those same things. Is that archaic? No. It’s a copycat league.
“Teams have a certain idea of the system they want to run. You run a system you believe in, and you can’t be jumping all over the doggone board with your system because some might not think it’s the right system for you. You’ve got to do what’s best for your team. I like our system and what we do.'’
Other Brown observations Friday morning:
– On Jerry Porter’s exile on the inactive list: “I really think this is Art Shell. I don’t think this is Al Davis . . . if Art wanted him to play, he would be playing. But I think they got off to such a bad start . . . . both of them are so bull-headed that neither one can go and just restart their computer and get this thing going on the same page.
`Until one of them breaks, and says, `Hey, man, I apologize even though I don’t think I did anything wrong,’ then J.P. will be where is right now, not suiting up.'’
–On Randy Moss’ recent radio interview: “We taped our (televsion) show last evening, and we played it back 40 times because everyone wants to make sure we’re hearing what we’re hearing . . . those kinds of comments are deadly for a program, deadly for an organization that is already struggling. It sort of leaves the locker room even more devoid of leadership when a guy like Randy steps out and says something like that.'’
One of Brown’s comments brought to mind Rich Gannon’s memorable “state of the Raiders'’ address the day before Callahan was fired after the 2003 season.
That day, Gannon said, “I wouldn’t say I’d take a torch to the place, but it wouldn’t be far from it.'’
More than three years later, Brown is equally incendiary.
“I’m telling people right now, maybe they just need to get the old match, and the gasoline, and burn the whole thing up and start it all over, because what they have going now, it will take years and years before they can get all those same coaches and same players on the same page.'’
Shell said he and Walsh are weathering the assault which hits teams with losing records.
“Nobody likes to be criticized. I don’t care who you are,'’ Shell said. “But we understand that’s part of the business that we’re involved in, so you expect it. The only expectation everyone has is to win. You expect to win, and if you don’t win, the criticism will come. I understand it and he understands it.'’
