So it starts (Moss wants trade)

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Nov 18 Steve Corkran, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Oakland Raiders WR Randy Moss says he would like to be traded in the offseason. "It's done sort of set in, man, and I'm tired of it," Moss said on his weekly interview with Fox Sports radio. "I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."
 
Psycho Magnet said:
Nov 18 Steve Corkran, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Oakland Raiders WR Randy Moss says he would like to be traded in the offseason. "It's done sort of set in, man, and I'm tired of it," Moss said on his weekly interview with Fox Sports radio. "I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."

Great!!! We still should be able to get something for him if we do it this coming offseason!!!!
 
Aaaahhhh...perfect. Didn't see this coming. :rolleyes:

The question is, what can we realistically get for this slug? No doubt the guy is on the downside of his career. The great years he had in Minny are a distant memory and I wouldn't except to see him put up those kinds of numbers again. And with his shitty attitude I dunno. Sure the players never complain about Moss but it's the same act he brought from Minnesota. You just never fully appreciate the level of crap he pulls until you see him up close and personal and you're paying attention 100% of the time.

Al is gonna want a one for him but I'm not sure he'll be able to get it. Maybe a low first from a team who is a contender and feels they are a player away from going over the top.
 
Pretty obvious that we need to move him for the good of all involved... He's probably about as frustrated with the offensive structure as the fans are with his performance at this point... Unfortunately, I could see Al hanging on to him at the high price much the way we did with Woodson those last two years.... I could see Moss refusing to report next season should things stay static...


I really don't understand the approach Shell is taking with things... Why isn't he sitting guys down and talking to them one on one instead of relying on communications through the newspaper as a coaching tool?....



Jerry Mac's blog: (You may want to skip the Gannon part if you're already depressed)

Randy’s ratio is fine

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Friday at 3:47 pm


The Raiders are trying to get the ball to Randy Moss.

The problem is they’re not good at it.

Moss went on his Fox Sports radio show for the first time in two weeks and essentially confirmed everything he said Monday regarding his dropped passes and how the disappointment over his time in Oakland has affected his mood, focus and concentration.

He sounded as if he wished he hadn’t said it, but he admitted that’s what he said. Then he said it again.

He said he’s been on the West Coast two years and “nothing’s come of it. I think my frustration may not verbal all the time, like people say, my body language. I think it’s sort of set in that I’m tired of it and might want to move somewhere else next year and have another good start to feel good about going out there and playing football.'’

Say all you want about how Moss owes it to his employer to rise above his mood and earn his salary. You’d be correct. But the bottom line is Moss is miserable and it’s up to the Raiders to deal with the problem.

At some point, maybe even Sunday in Kansas City, he’ll throw up his hand like old times and haul in a long one, but it’s unreasonable to expect he’ll burst out and be the force he was in Minnesota as long as he is in silver and black.

Moss remains the most important thing in Oakland’s game plan. He has been the target of 76 of 245 passes, or 31 percent. Only one receiver in the NFL _ Houston’s Andre Johnson (35 percent) gets a higher percentage of his team’s throws.

Oakland throws to Moss a fraction more than Dallas throws to Terrell Owens. More than Cincinnati throws to Chad Johnson (29.7 percent). More than St. Louis throws to Torry Holt (29.7 percent). More than Arizona throws to Anquan Boldin (29.3 percent). More than Carolina throws to Steve Smith (28 percent), More than Indianapolis throws to Marvin Harrison (26.1 percent).

Those receivers, however, play in legitimate passing attacks with quarterbacks who get something approaching adequate protection. Combine that with defensive coordinators who still defend the Raiders with Moss in foremost on their mind, and it’s a downward spiral of incomplete passes and half-hearted efforts.

The worse the Raiders play, the worse Moss plays.

Moss sounds as if he believes his team is a disaster on offense and isn’t likely to get much better. He was asked Friday about his role of team captain and brushed it off.

“Man, I mean, we do have captains, don’t get me wrong, but we really don’t have no say-so in what goes on around here in Oakland from the team standpoint,'’ Moss said.

If you think Shell may step in at some point and attempt to soothe the frustrations of his highest-paid player, guess again.

Shell said Friday he hasn’t spoken to Moss about his initial comments about his mood and frustration playing a role in his dropped passes.

It’s the same tactic he took with Andrew Walter’s criticisms of the offense. He disagreed with Walter in the press, then both parties said they didn’t discuss it with each other.

He figures both men already wish they would have expressed themselves differently and there’s no sense rehashing it with them.

With regard to Moss, Shell said initially that he hated to hear what Moss had to say and referred to it as “a problem he has.'’ But he hasn’t spoken to Moss, either.

“I said what I had to say in the paper,'’ Shell said. “I’m sure he reads the paper. I don’t have to say things. Guys that make statements, I’m not sure that they realize what they’re saying at the time, how it looks. I think that by the end of the day, they’re a little remorseful about it.'’

As Moss told Fox Sports radio Friday, “Sometimes, athletes, not just me, say things that they regret and it might come out the wrong way or how we meant to say it, but I think we do care in what we do. I care 110 percent about the game of football.'’

It’s a new day in Raiderland when the coach starts using the newspaper to do the communicating for him.

Just when you think things can’t get any more strange . . .

Friday news and notes:

– Aaron Brooks or Andrew Walter? Shell isn’t saying. Moss said on the radio Friday he thought they might be changing quarterbacks, but wasn’t sure. Shell conceded he had never gone this late into the week not knowing his starter.

“I’ve got to look at the tapes and everything,'’ Shell said. “I’ll know by game time.'’

– LT Robert Gallery and C Jake Grove each practiced for the third straight day. With no setbacks, they should both start.

– Rich Gannon will be in the booth Sunday for CBS as an analyst, and when asked by the Kansas City Star if the Raiders had a realistic chance of winning, he said, “Not really. Just being honest. I do think the Raiders’ defense is playing very well. they have some young guys who are good athletes and who play aggressively to the ball.

“But on the offensive side of the ball, it’s just the opposite. A polar opposite. It’s as bad an offense as I’ve seen in a long, long time in the NFL. Maybe ever.'’

Gannon said Oakland’s average yards to go on third down was 9 yards.

“How can you be successful if it’s always third-and-9?,'’ Gannon said.
 
I agree HBoy. Shell's verbal communication skills are horrible. He's probably uncomfortable talking with players one on one. At least it seems like that. He's alienating the team little by little. He's losing respect. Being a hall of fame player doesn't mean much at this stage. He needs to be a leader and I don't think he has exhibited much leadership. To me he's been acting like a two year old. I'm all for the more disciplined approach but meeting these problems head on one on one is more professional and would go over a lot better with the players involved and the team in general. Pouting and giving his ridiculous "I haven't talked to him about it" non communicative one liners to the media isn't getting the job done. I'm pretty disillusioned with Art after having his back initially. Back to the future --- Welcome to 1994.
 
hawaiianboy said:
Just when you think things can’t get any more strange . . .

Friday news and notes:

– Aaron Brooks or Andrew Walter? Shell isn’t saying. Moss said on the radio Friday he thought they might be changing quarterbacks, but wasn’t sure. Shell conceded he had never gone this late into the week not knowing his starter.

“I’ve got to look at the tapes and everything,'’ Shell said. “I’ll know by game time.'’
This is a great example of why Davis can't get a legitimate coach to run this ship. It's one thing for Davis to decide who the starting QB will be, but to not understand why this decision needs to be made well before kickoff is laughable.
 
i don't care how frustrated he is or how unhappy he is, or how he's not enjoying himself with the raiders. if fact, i don't care about him at all - he's turned out to be one of the worst personel decisions oakland has ever made. if we can get anything at all for him at this point I'd pull the trigger. it may be unrealistic to get more than about a 3rd rounder for moss but who knows with Davis' hard-line trading tactics. but, anything is better than nothing so i guess i'll be happy with whatever we get - if in fact we decide to move him. i don't even care what we get for this clown actually, just get the f out.

maybe we can trade him to new england for doug gabriel...
 
CrossBones said:
Aaaahhhh...perfect. Didn't see this coming. :rolleyes:

The question is, what can we realistically get for this slug? No doubt the guy is on the downside of his career. The great years he had in Minny are a distant memory and I wouldn't except to see him put up those kinds of numbers again. And with his shitty attitude I dunno. Sure the players never complain about Moss but it's the same act he brought from Minnesota. You just never fully appreciate the level of crap he pulls until you see him up close and personal and you're paying attention 100% of the time.

Al is gonna want a one for him but I'm not sure he'll be able to get it. Maybe a low first from a team who is a contender and feels they are a player away from going over the top.

I'd be ecstatic if we could snare a 2nd rounder for Moss.

I'd also like to get Porter back on the field. Perhaps that situation can still be salvaged? After all, Al Davis did say he "lost his way" and I get the impression that Al still likes Porter. I'd be OK with going into next season with Porter & Curry as our starting WR's, with Madsen & Morant as the 3rd & 4th options. More than OK with that quite frankly.
 
Well I see that we're likely to to take a step back along the O-line now that Gallery & Grove are starting over Walker & Treu. Bwahahahahahahahah
 
RaiderIVlife said:



I'd be OK with going into next season with Porter & Curry as our starting WR's, with Madsen & Morant as the 3rd & 4th options.


That would work for me as well... That's four big, strong receivers there.... After a year of standing on the sidelines watching Whitted do his thing, they should at least, uh, be well rested :eek: ...
 
I don't really get Randy Moss. His last four seasons in Minnesota, the Vikings went 28-36 yet I don't recall him asking for a trade out of there or constantly bitching about how unhappy he was. Now there were some actions (the walking off the field three seconds early for example), but he always gave the impression that he wanted to be there. Indeed he was distraught at being traded away almost akin to being dragged away to Oakland kicking and screaming. So how or why is a losing Viking team so much more appealing and more worthy of Mr. Moss' best effort that a losing Raider team? :confused:
 
hawaiianboy said:
That would work for me as well... That's four big, strong receivers there.... After a year of standing on the sidelines watching Whitted do his thing, they should at least, uh, be well rested :eek: ...

Oh shit, we agree. (BTW, I think Walsh will be gone as well)
 
Problem is that Art Shell can't seem to let this go.

Big problem.

Wake up Art. You made your point.
 
This is so wrong... this is soo fucking wrong.

Man, WTF is the matter with Art Shell!?!

What is he doing?!?
 
From Profootballtalk:

MOSS WANTS OUT OF OAKLAND


To those of you who thought we were crazy when suggesting in the offseason that the Raiders and Randy Moss were heading for a divorce -- we were right.

For a change.

On Friday, Moss finally articulated in no uncertain terms a desire to get out of Oakland, after beating around the bush during multiple public comments over the past few months suggesting that it might be time for his second fresh start in less than two years.

Said Moss on FOX Sports Radio, only days after explaining that he's dropping passes because he's in a bad mood, "It's done sort of set in, man, and I'm tired of it. I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."

Moss has stopped short of demanding a trade or a release, likely because he's smart enough (barely) to recognize that owner Al Davis would sooner pay him to rot on the bench (see Allen, Marcus) than to give Moss his way. The only thing operating in the former Pro Bowler's favor is that he's due to earn $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008.

Put simply, it might not make sense from a cap standpoint to keep Moss around.

The best move? Trade Moss for a first-day draft pick. This year, the Raiders might have been able to get a first-rounder if they'd tried to move Moss before the October 17 deadline. If, after all, Deion Branch is worth a one, Moss should be, too.

But Moss has looked less like a star and more like a slug over the past month, and unless he steps up and catches balls and scores points over the last seven weeks of the season it'll be hard for anyone to justify making a deal.

Potential candidates, as we see it, are the Cowboys, if they part ways with Terrell Owens, the Redskins, and the Dolphins. Maybe the Jets, if quarterback Chad Pennington can lobby the powers-that-be to make a move. Maybe the Jaguars, if the Meathead can do the same.

Our money is on the Cowboys. Owner Jerry Jones has long regretted his decision to pass on Monday in the 1998 draft, and Mos has had some of his best performances in Texas Stadium.

But until his fate is resolved, Randy's best move will be to shut his mouth and play football.

Then again, it might not matter that he's talking. At one point in his career, if Moss burped the AP wire would report on what it smelled like. His most recent inflammatory remarks have barely caused a ripple.
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http://www.tbo.com/sports/bucs/MGBUH0MPOUE.html

Gruden Sending Out Feelers

By IRA KAUFMAN The Tampa Tribune

Published: Nov 19, 2006

IRVING, Texas - Get used to this dateline, Buc fans.

It could be Jon Gruden's mailing address next season.

While it's unlikely the Glazers will dismiss Gruden this winter, there's a growing likelihood Tampa Bay's fifth-year coach will seek employment elsewhere.

The Tribune has learned Gruden already is sending out feelers regarding potential job opportunities for 2007. One major stumbling block is his contract status, with Gruden signed through the 2008 season.

Given the annual turnover rate among NFL coaches, several clubs will be looking for a new leader within the next two months and Gruden still generates star power.

The Cowboys, who take on the unbeaten Colts today at Texas Stadium, could make a play for Gruden's services if Bill Parcells retires, as expected.

Although Tennessee's Jeff Fisher has been linked to Dallas, Gruden may have more appeal for a savvy marketer like Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

Although his regular-season record with the Bucs would fall to 37-37 with a loss to the Redskins today, Gruden has proven he can turn a good club into a champion.

He also would provide the Cowboys with the kind of celebrity clout Jones craves as much as a Vince Lombardi Trophy.

If Jones calls the Glazers in an effort to pry Gruden out of his contract, they'd have to listen. Wouldn't you?

Jones and the Glazers already have a good relationship and the ensuing compensation issues wouldn't be insurmountable.

"That's not implausible," one NFL source said of the Gruden-to-Dallas scenario. "Ten years ago, it couldn't happen. Now, it's not a crazy idea."

Gruden could depart Tampa the same way he arrived - through the back door.

The Dallas job would be attractive to Gruden, who doesn't appear to be the type of coach to put down roots with one franchise for 15 years.

Tony Romo is a young quarterback who fits the Gruden prototype and the prospect of working with Terrell Owens undoubtedly would excite Chucky, even though Owens can be as disruptive as Keyshawn Johnson.

Gruden likes great players, and he never thought Keyshawn was great.

Faced with the prospect of several more losing seasons in Tampa, Gruden naturally is starting to feel antsy.

If he stays, Gruden could be on the verge of losing his job a year from now, with four losing seasons in a five-year span on his resume.

Bolting to Dallas could be a win-win situation all the way around. Jones gets his man, while the Glazers accelerate the rebuilding process with a slew of draft picks.

When Herm Edwards left the Jets in January with two years remaining on his contract, it cost the Chiefs only a fourth-round choice.

Gruden would command considerably more compensation.

But after years with the Glazers, would Gruden want to work with a hand's-on owner so involved in personnel decisions?

Gruden didn't finesse his way out of Oakland in 2002 because he couldn't stand Al Davis. He engineered a trade because Davis doesn't like to pay his coaches top dollar.

That isn't an issue for Jones, who may decide to take the easy way out and simply hire Fisher, whose contract expires at the end of the season.

But if Gruden's camp keeps making overtures, Jones will be tempted to call the Glazers and check out the price of juice these days.

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Wouldn't it be just our luck that we'd send Moss to the newly coached Jon Gruden Cowboys and he becomes the scary productive Moss of old?.. .
 
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