Some Stuff 02.22.06...

Angry Pope

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Feb 2, 2006
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Here are the Wonderlic Test scores of the players on our current team..all I could find right now.

Kerry Collins 30
Andrew Walter 31
Marques Tuiasasopo 24

Justin Fargas 29
John Paul Foschi 23

Ronald Curry 22
Johnnie Morant 27
Carlos Francis 22
Doug Gabriel 12

Courtney Anderson 14

Jake Grove 31
Robert Gallery 23
Brad Lekkerker 29

Tommy Kelly 25
Tyler Brayton 26
Derrick Burgess 13
Antaj Hawthorne 25
Ryan Riddle 33

Nnamdi Asomugha 24
Stanford Routt 23
Fabian Washington 25
Stuart Schweigert 28

Derrick Gibson 9 (not sure)

Kirk Morrison 25

Sebastian Janokowski 9
Here are others that played for us at one time...

Rich Gannon 27

Jeff George 10

Rick Mirer 31

Scott Dreisbach 20

Tee Martin 11

David Rivers 27

Phillip Buchanon 11 (not sure)

Teyo Johnson 24

Shurron Pierson 14

Dustin Rykert 16

Ryan Hoag 28

Kenny Smith 14

Kenyon Coleman 17

Chris Cooper 18

Pete McMahon 21


Neil Smith 4

Dan Marino 14

Steve McNair 15

Brian Griese 39

Donovan McNabb 16

Aaron Brooks 17

Dante Culpepper 21

Chad Pennington 25

Tom Brady 33

Patrick Ramsey 32

Drew Henson 42
Here is some other info...

In general, says Wonderlic, "The closer you are to the ball, the higher your score."

This assessment roughly corresponds to the averages revealed, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, by an NFL personnel man in Paul Zimmerman's "The New Thinking man's Guide to Pro Football," which are:

Offensive tackles: 26
Centers: 25
Quarterbacks: 24
Guards: 23
Tight Ends: 22
Safeties: 19
Middle linebackers: 19
Cornerbacks: 18
Wide receivers: 17
Fullbacks: 17
Halfbacks: 16

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15
Here is where we ranked in 2005 as far as smartest teams in America...

Uh, Duh! Packers — Dumbest Team in the NFL
According to the Wonderlic Personnel Test, the dumbest team in the NFL happens to be the Green Bay Packers.

The Wonderlic is used by teams as part of their package of factors for drafting strategy.

The Minnesota Vikings players are tied with the Baltimore Ravens for 14th among the NFL's 32 teams with an average Wonderlic Personnel Test score of 21.5, according to a story in the Friday September 30, 2005 issue of the Wall Street Journal. The Wonderlic, a 12-minute standardized test with 50 questions, is given to college football players hoping to be taken in the NFL draft.

The Journal gathered test results from websites, published reports and individuals close to the NFL and then verified "as many as we could with agents and teams and calculated the average scores for each team."

The Journal reported Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper scored an average 21; center Matt Birk, a Harvard grad, had a 46.

The St. Louis Rams players finished atop the listings with a 24.6 average, followed by the Oakland Raiders (23.3), Tennessee Titans (23.2), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (23.2) and San Diego Chargers (23).

Last? The Green Bay Packers had a 19.1 average, with nine players scoring below 14.

Packer wideout Javon Walker had an extremely low score of an almost unheard of... 9. It almost makes you wonder if he knows how to read. Did he actually graduate from high school and college or did they just promote him so that they wouldn't have to deal with him anymore?

It is nice to see that the Packers are at the bottom of the league in terms of this Personnel Test. Perhaps this has some reason to do with their quick 0-4 start during the 2005 NFL season.
Another one...I should have posted this one instead....

NFL's Dumbest Team

Wednesday, October 05 2005 @ 02:53 AM EDT
Contributed by: Admin "This must be the dumbest team in the NFL" I thought as my beloved packers dropped pass after pass, and gave up yard after yard. It turns out I was right.

Using the Wonderlic Personnel Test scores of current players the NFL ranked all 32 teams by average score, and the Packers (19.1) ranked last, just behind Arizona (19.2) and Kansas City (19.3). The so-called smartest teams were St. Louis (24.6), Oakland (23.3) and Tennessee and Tampa Bay (23.2).
The Wonderlic is a 50-question test administered to college prospects before the draft. Players are given 12 minutes to finish as many questions as they can.

The NFL average score is 20. Across the broader population, the average score is 21. The Packers' 19.1 average is similar to the typical Wonderlic score for hospital orderlies. And, it's on par with the team's namesake: According to E.F. Wonderlic Co., the lowest average score for any occupation is "packer," with 14.69.

Quarterbacks and specialists generally score highest, and that is the case with the Packers. Brett Favre scored a 22 coming out of Southern Mississippi in 1991, while backups Craig Nall with 31 and Aaron Rodgers with 35 had among the highest scores on the team.

Not that good Wonderlic scores necessarily lead to on-field success. When the Packers played in Super Bowl XXXII in January 1998, their average Wonderlic score was 19.6.
Here is a sample test...different and longer than the one we saw last season...

Wonderlic IQ Sample Test
See how you score on some examples from a Wonderlic IQ test.
Answers appear at the bottom of the page.

The Wonderlic Personnel Test ™
WPT ™ Sample Questions

1. Look at the row of numbers below. What number should come next?

8 4 2 1 ½ ¼ ?

2. Assume the first two statements are true. Is the final one:

1. true, 2. false, 3. not certain?

The boy plays baseball. All baseball players wear hats. The boy wears a hat.

3. Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will four pads cost?

4. How many of the five pairs of items listed below are exact duplicates?

Nieman, K.M. Neiman, K.M.
Thomas, G.K. Thomas, C.K.
Hoff, J.P. Hoff, J.P.
Pino, L.R. Pina, L.R.
Warner, T.S. Wanner, T.S.

5. PRESENT/ RESERVE . Do these words

1. have similar meanings, 2. have contradictory meanings, 3. mean neither the same nor opposite?

6. One of the numbered figures in the following drawing is most different from the others. What is the number in that figure?

7. A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 second. At this same speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds?

8. When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?

9. The ninth month of the year is

1. October, 2. January, 3. June, 4. September, 5 May.

10. Which number in the following group of numbers represents the smallest amount?

7 .8 31 .33 2

11. In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?

12. The hours of daylight and darkness in SEPTEMBER are nearest equal to the hours of daylight and darkness in:

1. June, 2. March, 3. May, 4. November.

13. Three individuals form a partnership and agree to divide the profits equally. X invests $9,000, Y invests $7,000, Z invests $4,000. If the profits are $4,800, how much less does X receive than if the profits were divided in proportion to the amount invested?

14. Assume the first two statements are true. Is the final one:

1. true, 2. false, 3. not certain?

Tom greeted Beth. Beth greeted Dawn. Tom did not greet Dawn.

15. A boy is 17 years old and his sister is twice as old. When the boy is 23 years old, what will be the age of his sister?

These are sample test questions and are intended for demonstration purposes only. The Wonderlic Personnel Test is published by Wonderlic, Inc.

16. The hours of daylight and darkness in SEPTEMBER are nearest equal to the hours of daylight and darkness in:



1. 1/8
2. true
3. 84 cents
4. 1
5. 3
6. 4
7. 300 feet
8. 6 feet
9. September
10. .33
11. 17
12. March
13. $560
14. not certain
15. 40 years old
16. March
Here is an article on Renaldo Hill...

On the Rise: Renaldo Hill

February 22, 2006

By Lauren Tweet

Renaldo Hill has been a very valuable acquisition for The Oakland Raiders. Selected in the seventh round of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Arizona Cardinals, Hill was acquired as a free agent in 2005 by the Raiders. This 5'11", 190-pound defensive back not only brings experience and leadership, but versatility as well.

Born and raised in Detroit, Mich., Hill began playing organized football at eight years old. "My grandma got my older brother to start playing football," said Hill. "My younger brother and I just kind of followed in his footsteps." Once in high school, Hill's talents were soon recognized. Hill was nationally ranked as the sixth-best defensive back while at Chadsey High School. In his senior year, Hill chalked up 85 tackles, four interceptions, 15 pass deflections, two fumble recoveries, and he also caught 30 passes for 423 yards and seven touchdowns.

Transitioning from high school football to college football proved seamless for Hill. Hill attended Michigan State, the same college his older brother previously attended. While at Michigan State, Hill started in 35 consecutive games. Not only was he a two-time All-Big Ten Conference selection, but he also put up big statistics as well. He finished his college career with 182 total tackles, 11 stops for loss of 21 yards, nine interceptions, and 36 pass deflections. "Michigan State was a great place to prepare for the NFL," said Hill. "I had a great coach who was great with working with the defense." Michigan State was a place where Hill learned and studied the game, preparing him for his future in the NFL.

Hill's knowledge of the game has obviously paid off. With five years of professional experience, he has made some major contributions to both the Cardinals and the Raiders. Since 2001, he has played in 71 games, has 237 total tackles, 4.5 sacks, 31 pass deflections, and nine interceptions for 125 yards with one touchdown.

"From being a starter with the Cardinals, I believe I bring experience and knowledge to the Raiders defense," said Hill, "I also feel I am versatile player, whether I am playing cornerback or safety."

In his first season with the Raiders, Hill made an impact in the Raiders defense. In 16 games, he has totaled 75 tackles, one interception, and four pass deflections. He saw significant time at cornerback and safety due to injuries in the secondary.

"I'm one of the older defensive guys," stated Hill. "I want to become a leader on and off the field and share my knowledge of the game with the defense."

Not only does he want to be a vocal presence on and off the field, but also a physical presence as well. "I'm looking to step up my game next season and lead by example."
I really liked Hill's work ethic. He busted his ass out there.
Hill is one of those glue guys...he's not a stud or anything, just plays ball.
Here is a draft profile of Derrick Burgess...


Rank: 14th

Measurables: 6-3, 264, 4.85 40 time, 40-inch vertical, 24 reps on bench

Book on him: Played DT in college until his senior season when he moved to Left End which is where he will project in the NFL. Hails from Riverdale, Maryland. Had 6 starts in 1998 at DT and started all of 1999 season. Had knee surgery in January, 1999. Started 38 games in career, getting 164 tackles, 43 tackles for loss, and 17.5 sacks. Picked off 2 passes as a senior. Likes to go wide on his pass rush but has alot of experience on the inside so he should be able to adjust to mix things up. Pretty new to DE so he will likely be a year or two long project. Scouts feel he needs alot of development in his pass rush skills. At this time he is considered an effort guy without alot of pass-rushing skills. Still Burgess has good quickness and has shown the ability to handle stronger linemen so he could be a factor at Left end in the NFL. Scored a 13 on the Wonderlic.
Here is a highlight video of our Raiders...past and present...with Metallica playing in the background....

Collins to be honored. It isn't until next month so you have time for flight and hotel reservations...


Kerry Collins To Be Honored By The Second Mile on March 24
Event at Hershey Lodge

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa., February 22, 2006 - Former Penn State All-American Kerry Collins will be honored by The Second Mile at the annual KPMG Second Mile Celebration of Excellence. The event will be held on Friday, March 24 at 6:00 p.m. at the Hershey Lodge & Convention Center.

Proceeds from the event will directly benefit children served by The Second Mile who are dealing with challenging circumstances. Expected special guests include The Second Mile's founder, Jerry Sandusky, and former Nittany Lion quarterback Michael Robinson, the 2005 Big Ten Silver Football recipient.

The Second Mile is dedicated to helping children in local communities develop skills which will lead them to a future of promise and personal success. In 2005, The Second Mile served more than 100,000 children in the nine-county South-central Region. According to event Co-Chairs, Kim Ortenzio-Nielsen and Michael Fiaschetti, the goal of the KPMG Second Mile Celebration of Excellence is to raise more than $70,000 to benefit The Second Mile.

Collins, a veteran NFL quarterback who led the New York Giants to Super Bowl XXXV, plays for the Oakland Raiders. Prior to arriving in Oakland, he led the Giants and Carolina Panthers to the NFC Championship Game.

At Penn State from 1991-94, Collins led the Nittany Lions to a 10-2 record and a Florida Citrus Bowl win over Tennessee in 1993. During his senior season, Collins directed one of the top offense's in college football history, a unit that averaged a school record 47.8 points per game, en route to an unbeaten season and Penn State's first Big Ten Championship. The Nittany Lions won the 1995 Rose Bowl to become the first team in Big Ten history to earn a 12-0 record,

A product of Wilson High School in West Lawn, Pa., Collins was a consensus first team All-American in 1994 and won the Davey O'Brian and Maxwell Awards. He was the fifth overall selection in the 1995 NFL Draft by the Carolina Panthers.

Through his KC for Kids Foundation, Collins has demonstrated his commitment to children and families with needs in communities in which he has lived.

Founded in 1977 by Jerry Sandusky, former Penn State defensive coordinator, The Second Mile provides nine prevention, early intervention and community-based programs at no cost to more than 300,000 children in Pennsylvania annually. Funding for The Second Mile is made possible through the generosity of individuals, businesses, community organizations and foundations.

For ticket information for the KPMG Celebration of Excellence, contact The Second Mile at 717-763-4614 or email [email protected].
Here is the schedule for the Combine beginning today...

February 22, 2006

Day 1 – Arrival Day

Upon arrival at the Indianapolis airport you will greeted in the baggage claim area by an NFL scout and transported to the Crowne Plaza hotel.

After you check into your room and change into your issued gear, you will be shuttled to the hospital for Pre-Exam X-rays and lab work. X-rays MUST be completed first thing on arrival.

After X-rays are completed, you will be brought back to the hotel and directed to the Cybex testing area.

Pre-Exam X-rays and Cybex testing MUST be completed on your arrival day so that you will be ready for medical testing activities on Day 2. No matter how late in the day you arrive in Indianapolis, you must complete these two requirements on your arrival day.

Orientation and Dinner at 6:00 pm.

During orientation you will be assigned to a group and be introduced to the group scouts assigned to coordinate your groups’ activities.

Individual Team Interviews may be scheduled for you during the evening following orientation and position coach interviews will be conducted until 11:00 pm.

Day 2 – Medical Exam Day

Let your group scout know if you have brought any pertinent X-rays from home.

Your group scouts will usher you thru the following activities:


Height/Weight/Arm Length/Hand Span

Wonderlic Test – Player Information Questionnaire (if not already completed)

Bench press Test (max reps at 225lbs) (PK/PT/KO/QB/WO Exempted)

Physical Examination

Medical Exams

Vision Test

EKG & Possible Stress Test

Orthopedic Stations

Blood Test

Medical History

Taped Video Interviews

Dinner at 6:00 pm.

Individual Team Interviews may be scheduled for you during the evening following orientation and position coach interviews will be conducted until 11:00 pm.

Day 3 – Psychological Testing Day

NFLPA Meeting

Psychological Testing

Dinner at 5:00 p.m.

Individual Team Interviews may be scheduled for you during the evening following orientation and position coach interviews will be conducted until 11:00 pm.

Day 4- Workout Day

Your group scouts will usher you thru the following activities:

Still Photograph

Warm Up & Flexibility

10-20-40 Yard

Position Skill Drills

Deep Snap (if applicable)

Alternate Skill Drills (if applicable)

Vertical Jump / Broad Jump

20 Yard shuttle / 60 Yard shuttle (OL/PK/PT/KO/DL/QB Exempted)

3 Cone Drill


You will be transported to the airport for your flight home.
I thought this was interesting...

National Football Scouting, a firm out of Tulsa, Okla., runs the combine. Rules allow teams - which spend $70,000 apiece to participate in the combine - 60 player interviews.
Gibson is already gone....

Steve Corkran, of the Contra Costa Times, reports the Oakland Raiders exercised a clause in SS Derrick Gibson's contract that voids the remainder of Gibson's contract and makes him an unrestricted free agent. Gibson was scheduled to make $10 million this season; a figure the Raiders had no intention of honoring. Therefore, Gibson's only realistic shot of sticking with the Raiders for a sixth season was if he agreed to a restructured contract.
More confirmation on Gibson, and also that the coin flip will occur sometime during the Combine...

Commitment to Woodson is cut short by the Raiders


Raiders managing general partner Al Davis has a long history of stockpiling Heisman Trophy winners. On Wednesday, he severed ties with one when he opted against using the franchise tag on cornerback Charles Woodson.
The Raiders used the franchise tag on Woodson each of the past two seasons. Doing so this year would have put the Raiders on the hook to pay Woodson $12.644 million for the 2006 season.

The deadline is today. Teams are permitted to designate one franchise player in any given year. That amounts to a guaranteed one-year tender for the average of the top five salaries at the designated player's position.

The Raiders used the franchise tag on Woodson in 2004 and forked over $8.78 million as compensation. A mandated 20 percent raise from the previous season's figure bumped that figure to $10.537 million for last season.

The Raiders got little in return. Woodson, 29, appeared in only 19 games and intercepted two passes the past two seasons. He missed three games in '04 with a knee injury and the final 10 games last season because of a broken right fibula.

Woodson also became expendable with the emergence of Nnamdi Asomugha, Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt as reliable options at cornerback. Asomugha and Washington finished as the starters last season and are the projected ones entering next season.

Woodson has sought a long-term contract from the Raiders for the past several seasons. However, the team was reluctant to lavish upon Woodson a huge contract because of his penchant for injuries and inconsistent play.
Just the same, there remains a possibility that Woodson will be back with the Raiders before long. He hits the market as an unrestricted free agent March 3 and is free to negotiate with any of the league's 32 teams.

Woodson has said that he wants to be the highest-paid cornerback in the league. That appears a long shot given his injuries and drop-off in performance since starting his NFL career with four straight Pro Bowl appearances -- he has had none the past four years -- after the Raiders made him the fourth pick of the 1998 NFL draft.

In other news, the Raiders exercised a clause in veteran strong safety Derrick Gibson's contract that voids the remainder of Gibson's contract and makes him an unrestricted free agent.

Gibson, 26, was scheduled to make $10 million this season, a figure the Raiders had no intention of honoring. Therefore, Gibson's only realistic shot of sticking with the Raiders for a sixth season was if he agreed to a restructured contract.

The Raiders selected Gibson in the first round of the NFL draft in 2001 in hopes Gibson would develop into a difference-maker. Injuries and inconsistent play conspired against that happening.

Finally, the Raiders soon will learn whether they get the rights to the sixth or seventh pick in the NFL draft. A coin flip will occur at the NFL scouting combine, at some point, in Indianapolis to determine whether the Raiders or 49ers get the sixth spot.
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