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Sizing up the ‘07 QB field

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Thursday at 5:35 pm


With a quarter of the season to play, here are the quarterback candidates for the 2007 Raiders in no particular order:

Aaron Brooks. Has a scheduled $5 million bonus in the offseason. In terms of personality, Brooks isn’t what I expected at all. He’s an interesting guy with some candid things to say.

He lost most of his season with a torn pectoral muscle, and has given the Raiders offense some life the last three weeks, but has done nothing to shed the reputation of a quarterback who makes the big mistake at the worst possible time.

Andrew Walter. Not sure what Art Shell has in mind for Walter after he displayed a little too much public honesty regarding the direction of the offense. Has shown some deep passing skill, but has little mobility and seemed to wither under the avalanche pressure allowed by Oakland’s offensive line.

It’s also troubling that Walter had a poor training camp from Day 1, carried it over into the regular season and seemed to regress as the season went along. But if Al Davis really likes him, then . . .

Damon Huard, Kansas City. The Raiders struck gold with a veteran Chiefs backup once. Huard was better as a starter than anyone thought possible, but Kansas City didn’t hesitate in putting Trent Green back in charge.

Either they know something, or they’re making a mistake similar to the one they made when they went with Elvis Grbac over Rich Gannon.

Jake Plummer, Denver Broncos. Overthrown by Jay Cutler, courtesy of Mike Shanahan, Plummer will be looking for a new home. Not the classic deep thrower the Raiders covet, but a clever ball-handler who can move. Plummer won his share of games in Denver.

Byron Leftwich, Jacksonville Jaguars. A big-armed quarterback who can get it deep and would likely be compatible with Randy Moss, should the Raiders decide to keep him. Never achieved what the Jaguars had hoped, but a former first-round pick the Raiders might take a chance on.

Matt Schaub, Atlanta Falcons. Perhaps the most highly regarded backup passer in the NFL. Is getting restless in Atlanta, but is under contract through 2007.

Michael Vick, Atlanta Falcons. Probably a pipe dream, but you never know. This is one of those ideas that sounds good on the surface but would probably be a disaster unless Oakland got creative with its offense.

Creativity is not one of their strengths.

Brady Quinn, Notre Dame: Regarded as the top quarterback in the draft, Quinn is tough, mobile and got two years of learning in a Charlie Weis-coached offense which is more advanced and creative than anything the Raiders put on the field this year.

Unless the Raiders can miraculously transform their offensive line, putting a rookie starter behind it could ruin his career. Think Archie Manning, not Peyton Manning.

Chris Simms, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A free agent who throws a nice deep ball, but has been mistake prone and has decision-making issues. Just a guess, but the assumption here is that Phil Simms would do everything in his power to keep son Chris away from a potentially disasterous situation.

Any other bright ideas?

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– Jake Plummer, Denver Broncos. Overthrown by Jay Cutler, courtesy of Mike Shanahan, Plummer will be looking for a new home. Not the classic deep thrower the Raiders covet, but a clever ball-handler who can move. Plummer won his share of games in Denver.
Unless we plan on bootlegging 24/7 and fielding two 1000 yard rushers in the same year, this would be the worst signing ever for us. He might be the worst QB in the league starting when he works out the pocket. Yes even worse than Vick.
 
Bledsoe, Drew QB, Dallas Cowboys
Brooks, Aaron QB, Oakland Raiders
Brunell, Mark QB, Washington Redskins
Collins, Kerry QB, Tennessee Titans
Dorsey, Ken QB, Cleveland Browns
Harrington, Joey QB, Miami Dolphins
Huard, Damon QB, Kansas City Chiefs
Leftwich, Byron QB, Jacksonville Jaguars
McCown, Josh QB, Detroit Lions
Ramsey, Patrick QB, New York Jets
Simms, Chris QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tuiasosopo, Marques QB, Oakland Raiders
Volek, Billy QB, San Diego Chargers
Wallace, Seneca QB, Seattle Seahawks
Walter, Andrew QB, Oakland Raiders
Warner, Kurt QB, Arizona Cardinals

These are the "realistic" options next year. didnt include vick or shaub as im not sure whats going on there.

Didn't include rooks either as even if quinn was drafted hes not going to be ready to start immediately.
 
Seneca Wallace's contract was extended before the season began, Lang, so take him off the list.

At the present time, given the options presented, my preference would be go with either Andew Walter or Byron Leftwich... though I can't say that watching this season hasn't made me wonder a bit about Brady Quinn. Still, I think I'd rather go with Walter or Leftwich, beef up the offensive line, and use that draft pick on Adrian Peterson.
 
I wouldnt mind Leftwich or Shaub. Possibly even game managers such as Kitna or Harrington.

I am hoping we draft Quinn and let Walter and Quinn battle it out for the QB spot.

I'm thinking a Rivers-Brees or Johnson-Holmes scenario, where we have someone who could play, but passing on an immense talent could be a big mistake, IMO.
 
TheNextStep said:
Still, I think I'd rather go with Walter or Leftwich, beef up the offensive line, and use that draft pick on Adrian Peterson.

Thats a very good point that makes me question the Quinn pick.

I have grown tired of piling scrubs out there at QB though, which is why I always pimp Brady Quinn.

Not since Gannon have we had a smart, accurate, mobile guy who can spread it around. Quinn could essentially do that for us.
 
Dangle Porter in front of the Bears and see if we can get Griese in here for a year or so.
 
Can someone please answer me this? There seems to be an inordinate amount of rookie/inexperienced qb's starting in the NFL this season, i.e., I'm watching this Anderson kid from Cleveland in his first NFL start. These guys look like they've been playing for ten years. Why doesn't this shit ever happen with us?
 
Drew Bledsoe will probably find his way to the available list as well...

TheNextStep said:

Still, I think I'd rather go with Walter or Leftwich, beef up the offensive line, and use that draft pick on Adrian Peterson.

I could live with that... I actually really liked Leftwich coming out of Marshall... He had superb leadership skills... dude needs to learn the value of getting in better shape...
Let him and Walter battle it out I guess...

My gut tells me Chris Simms will be in a Raider uniform next season and compete with Walter for the job... There was talk that we liked him coming out of Texas, Al is a big believer in lineage and as noted, Simms throws a very accurate deep ball... Of course starting Simms would probably shift Gallery back to RT :D


Keep in mind that I'm the same guy who's gut told him it would be Brooks last offseason, but who's head said trade for Culpepper and was against signing Drew Brees aka The Lawn Gnome.... In other words, I apparently suck... I hate QB's... Bring back Vince Evans bitches...
 
If Brohm and Russell declare I really believe somebody is going to slide on draft day. I just don't see 3 QBs going in the top half of the 1st round. As far as Brooks I hope that $5 million roster bonus means goodbye. I guess Dolphin fans have it worse then us as they get to watch Brees make an assault on Marino's single season passing record while the guy they gave up a 2nd rounder for spends a year rehabbing his knee.
 
Raiderfan007 said:
I am hoping we draft Quinn and let Walter and Quinn battle it out for the QB spot.
Oakland doesn't go for scenarios like that. Atleast not in my lifetime can i remember us doing so. Nor does it have time to with us as fans already restless. i say leave the young qb battles to other teams that can afford the extra 5 years of futility that could come with that. I'd prefer to stick to the FA market and keep Walter as a backup with an open shot at the job if he can take it.
 
I'm kind of warming up to Quinn myself. To be totally honest I probably hold an unfair grudge against the guy just for coming from ND. He has a lot of what I would like leading our team.

Brooks ain't the answer long-term, that doesn't matter who's around him.

Walter? Don't know, but, he hasn't done anything to make me say, "No, we need to wait and see with Walter."

As far as all those backups, they're enticing for sure, but there's something to be said for starting fresh here that I'd just like with Quinn.

Plus, I'm not as wowed with Peterson as most. To me he's shades of Cedric Benson. Could/should be a good pro, but that's a lot of carries before ever hitting the pros. Lot of wear and tear. I'm not sure he's a sure thing.

Joe Thomas, again, fair or unfair, just scares me because he seems so similar in profile to Gallery. The same could be said for Jake Long. I'm gunshy as fuck now on linemen. :(

So the only one of these bluechippers that wows me is Calvin Johnson. I'd be down with that first I guess. But... a WR first overall. Hmm.

Right now my big board for us would be like:

1. Johnson
2. Quinn
3. Lynch

Of course in a perfect world I'd like to trade down but we know how that goes...
 
Seraph24 said:
Oakland doesn't go for scenarios like that. Atleast not in my lifetime can i remember us doing so.
Al is one to do the unexpected, so Quinn is always a possibility. Is it Likely? no.

Nor does it have time to with us as fans already restless.

Fans are getting restless? I would say getting shit kicked for five years would level us off a bit. I was restless two years ago. Now I'm embarrased.


i say leave the young qb battles to other teams that can afford the extra 5 years of futility that could come with that.

I also disagree on your young QB=five years of futility argument...Ton's of teams seem to be VERY happy with the young QB's they have taken early in recent years.

Some of those teams are also winning more than expected, whereas teams with older QB's seem to be tapering off.

Ask San Fran how they are liking Alex Smith's development. Or Tennessee with Vince Young leading them. Or San Diego and Phillip Rivers. Or Dallas with Romo. Heck even Cutler and Leinart are showing glimpses, and Washington has looked better with Campbell at the helm.

I'd prefer to stick to the FA market and keep Walter as a backup with an open shot at the job if he can take it.


Seems to me a ton of the teams who decided to go with the 'veteran presence' have sucked ass this year too. Minnisota, Detroit, Miami, Oakland, Green Bay, Washington...

IMO, we've tried the FA market more than a couple times and it hasnt worked for four years. I'm finally coming to the conclusion that I would love to risk an early pick on the top QB prospect and perhaps solidify the position for 15 years instead of stop-gapping it for the phantom playoff run Al thinks we can make with our current roster.
 
1.)Al is also fairly dependable for a slew of things, to not be too high on the idea of drafting qb's in the 1st round being one of them. Seems that his last experiment 15 years ago in that direction turned him off pretty hard. In fact Al hasn't been too surprising to me. Huff pick was fairly obvious, as were alot of his picks. When the draft field comes out, IMO Adrian Peterson(old school prototypical Raiders RB, tall,fast, and strong in a marcus allen format) will be likely the first choice on his mind, after that another RB or WR. Art Shell would probably be nibbling on his ear for a RB I think. Again though its all speculation and anything's possible. But even you yourself say its not likely. so I can't see what your point is outside of maybe that you "want" him to get Quinn and "want" that scenario.

2.)Outside of Vince Young, the rest of the qb's you've named haven't impressed me much. Even Phillip Rivers is benefiting from a dynamo RB. Which is why we are probably looking that way. All of the rest have very good RB's on their side. I highly doubt that any of them could do much w/o a legit running game. Can't say I'm sure Jordan gives us that.

Seems to me a ton of the teams who decided to go with the 'veteran presence' have sucked ass this year too. Minnisota, Detroit, Miami, Oakland, Green Bay, Washington...
Why would you be narrow sighted like that? Those same teams have suffered by far much longer when they went the young qb route while other teams eventually benefited. Joey Harrington, Dante Culpepper, Trent Green, Gus Ferrotte, and rodney peete all found better use for themselves somewhere else(maybe not culpepper though). How many young Raider qb's have ended up blowing up somewhere else? not many, because we dont invest in them. Also Green Bay didnt bring in a FA vet, the guy whose brought them their long run of wins is near his end. And good for them to get that much mileage out of him.

Either way no need to chop up my paragraphs and extend the discussion any further. you like Quinn. I like Peterson or any high caliber RB. Thats cool. I wouldnt put my money on us drafting a qb in the 1st round, not even on Vbookie. :D But you never know.

If leftwich comes free, we very well may look at him. But its still hard to say at this point who will be there. Also whats up on Volek?
 
Hey man Derek Anderson looked pretty good last night. Played well I thought, anyone got the skinny on Andersons contract?
 
Leftwich, it seems to me, is a guy waiting to get killed if he shows up in Oakland. A lack of mobility isn't going to help any QB who comesto the Raiders.

Jerry McDonald made a comment about Simms...his father (ala Archie Manning) will protect his son from getting himself into this situation. You can bet on that. There are going to be a lot of opportunities for Simms but it won't be in Oakland. If we go the FA route we're gonna have to get some old dog who is looking for one last payday before retiring.

Let's say we somehow get the first pick., And let's say Al falls down and forgets about his past experience and MO and decides to take Quinn. Sorry to beat this into the ground -- but will Quinn come to Oakland? Shit, our situation is way worse than San Diego's was when Manning duped them. Bet Eli wishes he was in SD right now! ;)

Seraph24 said:
1.)Al is also fairly dependable for a slew of things, to not be too high on the idea of drafting qb's in the 1st round being one of them
I'm with you here but I never thought Al would take another safety in the first round especially as high as number seven but he did. I suppose anything is possible. Fact is we have no idea what Al thinks. Hell he might take another tackle at #2.
 
Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of Brady Quinn and I'm very leery of JaMarcus Russell. I do like Brian Brohm, but not as high as #2 and I'd be surprised to see him last past the 1st round.

My ideal preference was taking Leinart last year... I'll still never understand passing on a guy with the pedigree, leadership, and ability of Leinart for a Safety. No offense to Michael Huff intended, I'm just saying you don't pass on potential franchise QB when your team just took over ticket sales for a guy who plays in the back-7 of a defense. But enough bitching about that...

I like Troy Smith. I know, I know, he's short. Well, so is Vick and Brees. Smith is a hell of a leader at a young age, has great poise, and is a passer who can scramble not a scrambler who can pass. His mental toughness is impressive as well. Plus, you can't deny the appeal for Al to draft another Heisman winner (Smith's a lock come Sunday).

Although it's only December, I'd be happy with Peterson/Johnson in round 1, Smith in round 2, and the middle rounds for OL/DT/TE/WR.
 
I'm with you on Leinart Natty. I have to admit when the Raiders were on the clock my heart was in my throat. I never thought in a million years he would be sitting there for the Raiders at #7. Hell, Hiesman winner, left handed, USC, leader...it just made sense to finally pull the trigger. Question: would we be that much worse off in retrospect if we had taken Leinart?

Anyway, water under the bridge. I'm not unhappy with Huff. Maybe some day he'll grow up and be another Ed Reed.
 
Drafting a Qb in the first round has proved right maybe 5-6 times in the last 16-17 years (Peyton, Mcnair, Mcknabb & Palmer,Rivers), all others were busts.

Ryan Leaf ,Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, George, McGwire, Marinovich,Klingler, Mirer, Collins, Druckenmiller, Couch etc

QB's are high risk investments

Out of the last 3 years Alex Smith, Young, Leinart, Cutler, Losman, Kyle Boller,Rex Grossman were drafted in rd 1 and that have yet to prove much

If history says anything, you could pretty much bet that 5 of those 7 QB's will flop in the NFL

The % of QB's that have done anything at all the last 16-17 drafted in the 1st rd

Man, it's like 1 outta 5

They aint good adds anyway you slice it

Picking high in rd 1 ya gotta go with the save pick and get a player that can play

RB's seem to have the most success, although some have not panned out, the odss have proven that top 10 picked RB's go on to have better careers than those of QB's

Quinn could very well be lumped into the Mannings etc

It's just to high of a risk for the Nips liking

No thanks on Quinn
 
Ugly Nipples said:
Picking high in rd 1 ya gotta go with the save pick and get a player that can play
We tried that recently. Gallery > safe pick :o

Maybe it's time the Raiders took a gamble. Just sayin'.
 
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