Tampa and Oakland talking trade?...

Also, I just realized that Tampa does not have a tradeable 6th rd. pick this year, so we would have to ask for all of their 2007 picks, plus a 1st and 6th in 2008..... if Al is feeling generous. If not, their 5th.
 
That's the most interesting rumour for a while, is number 4 too high for Landry?

I would do that trade and pick up one of Peterson, Quinn or Russell. We would then have the flexibility to move up to pick up a falling player like one of the receivers or possibly Lynch if we go QB first. I also like the idea of trading one or two of the picks for choices next year.
 
Man, I found the first rumor hard to fathom.

Now, PFT has the balls to question the specualtion of another, more repuatable source. I'll tell you something right now, a difference of 130 points on the chart doesn't mean crap.

S&B Ex makes a good argument. If we can drop to #4, still walk away with Peterson (or Thomas), save a ton of money, and acquire a bunch of 1st day picks, pull the trigger. I like Russell, but I am not so sure he is a can't miss, that I would give up a trade like that.

I also think there's a good chance that Russell or Quinn will be there. I am starting to wonder about Cleveland. If Russell wouldn't make it past them, why aren't they at least talking about moving up? If they think Russell is the guy, you'd think they'd at least talk to the Raiders about what it'd cost. But AFAIK, they haven't, and Savage has pretty much pooh-pooh'ed the idea of trading up.

I think you can read that a few different ways. Maybe Quinn is their guy, and they are just expecting it to go JR/CJ, and don't care who gets who. Maybe they don't want a QB at all. Can anyone explain why Peterson to the Browns isn't considered a mortal lock? Or Thomas?

I think it's as reasonable as anything else to assume the draft could go:

1. Tampa--Calvin Johnson
2. Detroit--Gaines Adams---Prefer to move down, but really, with who, and for whom??
3. Cleveland--Adrian Peterson

I could aso see either team taking Thomas, or CLE taking Quinn or Russell.

I agree with Ex, I think one of the QB's will be there, and I'd say it's a 50/50 shot that it's Russell.
 
Once again Detroit bothers me.

They are hard to get a read on with Millen pulling the strings. They could do anything at #2 and could be the spoiler as far as the Raiders are concerned.

They have as many needs as the Raiders so could go any direction except WR since Millen would have a contract out on him if he takes another receiver with their first pick. Kinda scary trading down wondering what Detroit might do to cockblock us.
 
massraider said:
I think it's as reasonable as anything else to assume the draft could go:

1. Tampa--Calvin Johnson
2. Detroit--Gaines Adams---Prefer to move down, but really, with who, and for whom??
3. Cleveland--Adrian Peterson

I could aso see either team taking Thomas, or CLE taking Quinn or Russell.

I agree with Ex, I think one of the QB's will be there, and I'd say it's a 50/50 shot that it's Russell.
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If Tampa moves up to take CJ, it's hard to imagine a team moving up into the top 3 to grab one of the QB's... It would cost Minny their 2nd and 3rd to do so... Martz is said to really like Orlovsky and Marinelli is said to be pushing for a pass rusher, unless their owner pushes Millen to take a QB, I think thay stand pat and take Adams, or possibly Thomas...

I don't see how this trade, IF TRUE, has a downside... Depending on your individual perspective, at worst we add Peterson, Thomas or Adams, all who play at immediate need or near future need positions... at best one of the QB's drop to us at less money... Yeah the CJ fans won't get their Superman, but the extra pick at the top of the 2nd allows us to take advantage of the deep WR class and walk away with probably one of Jarrett, Sydney Rice, Buster Davis, Jason Hill, Steve Smith etc...


That said, I find it hard to believe that Al will break his draft tradition and trade down... Even if Tampa is willing, someone will really have to sell him on doing so...
 
CrossBones said:
Once again Detroit bothers me.

They are hard to get a read on with Millen pulling the strings. They could do anything at #2 and could be the spoiler as far as the Raiders are concerned.

They have as many needs as the Raiders so could go any direction except WR since Millen would have a contract out on him if he takes another receiver with their first pick. Kinda scary trading down wondering what Detroit might do to cockblock us.
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Two reasons I think Detroit isn't a concern of ours:

1. I believe that Martz, the offensive head coach, doesn't think he needs a 1st round QB. And I don't see the defensive-minded head coach talking him out of it.

2. They seem determined to trade down. If they were secretly pining for Russell, I think they'd be talking to Oakland about a swap.
 
massraider said:
Two reasons I think Detroit isn't a concern of ours:

1. I believe that Martz, the offensive head coach, doesn't think he needs a 1st round QB. And I don't see the defensive-minded head coach talking him out of it.

2. They seem determined to trade down. If they were secretly pining for Russell, I think they'd be talking to Oakland about a swap.
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I agree. Martz is prolly content with another year of Kitna. Besides they still have McCown and the guy the bumped ahead of him on the depth chart last season.

Honestly id take this trade today if we could.

1. Calvin Johnson - obvioulsy gone by #4 in a trade
2. Adrian Peterson
3. J-Rock
4. Brady Quinn
5. Joe Thomas

Any of those guys at #4 would be great. cheaper and we could get some more picks to add to the D-Line. I hope we do trade down. can you imagine.

1. JR/BQ - QB
2. Ugoh/Blaylock/Kalil/Grubbs/Staley- OL
2. Dwayne Jarrett - WR
3. Q,Moses/ Crowder - DE
3. B.Patrick -TE
3. Tank Tyler/Mebane/Thomas/McBride -DT
3. Michael Bush - RB
4. Dallas Sartz- OLB

Throw in a Moss trade...yikes.
 
Trade With Bucs Makes Sense for Raiders

In the opinion of many, myself included, Calvin Johnson has separated himself from the pack as the top prospect in this year's NFL Draft class. And, according to Yahoo! Sports, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are plotting a move up to the No. 1 position, held by the Oakland Raiders, for the purpose of adding the phenom receiver out of Georgia Tech to their roster.
The trade apparently would include Tampa Bay's first four picks (their first-, two second-, and a third-round pick) for the No. 1 overall selection. If you go strictly by the trade chart used by many teams, the Buccaneers seem to get the better end of the deal in terms of pick value. But in my view, the Raiders should pull the trigger anyway.

By making this deal, Oakland would obviously miss out on Johnson, who isn't a huge need anyway if Randy Moss is not traded, and probably quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who would likely be selected by either the Detroit Lions or Cleveland Browns at No. 2 and No. 3. But sitting at No. 4, the Raiders would have a player fall to them that does fill a need.

Assuming the Bucs take Johnson, the Raiders would be assured of a shot at at least one of three players; Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn, Wisconsin OT Joe Thomas, or Oklahoma RB Adrian Peterson. If I'm calling the shots on draft day (and Raiders fans should be thankful I'm not) I would be willing to give up the chance to draft Johnson or Russell for one of those guys and three other picks in the top 68, especially considering the state of the Raiders offense and the depth of this year's draft class. As good as Johnson appears to be, and as high as Russell's ceiling seems, this team needs quality and quantity. One player is probably not going to put them in playoff contention regardless of his talent level.

The Raiders could hold out for more picks or possibly a player to even the trade value (based on the chart), but if the Buccaneers don't budge, Al Davis would be wise to make the deal anyway.

The question is, would Davis ever allow himself to pass on two physical specimens like Johnson and Russell. That's just not his nature.

http://football.about.com/b/a/258118.htm

Another country heard from.....
 
If this did goes down, I don't think there's any way we'd use all those picks... we'll trade back into the mid first round to score someone I'm sure.

Friggin Joe Thomas?... Adrian Peterson?

I guess I'd feel more comfortable if I was sure there'd be a QB for us... although I'm not real high on Brady...

I agree with Hboy that the prospects of a free agent QB worth a damn ever falling to us is pretty slim. WTF man? This QB position is tearin ass... I'm sick of it.
 
I would friggen pull that trigger in a minute....We could build our team up very quickly and give AWAL a nice supporting cast and add some depth on defense at two glaring postions. If he doesn't pan out, you nab two young bucks this year and you have picks for next year. Hell we could end up with something like: Hell anything, lets just get this draft going...I can't take it.

Round 1 (#4 overall ): RB Adrian Peterson
Round 2 (#33 overall): DT Justin Harrel
Round 2 (#35 overall): DE Tim Crowder
Round 3 (#64 overall): QB Drew Stanton
Round 3 (#65 overall): WR Jason Hill
Round 3 (#68 overall): C Samson Satele
Round 3 (#99 overall): TE Clark Harris
Round 4 (#100 overall):G Josh Beekman
Round 5 (#138 overall):QB John Beck
Round 5 (#165 overall):OT Adam Koets
Round 6 (#175 overall): S John Wendling
Round 7 (#211 overall):WR Jarret Hicks
 
Stanny said:
I would friggen pull that trigger in a minute....We could build our team up very quickly and give AWAL a nice supporting cast
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I've stated plenty of times that if Kiffen endorses Walter, then theres no issue imo.

I know you woulda' been hard pressed to find a raider fan who endorsed us going with that old bum Gannon. :D Anybody who says they were endorsing bringing in a qb with no 20 td season in his career backup to lead our team is kidding themselves. It was Gruden's belief in him that got him to where he is as a respected raider QB. If Kiffen has that belief in Walter, then its his responsibility to to make it work and we should never draft a qb if he feel an urgency to draft him. Unless you dont think much of Kiffen in the first place.
 
Raidermania12 said:
I've stated plenty of times that if Kiffen endorses Walter, then theres no issue imo.

I know you woulda' been hard pressed to find a raider fan who endorsed us going with that old bum Gannon. :D Anybody who says they were endorsing bringing in a qb with no 20 td season in his career backup to lead our team is kidding themselves. It was Gruden's belief in him that got him to where he is as a respected raider QB. If Kiffen has that belief in Walter, then its his responsibility to to make it work and we should never draft a qb if he feel an urgency to draft him. Unless you dont think much of Kiffen in the first place.
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I can totally agree with this. I do trust Kiffin with the offense... it's just the not knowing the plan that's killing me!!!! :D
 
Was listening to Tampa Sportstalk today, people are going ballisitic over this rumor and purportedly it has some legs. Throw Plummer in the mix and let Walter and him battle it out for the starting gig while we draft Stanton or Edwards. Hell I'd even take a flyer on Troy Smith in the late 3rd or 4th. You think one of these cats would stick. Hey it's Al revenge time. We could set up the tables for a nice run in a year or two.
 
I'll vomit if we pick Troy Smith before the fifth round.

Im rather have Kolb, Stanton, Edwards, Quinn, Russell, Stanback, Zabransky, John Beck, Matt Gutierrez or even Jordan Palmer.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
I'll vomit if we pick Troy Smith before the fifth round.

Im rather have Kolb, Stanton, Edwards, Quinn, Russell, Stanback, Zabransky, John Beck, Matt Gutierrez or even Jordan Palmer.
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Sorry, I meant draft a QB in the 2nd and draft Smith later on. Fuck Jordan Palmer, he looks too much like his brother:p
 
Raider Nation said:
Then you lose the cap savings you inherited by moving down to #4. Methinks that's going to be a key consideration for Al in any potential trade down.
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I agree that's a big selling point for the trade down, but he's getting 2 players(one a proven passrusher) for the same cap space so that's a plus isn't it?... I mean, he's gonna spend that dough on something right?
 
Rice is going to command some pretty serious coin even at his age especially after what Kerney got. No thanks, I'd rather use the savings on getting Burgess inked to a long term deal
 
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