The Mike Williams thread

I dunno, it depends on how many WRs Kiffen carries. I would suspect he'll carry 6 on the active roster because anything less than that would limit his offensive packages once the injury bug strikes.

Porter {Lock}
Curry {Lock}
Williams {Lock}
Gabriel
Morant
Higgens (lock)
Francis
Whitted
Buchanon
Holland
Madsen (TE?)


I would add Higgins as a lock. 3rd rounder? Lock.

I'm interested in why you see Williams as a threat to Morant, but not to Whitted? Or as a specific threat to Morant, anyway.

And what did I miss about Gabe? Was he in the doghouse for something? I know he was traded, but he was brought back. Did I miss something?

I think it comes down to two spots open, and Morant, Francis, Holland, and Whitted are going for them. I don't see Buchanon and Madsen in the hunt. Madesen, I dunno. I thinkonce Miller was drafted, it hurt his chances.
 
I guess I'm in the minority but I always thought "Hype" Williams was going to flame out in the NFL and wasn't suprised in the least. I mean, he isn't fast, isn't quick, doesn't run great routes.. *shrug*

I could care less that we picked him up, and I'll be pleasantly suprised if he works out. I hope he does, don't get me wrong, but I'll be suprised if he turns into a world-beater.

Yeah, I was definitely not in the Williams camp.

But there is certainly a difference between getting stuck with him as a top 10 pick, and rooting for a guy we pulled off the scrap heap. I'm a big Williams fan now.
 
I'm fine that we brought him and McCown in for more or less a free look-see.. just underwhelmed, is all. Maybe Kiffin can get some blood out of that stone. I hope so! I'm just not expecting much.. so hey.. at least I'll be happy if he cracks the starting lineup. Kind of like going to a movie that you think is going to suck, but it turns out to be relatively entertaining.. so you're pleasantly suprised and happy you caught it on the matinee.. but would have been a bit pissed if you were all hyped-up on it and waited in line for six hours on opening night.

How's that for the world's longest metaphor.
 
I'm interested in why you see Williams as a threat to Morant, but not to Whitted? Or as a specific threat to Morant, anyway.

Williams and Morant are the same type of WR. Big, lumbering, possession guys with 4.6 speed. Whitted's a better route runner than both at this point and would still be classified as a speedster, which is why I lumped him in with Francis.

The way I see it... Curry, Williams, and Morant are all similar body-type, possession WRs. And with Porter and Higgens on the roster, I don't see how all 3 stick.

And what did I miss about Gabe? Was he in the doghouse for something? I know he was traded, but he was brought back. Did I miss something?

The Supreme Being, Al Davis, made reference to Gabe earlier this offseason questioning his preparation.
 
If Morant can't even line up in the correct spot and run the right routes all the time using Walsh's simple playbook I think he's gonna struggle even more this year.
 
Morant a possession type?

Dude was flying downfield in preseason.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but Morant certainly isn't a sub-4.5 WR. That's not to say he doesn't play faster than 4.6, but with his body type I would most definitely classify him as more of a possession WR than a speed or quick-twitch WR.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong... but Morant certainly isn't a sub-4.5 WR. That's not to say he doesn't play faster than 4.6, but with his body type I would most definitely classify him as more of a possession WR than a speed or quick-twitch WR.

Okay then, I'm correcting you. :)

Johnnie Morant proved his NFL potential at SU's Pro Day
By: Darryl Slater
Posted: 4/1/04
Starting April 24, Johnnie Morant will have a chance for a new beginning. Not to mention a hefty paycheck.

Morant, the Syracuse football team's talented but underachieving former wide receiver, will likely be selected in the third round of that day's NFL Draft, said SU strength and conditioning coach Will Hicks, who serves as the Orangemen's pro scout liaison.

The Minnesota Vikings have expressed significant interest in Morant, who will work out for scouts and coaches from about six to eight teams today at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse's second and final Pro Day.

The Vikings have the 19th pick in the third round. Like many teams, they're intrigued by Morant's physical gifts. He stands 6 feet 4 inches tall and weighs about 230 pounds. At the NFL Combine, held Feb. 18-24 in Indianapolis, Morant recorded a 41-inch vertical leap, the second-highest figure at the combine, Hicks said. Morant has also run about 4.4 seconds in the 40-yard dash, Hicks said.

Morant did not return a message left yesterday on his cell phone seeking comment.

"They don't make 6-4, 230-pound guys like that every day," Hicks said. "You can talk to three people from the same team, and (where he will get drafted) depends on who you talk to. With those situations, it'll depend, on Draft Day, who else is left out there and who's gonna be willing to roll the dice."

And some teams might view selecting Morant as such a gamble.

In the fall of 2000, he came to Syracuse as the nation's No. 3-rated high school receiver. But he struggled to learn the playbook. Still, SU coaches didn't redshirt him his freshman year, a season in which he played in three games and caught zero passes. Over the next two seasons, he had just two touchdowns and developed a reputation for dropping passes.

His problems continued off the field. He was suspended twice for academic reasons. In the summer of 2001, he was arrested and charged with giving a police officer false identity during a traffic stop. In April 2002, he punched SU lacrosse player Mike Springer and was suspended for three games the next fall.

As a senior last fall, Morant finally cashed in his potential. He caught 46 passes, four more than his first two seasons combined, and had five touchdowns.

"(NFL teams) think his best football's in front of him," Hicks said. "We really wish we had one more year with Johnnie."

Syracuse coaches and Morant's agent, Gary Wichard, encouraged Morant to be honest about his off-field issues when teams interviewed him in January at the Senior Bowl and at the combine.

"As long as you're not doing anything immoral or going on the dark side of life, (teams) are usually pretty forgiving," Wichard said.

SU head coach Paul Pasqualoni's reputation for running a disciplined program helped teams give Morant the benefit of the doubt in those situations, Hicks said.

"We advised him that (teams) are gonna know anyway, so you've gotta tell the truth," said Hicks, who has been a pro scout liaison since 1987. "Some teams have interns who do nothing but go online and pull articles off newspapers about incidents. Some guys have retired FBI guys who do their (background) work."

But given some NFL players' extensive rap sheets, scouts might be willing to focus more on Morant's football potential.

At the Senior Bowl in January, Kansas City Chiefs wide receivers coach Charlie Joiner interviewed Morant, said Chuck Cook, the Chiefs' director of college scouting. Cook is also good friends with Hicks and spoke with him about Morant, though Cook refused to divulge the contents of the conversation.

Cook did say that the Chiefs' scouting department contacted plenty of people at Syracuse, including academic representatives, during their background check of Morant.

"He's a big thoroughbred," Cook said of Morant. "He's a big, good-looking guy."

Morant showed that at Syracuse's first Pro Day, held in the Carrier Dome on March 17. Representatives from about 17 teams showed up and saw Morant run the 40 in 4.4 seconds. Afterward, the Vikings' wide receivers coach, Charlie Baggett, watched for an hour as Morant, already exhausted, ran routes and caught passes from former SU quarterback R.J. Anderson, Hicks said.

"In some ways," Hicks said, "they work you out when you're tired to test you to see how far they can push you."

Perhaps that afternoon offered a glimpse into Morant's new beginning, now just 23 days away.

"(The Vikings) like Johnnie," Hicks said. "They like they way he looks. They like the way it looks with Randy Moss on one side and Johnnie on the other." Well I didn't.

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Its a shame we didnt try the vikings theory. Or more a shame we had the blueberry syrup playbook. But Yea Morant gets a bum wrap when it comes to his supposed last of speed. All he ever did in Syracuse was go deep while McNabb would heave it up.
 
I remember a one handed catch he made against Oregon or Oregon St. He was crossing near the back of the endzone and Leinart thew the ball behind him. At full speed he jumped, twisted and snatched the fooker w/ one hand. Amazing.

IMO not too much risk on him coming here and earning a spot but alot of reward if he can straighten his game up on the pro level.

The interchangeability of the three,.... Porter, Curry and BMW should have any offensive schemer frothing with joy. The routes available and the ATTACKING execution will have a number of mismatches throughout the game. Add a reliable TE in Miller and it's a whole new offense. At the very least it will open up holes for the run game.
 
Its a shame we didnt try the vikings theory. Or more a shame we had the blueberry syrup playbook. But Yea Morant gets a bum wrap when it comes to his supposed last of speed. All he ever did in Syracuse was go deep while McNabb would heave it up.

How could Morant have played with McNabb?
 
I remember a one handed catch he made against Oregon or Oregon St. He was crossing near the back of the endzone and Leinart thew the ball behind him. At full speed he jumped, twisted and snatched the fooker w/ one hand. Amazing.

I'm real surprised that one isn't youtubed... That one ranks right up there with Curry's grab in the snow at Denver for me...


One thing I really liked about BMW when he was at SC was the way they'd line him up as the slot receiver in the red zone and have him run at the safety...
 
I guess I'm in the minority but I always thought "Hype" Williams was going to flame out in the NFL and wasn't suprised in the least. I mean, he isn't fast, isn't quick, doesn't run great routes.. *shrug*

I could care less that we picked him up, and I'll be pleasantly suprised if he works out. I hope he does, don't get me wrong, but I'll be suprised if he turns into a world-beater.
Same. Add to that all the pre-draft reports of him being lazy, immature, and more prone to go to the buffet than the weight room, and you have a guy who was destined to fail.

If he makes the final 53, I'll be somewhat surprised. If he actually earns a starting gig, I'll be in absolute shock.

I don't expect much from the guy. So, an Alvis Whitted statline seems like a reasonable expectation for this guy.

Or a Courtney Anderson statline...whichever.
 
I'd say Kiper's hit/miss ratio is pretty comparable to ours.
 
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