The OFFICIAL Russell sucks thread

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Brought to you by the Adrian Peterson jihad.


- First off, whose stupid assed idea was it to draft a QB in the 1st place?

- $30 million guaranteed for somebody to hold a clipboard for the next 12 months. :rolleyes:

- Russell hasn't won anything on any level in his entire career. He probably couldn't even win in Madden... why did we draft him #1 again?

- When was the last time we successfully developed a QB?

- I'll bet $100 that JRuss becomes the next DRuss.

- And to think we could have traded down, picked up an ass load of picks, and

... nevermind. I'm over it. Russell sucks.
 
Brought to you by the Adrian Peterson jihad.


- First off, whose stupid assed idea was it to draft a QB in the 1st place?

Al Davis and a highly respected college talent evaluator named Kiffin.
The best QB's in the NFL have been drafted by the team enjoying their success. Gannon's not walking through the door again (or Plunkett). They get this, why don't you?
- $30 million guaranteed for somebody to hold a clipboard for the next 12 months. :rolleyes:

That's about what any #1 pick would have got no matter who we drafted. Trade down for AP - Still kick out 17 m guaranteed plus whomever we else we would have drafted early with that ass-load of picks.
- Russell hasn't won anything on any level in his entire career. He probably couldn't even win in Madden... why did we draft him #1 again?
Well maybe he's won a little sumthin' sumthin'

Compiled a 25-4 mark as LSU’s starting quarterback
... The 25 wins ties with Warren Rabb as the third-highest total in LSU history ... Ranked second all-time at LSU in career completion percentage (61.9) and career touchdown passes (52) ... Also ranks third in career completions (493) and career passing yards (6,625) and fourth in career attempts (797) ... Is just the fourth player in school history to go over the 6,000 yard mark in total offense (6,704 yards) ... Capped career ranked No. 3 in school history with 6,704 yards of total offense, just one yard shy of tying Jeff Wickersham for second place in school history ... Only the fourth quarterback in LSU history to pass for over 6,000 yards ... Connected with WR Dwayne Bowe on 23 TD passes which ranks the pair as the most prolific pass-catch scoring combo in school history ... Has engineered eight fourth quarter or overtime victories during his career ... Leaves LSU with single-season records in touchdown passes (tied Matt Mauck with 28), completions (232) and completion percentage (67.8) ... Is the only quarterback to lead the Tigers at least 10 wins in back-to-back seasons ... Russell won 10 games as a starter in 2005 and followed that by starting all 11 victories in 2006.
- When was the last time we successfully developed a QB?
Ken Stabler
- I'll bet $100 that JRuss becomes the next DRuss.
I'll take the bet. $100. Done. How long does he have to not film a rape?
- And to think we could have traded down, picked up an ass load of picks, and

... nevermind. I'm over it. Russell sucks.

Go find a message board complaining about Leinert or Rivers right now because they held-out. This is only an issue now because we're jonesing in August. Come December no-one will care. Oh and Adrian Peterson will never be worthy of a #1 pick. :nono:
 
Calm down chief. A tongue-n-cheek thread in response to Bones' post on another thread. :rolleyes:
 
If I could do it all over again....

I'd take JR every time.

HE isnt personally answering calls and making financial decisions, and you can be damn sure he wants to toss the rock with his teammates.

I'm picking Aug 30th as his sign date, and I'll be wearing my new #2 JR jersey when he does.
 
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Russell Apologist #2 said:
If I could do it all over again....

I'd take JR every time.

HE isnt personally answering calls and making financial decisions, and you can be damn sure he wants to toss the rock with his teammates.

I'm picking Aug 30th as his sign date, and I'll be wearing my new #2 JR jersey when he does.

Bro... a couple of advil and a glass of OJ will do wonders for your hangova tomorrow.
 
I am happy with JR he gives us some hope. If we didnt draft him we would just be looking to take the next hot Qb in next years draft. At least this guy can throw a football 40 miles.
 
Reverse Psychology I Love it!!!!!!
 
The mistake we made when we passed on Leinart is looming larger and larger.
 
Looks like the Raiders are sending Russell a message, i.e. ``...we really don't care. We have three QB's in camp and we're moving forward with you or without you".

I still think the kid is making a big mistake missing all this time. This is how careers get sidetracked.
 
Thanks for the link AP.

Wow this sounds like we might have made a serious mistake with this guy. What I don't understand is why we didn't figure this out before the draft and either make a deal or decide to go in another direction.

Oh well, I'm not going to worry about it. As SoCal said, other teams (like San Diego) have fudged up the #1 pick and have picked themselves off the floor and become very good. The Raiders will do the same thing if this thing doesn't get resolved.

What is most troublesome at this point is I wonder just where this kid's head is.
 
I have a feeling Russell is sitting back at Mom's wondering wtf is going on. Eventually he'll come to realize that HE is in charge of his future, not his agent, and if he wants to play he'll put pressure on Metz to sign the contract. My guess is sometime before the end of preseason. If that were true, I'd still expect to see him get some gametime the last month of the season, which to me is the appropriate amount to play him his first year anyway.

If he doesn't sign and goes back into the '08 draft Raider nation will go off :mad:!
 
Russell, Raiders in big-bucks battle

By Tom Curran

Aug14, 2007

Why isn't JaMarcus Russell signed?

The answer may be tied to a decision made by Houston Texans owner Bob McNair in April of 2006. McNair, having had enough of Reggie Bush's pre-draft contract demands, made North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams the No. 1 overall pick.

Williams reaped the bounty, getting a six-year, $54-million deal with $26.5 million of that guaranteed. But while that $26.5 million was much more than Williams ever would have gotten lower in the draft, it was also a step back for the No. 1 slot.

Consider this: in 2003, Carson Palmer got about $15 million guaranteed from the Bengals. Eli Manning got $20 million in 2004. Alex Smith got $24 million in 2005. Then Williams got $26.5 million.

Which brings us back to Russell, the No, 1 overall pick of the Oakland Raiders out of LSU and a young man who doesn't appear close to getting into training camp.

The Mario Williams precedent -- getting a $2.5 million bump in guarantees over Alex Smith -- allows Oakland to argue that Russell should get a bump in line with that.

But Russell is a quarterback and the "quarterback premium" is a reality of contract life in the NFL. So instead of working off the $26.5 million given to a DE, the bonus to a quarterback would have been approximately $4.5 million more than the year before. That's $28.5 million. And another year's escalation would have the guarantees up to around $33 million.

Never mind the realities of the numbers. Tom Brady has three Super Bowl rings and his most recent deal in 2005 included $26.5 million guaranteed. Two JaMarcus Russells shouldn't make more than one Tom Brady.

But it is what it is, as they say. And this is what it is: the salary cap escalation since the start of 2006 and the fact Russell is a quarterback and was drafted first makes it incumbent on the Raiders to do what's in line with the times. Or at least makes it reasonable for Russell and his agent, Eric Metz, to stick to their guns.

Further complicating the Russell talks is the refusal of the Raiders to agree to a skill and injury guarantee on the contract. The Raiders will guarantee only for injury. Going all the way back to 1993 when Drew Bledsoe was drafted No. 1 by New England, every top pick had a skill and injury guarantee.

Throw onto the smoldering fire that there's alleged confusion over who's running the negotiations from the Raiders' side and that owner Al Davis is out of the loop on what the deal is and only one word applies. Mess.

So how quickly will it end? Our guess is that it will be later rather than sooner. Daunte Culpepper and Andrew Walter would both be preferable options over Russell at this point so the Raiders don't necessarily need Russell in the fold. And the Raiders aren't ones to worry about PR fiascos either.

As for Russell, he's stuck it out this long and his arguments have merit. While it's too soon to argue that his rookie year is shot, his progress is going to be severely retarded for 2007. He's missed more than 20 practices and is on his way to missing the first two preseason games.

He's not a polished college quarterback coming out of LSU that played in a sophisticated pro-style offense as USC's Matt Leinart was when he held out through mid-August and then went on to emerge as the Cards' starter last year.

It's getting to the point where there will be no winners in this staredown. Only a question of who loses less.
 
Russell's Camp said:
But Russell is a quarterback and the "quarterback premium" is a reality of contract life in the NFL. So instead of working off the $26.5 million given to a DE, the bonus to a quarterback would have been approximately $4.5 million more than the year before. That's $28.5 million. And another year's escalation would have the guarantees up to around $33 million.

:yawn:

Last time I checked, a rookie DE doesn't have to hold a clipboard for a year before he can contribute. If Russell is as good as his agents say he is, then he'll have no prob collecting his "quarterback premium" in his 2nd contract.





Russell's Camp said:
the salary cap escalation since the start of 2006 and the fact Russell is a quarterback and was drafted first makes it incumbent on the Raiders to do what's in line with the times.

Uh huh.... sure. Al give in to peer pressure. :rolleyes:





Russell's Camp said:
Further complicating the Russell talks is the refusal of the Raiders to agree to a skill and injury guarantee on the contract. The Raiders will guarantee only for injury. Going all the way back to 1993 when Drew Bledsoe was drafted No. 1 by New England, every top pick had a skill and injury guarantee.

Looks like Al is trying to break precedent. I'm shocked. :rolleyes:





Russell's Camp said:
owner Al Davis is out of the loop on what the deal is and only one word applies. Mess.

Wow. Now I can understand why these guys are going weeks at a time without talking. Al isn't about to take this bull shit from a couple nubes.





Russell's Camp said:
As for Russell, he's stuck it out this long and his arguments have merit.

Until he finds some leverage, his arguments are a bunch of idle chatter.





Russell's Camp said:
It's getting to the point where there will be no winners in this staredown. Only a question of who loses less.

Raiders lose a draft pick... or Russell loses $25+ million in guarantees as he falls out of the 1st round in '08. Must be a rhetorical question.
 
JR's head is up his ass, rght next to his wallet.

Stabler was 30 years ago.

If JR misses one moe pre-season game, or two more weeks of practice, his career is over! I say we wash our hands and let dumbass go back into the draft and see how he likes is $100,000 signing bonus as a 2nd or 3rd round pick! I knew this kid was trouble!
 
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