Sizing up the ‘07 QB field...

Where's the love for Tim Rattay? Short-sighted bastiches.
 
The "Rat" in his name will keep him from getting looked at.
 
Madturk said:
Let's stop all this nonsense talk about drafting a QB. Al wants to win now and he likes speed. Ladies and Gents I'd like to introduce the Raiders first round selection of the 2007 Draft, Ted Ginn.
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Not drafting second.

If we'd found a way to win some games and were 7-10, I'd agree.

But I don't see how the Raiders take Ginn with CJ on the board.
 
Texas Raider said:
Even if Quinn is taken one by Detroit, I think it's quite possible that the Raiders take JaMarcus Russell #2.

He's the prototypical Raiders selection at quarterback:

6'6, 260, excellent arm strength (one par with the strongest in the NFL), can make any throw, is mobile but a pass first run second quarterback, and plays big-boy football.

Beyond that, he's accurate (one of the highest completion percentages in college football) and is a great leader and calm under pressure.

When looking at the measurables and his performance on the field this year, what does he lack and why wouldn't he be a top 5 pick?
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Being an LSU guy and having some personal knowledge of JaMarcus back in his freshman and sophomore seasons I will flip if Oakland takes Russell anywhere in the draft, let alone 2nd overall.

What people are seeing from Russell is a good streak of about 7 games this year. But for the 2 1/2 years leading up to now, he's been inconsistent, inaccurate, jumpy, and not ready for primetime. Now, he's had a hell of a run the last 7 games and I don't want to take away from that. However, I've watched this kid for over 3 years and nothing in the last 7 games makes me think he's the next Daunte Culpepper (I'm not sure anyone wants that designation anyway) or a poor-man's Vince Young.

I worry that Russell doesn't have the smarts to pick up and efficiently run an NFL offense. Both Russell and Melvin Oliver were students that I taught in their freshman U.S. history class and while I understand writing a blue-book essay examining the failures of Reconstruction and learning an NFL playbook are two separate things, I do find it valuable to at least be able to write a coherent sentence. Seriously. These guys can barely write. For Oliver, it's not as big of a deal since he's playing the defensive line but for an NFL quarterback? Well, it makes me nervous (Vince Young's score of 7 on the Wonderlic notwithstanding).

Russell can certainly make all of the throws. He has a very live arm. His delivery is a little too loose and he sometimes tends to drop the ball to his waist before firing it out, but those can be worked on. He also has good pocket presence and can be an effective pocket quarterback if he doens't get happy feet and want to break contain. To his credit, when he does break contain, he's looking down field.

But before this season he was not an accurate passer, did not make consistently good reads, and too often broke the pocket when it wasn't necessary. Has he improved? Absolutely. Would I touch him with the #2 overall pick because he's put together a string of 7 good games? Hell no.

Physically? The guy is a 1st round talent. Mentally (in terms of intelligence and quarterbacking accumen)? We're talking 5th round talent. He'll be the type of guy that wows at the combine and private workouts, interviews "ok", and then vaults into the mid 1st round ala Kyle Boller.
 
Raider Nation said:
Being an LSU guy and having some personal knowledge of JaMarcus back in his freshman and sophomore seasons I will flip if Oakland takes Russell anywhere in the draft, let alone 2nd overall.

What people are seeing from Russell is a good streak of about 7 games this year. But for the 2 1/2 years leading up to now, he's been inconsistent, inaccurate, jumpy, and not ready for primetime. Now, he's had a hell of a run the last 7 games and I don't want to take away from that. However, I've watched this kid for over 3 years and nothing in the last 7 games makes me think he's the next Daunte Culpepper (I'm not sure anyone wants that designation anyway) or a poor-man's Vince Young.

I worry that Russell doesn't have the smarts to pick up and efficiently run an NFL offense. Both Russell and Melvin Oliver were students that I taught in their freshman U.S. history class and while I understand writing a blue-book essay examining the failures of Reconstruction and learning an NFL playbook are two separate things, I do find it valuable to at least be able to write a coherent sentence. Seriously. These guys can barely write. For Oliver, it's not as big of a deal since he's playing the defensive line but for an NFL quarterback? Well, it makes me nervous (Vince Young's score of 7 on the Wonderlic notwithstanding).

Russell can certainly make all of the throws. He has a very live arm. His delivery is a little too loose and he sometimes tends to drop the ball to his waist before firing it out, but those can be worked on. He also has good pocket presence and can be an effective pocket quarterback if he doens't get happy feet and want to break contain. To his credit, when he does break contain, he's looking down field.

But before this season he was not an accurate passer, did not make consistently good reads, and too often broke the pocket when it wasn't necessary. Has he improved? Absolutely. Would I touch him with the #2 overall pick because he's put together a string of 7 good games? Hell no.

Physically? The guy is a 1st round talent. Mentally (in terms of intelligence and quarterbacking accumen)? We're talking 5th round talent. He'll be the type of guy that wows at the combine and private workouts, interviews "ok", and then vaults into the mid 1st round ala Kyle Boller.
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Thanks for the inside info on Russell. After reading that, I too will flip if the Raiders take Russell #2.
 
Hopefully we're picking too high to consider Russell.

I'd love for him to vault into the first, though, just to push Troy Smith down a bit.
 
Russell's one of those players that either makes or breaks the career of a GM. The potential is there for a franchise QB but it's also there for a colossol bust. And while many will argue that Oakland needs to steer from the "safe" type of draft in recent memory (Gallery, Huff, etc.), missing on a guy like Russell sets any team back 4-5 yrs.

Of course, I just jinxed the guy so now he'll probably be the reincarnation of Randall Cunningham with the arms/smarts of Peyton Manning and win 6 Super Bowls.

One hot rumor... if Russell comes out and realizes his mid-1st round potential it stands to reason that a reunion of Russell and Saban would be in the works. Saban recruited the blue-chipper and loved his potential... potential that many feel is just beginning to be realized.
 
Smith's heaight, or lack thereof, will do plenty to push him down.
 
Jack's sore libido said:
Not drafting second.

If we'd found a way to win some games and were 7-10, I'd agree.

But I don't see how the Raiders take Ginn with CJ on the board.
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I was just joshing with you:p

For the record I wouldn't be disappointed if we snagged Smith with our second round pick.
 
Carr's future in Houston on the line?
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By Len Pasquarelli
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Hindsight is always 20/20. But occasionally, even on the wrong side of 50 years old and closer to viewing the daisies from the bottom side up than from planting them, memory is even clearer.

Last year at this time, we reported in "Tip Sheet" that some Houston Texans officials, for the first time during quarterback David Carr's inconsistent tenure with the franchise, were questioning internally how to proceed with the top pick in the 2002 draft.

Carr had voided the final three seasons of the seven-year contract he signed as a rookie, and the Texans ostensibly had four alternatives: Exercise a "buy back" option for three more years at a total layout of $24.5 million that included $8 million in up-front money. Take a "buy back" for two more years, through 2007, at $15.75 million total, with a $5.5 million bonus. Designate Carr as a franchise or a transition player, with a one-year qualifying offer, thus affording the Texans another season in which to further evaluate him. Or do absolutely nothing, allow Carr to become an unrestricted free agent and test the open market, and risk the possibility of losing him altogether to another team.

Our report, which suggested the Texans were at least considering the two-year "buy back" -- a move that would have saved $2.5 million in bonus money and nearly $10 million overall -- elicited a witch hunt of sorts in the Houston management offices, as some people fighting for their jobs sought to identify the source of the leak. The reaction, of course, was predictable, because the source (or sources) was right on-target.

Not surprisingly, in February, the Texans did what they have typically done during their mostly free-spending yet unproductive five-year existence: They chose the most expensive and most ill-advised option for spending owner Bob McNair's money, paying Carr an $8 million bonus that triggered three additional contract years at salaries of $5.25 million (2006), $5.5 million (2007) and $6 million (2008). Apparently, the Texans' braintrust figured Carr would develop into a franchise-level quarterback in 2006 under the expert tutelage of first-year head coach Gary Kubiak.
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can they still do a buy back? or no?
 
Basically, this was like giving Carr a 3-year contract with an $8 million dollar signing bonus.

I can easily see a scenario where the Broncos cut loose Plummer (makes $5.3 million next year) and he winds up in Houston which then causes them to cut loose Carr (who makes $5.25 million next year) who then winds up in Oakland which then causes us to cut loose Brooks (due a $5 million dollar roster bonus) who then winds up on his couch.
 
Crow said:
Smith's heaight, or lack thereof, will do plenty to push him down.
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Charlie Ward won the Heisman and was'nt even drafted- I see similarities

I was kinda looking at Smith as a possible 2nd rd selection until I saw him approach that podium to accept the Heisman..

That dude must be from Boston

He's one midget MF'er

I could care less what he's won or what he does in big games

He'd get hammered in the NFL

Numerous batted balls, confidense all shot to hell

Hey, maybe he should of went the Charlie Ward route and played basketball and drafted in rd 1 by the Knicks

F*ck a buncha of QB's in this years draft

Build that OL and get a RB and you'd see a HUGE differnce in this offense

One Walter could become succesful in...

And not to pickup soapy bucket in one hand and sponge in the other to wash Brooks or Walter's marble bags

But c'mon man

That Raiders OL would make Montana look like Todd Marinovich
 
The ONLY reason Charlie Ward wasn't drafted is because he let everyone know if he didn't get picked in the first round, he was going to play hoops.

And given that that was the first year of the salary cap, no one was willing to risk a 4th-rounder on him knowing he wouldn't sign for less than first-round money.
 
I wouldn't be upset if we threw a second at Smith. Hell it's not like we haven't burned second round picks in the past.
 
Madturk said:
I Hell it's not like we haven't burned second round picks in the past.
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I dunno Turk

When ya think about it

Raiders seem to do better in rds 2-3 than they do in the 1st the last couple of years

If we trade down like I'm hoping and get an extra 2nd, I'd still not like the pick but if they do then they do
 
Madturk said:
I wouldn't be upset if we threw a second at Smith. Hell it's not like we haven't burned second round picks in the past.
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you're right turk - we have sucked in the second round. thank god for thomas howard this year but before that we're lookin at:
2005 - Stanford Routt (jury's out but not an impact player)
2004 - Jake Grove (bust)
2003 - Teyo Johnson (bust)
2002 - Langston Walker (bust), Doug Jolley (bust)
2001 - Marques Tuiosossopo (bust)
2000 - Jerry Porter (dick)

it's actually scary when you see it on paper. good god - is it that tough to get some f'ing talent in here?

You'll understand if I'm not interested in another second round failure. I say we should take a guy with less questions surrounding him that can better translate into the pro game. Smith reminds me a lot of Seneca Wallace - great leader, mobile, high college profile but avgerage at the pro level.
 
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