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Mike Shannahan and the Denver Brocos staff has a great relationship with Jake Plummer and are willing to help his situation out. Gary Kubiak really likes Jake Plummer and really isn't sold on David Carr. Broncos could let Jake walk for peanuts or flat out release him in good faith and the Texans would sign him. The Texans would then work a deal out with the Oakland Raiders on a package that would send David Carr and Eric Moulds to the Raiders in exchange for Randy Moss and a mid to late round pick. Randy Moss is very good friends with WR Andre Johnson and stated last year that Andre Johnson is overlooked and thinks he is the 2nd best WR in the NFL behind himself, Randy Moss and the two could wreak havoc. Another scenario is that rather then a mid to late round pick provided by the Raiders, another player could be named such as a Lamont Jordan if the Raiders are sold on Adrian Peterson as their choice and the Texans would surrender both David Carr, Eric Moulds and a late round pick somewhere in rounds 5 or 6.

Don't shoot the messenger just passing it along......Again just rumor talk that I heard from some folks.


My thoughts to hearing this, it wouldn't be that bad of a trade, in fact I would be all for it. David Carr has some skills and Moulds has some left in the Tank along with Veteran leadership. We could trade out of the top spot, possibly grab the best WR in the draft and still land a top RB.
 
What is David Carr's contract situation? I know he just got an extension recently.
What's our cap hit on dealing Moss?
 
Carr is the only QB out there that is semi-availible who interests me.

If we gave away Moss AND got Carr/Moulds....Highway robbery, I tell ya.

Draft AP or CJ and were rollin...
 
That sounds too good to be true.
 
I've always liked David Carr...only problem is right now the situation in Oakland is far worst than the situation in Texas. I seem to recall them having -5 yards passing against the 2-14 Raiders last year. WTF was that all about? Scary.

BUT, that trade would be good for us. We'd get a young QB with experience and good upside plus we'd get our stud running back in Peterson. We'd get what it takes most teams 2-3 years to get in one swoop. Plus we'd rid ourselves of a cancer who's better days are likely behind him. Gotta give that some serious consideration if it's got any merit at all. Plus I read a similar thing someplace else earlier today.
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a soon to be 34 year old 57 catch wr is highway robbery for us? more like them getting us bent over. I like carr, but not his contract. i'd much rather get him in FA. i dont like it for us.
 
I dunno... Kiffen I believe does have a prior relationship with Carr and should know him pretty well, and Moss would give the Texans someone with the kind of star power that could steal some thunder from the instate Cowboys, but Eric Moulds is like 35 years old...

I'm guessing the Texans believe they could walk away with a lineup that includes Moss and Johnson at the WR spots and either Peterson or Lynch as the RB.... but Jake Plummer? eww...


For us trading for Carr would probably mean trading out of the 1 spot and targeting Peterson (or Lynch)....


We're probably going to hear a crap load of scenarios, and while I'm not a big fan of his, Corkran seems to believe we'll move Moss:

LINK

Team Report

By Steve Corkran

Contra Costa Times
January 28, 2007

The Raiders hired Southern California offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin as their replacement for Art Shell. Kiffin was hired because of his ability to call plays, something managing general partner Al Davis called vital in today's NFL. Davis wanted a young, dynamic, offensive-minded coach. He got that in Kiffin, who is regarded as an offensive whiz. His philosophy is to get the ball in the hands of the high-profile players and let them make as many plays as possible. That means throwing more to WRs Randy Moss, Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry, as well as using RB LaMont Jordan more as a receiver and as a workhorse back. Kiffin intends to leave the defense to incumbent coordinator Rob Ryan and his staff. He already has enough talented skill-position players to make his system work. He likely will target a quarterback in free agency or the NFL draft as a means of finding an upgrade for Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter. He also needs to bolster an offensive line that allowed a league-worst 72 sacks and struggled with its blocking all season. One of the problems he faces is persuading Moss and Porter to put behind them the events of last season. Moss has said he doesn't want to play for the Raiders anymore, and Porter still is bitter over the way he was treated by Shell. This is a good hire from the standpoint that Davis took a chance on a young coach who has great potential, just as he did with Jon Gruden in 1998. However, Kiffin also lacks NFL experience, and he faces the daunting task of commanding the respect of a team that tuned out Shell and Norv Turner the past two seasons, once things went bad. Moss reiterated his stance that he wants out of Oakland. That puts the onus upon the Raiders of trading Moss or releasing him. Either way, the Raiders stand to incur a $4.1 million salary-cap hit if they move Moss before June 1. Look for them to accommodate Moss as a means of restoring some of the team's chemistry.

SCOUTING REPORT: DE Kevin Huntley proved a pleasant surprise last season when he got called upon to fill in for injured pass-rush specialist Lance Johnstone the final month of the season. Huntley showed a penchant for getting to the quarterback on a regular basis and being around the ball. This has the Raiders envisioning a scenario in which Huntley replaces Johnstone and even pushes starter Tyler Brayton for playing time. Huntley has impressive size, speed and strength. All he lacks is experience. Look for him to be a significant contributor next season, with a chance to crack the starting lineup.

DRAFT BUZZ: USC coach Pete Carroll shed some insight into what Kiffin likely will do if the Raiders keep the No. 1 pick. Carroll ought to know, having mentored Kiffin in recent years. Carroll said it's almost a certainty that Kiffin would push for Davis to select LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell at No. 1 because of Russell's strong arm, something that would play well in a Kiffin offense that likes to throw the ball downfield. It's almost a given that the Raiders will select a quarterback early on, given the dearth of starter-caliber quarterbacks available in free agency and the inconsistent play of Walter and Brooks last season. They also figure to target a wide receiver such as Calvin Johnson or Dwayne Jarrett, especially if Moss and/or Porter aren't brought back. Beyond that, look for the Raiders to go after a run-stuffing defensive tackle and several offensive linemen beyond the first round."
 
Oh yeah, Carr's gonna love that!

After the historic pounding he took in Houston over the last 4-5 years they're gonna ship him off to Oakland?

If it wasn't for bad luck, he wouldn't have no luck at all :p
 
I live in Houston (but have been out of the country for the past yr) and have seen a lot of D. Carr.

If it's true that Gary Kubiak wants to part with Carr, or chose to take Plummer over Carr, that is a pretty big red flag, IMO.

Kubiak knows a thing-or-two about QBing in the NFL.

D. Carr is tough, smart, well-spoken, has a good set of skillz .... etc ...

D. Carr has also done nothing but LOSE as an NFLer.

Bad team, bad line, lack of a quality supporting cast .... yes.

But honestly, as a player, Carr has not impressed me a whole hell of a lot.
He's been sort of ..... ok.

Not that kind of guy that LIFTS others around him.

Maybe he could benefit a lot from a change of scenery, I dunno.
We've seen that help others before.

Carr would be better than what we have right now, but if it's gonna dent the hell out of the salary cap he isn't worth it, IMO.
 
His contract runs through 2008 with $5.25M and $6M for salary respectively. We wouldn't have to pay for his bonus, so this is within reason. If it didn't work out, we don't lose much overall, plus the fact that Moss is scheduled to make close to twice that for each year ($9.75M and $11.25M), we'd save money by trading these players.

Moulds comes in at a respectable $2, 3 and 3M over the next three years. He's 33 and has averaged 877 yds/season, with his worst 3 years being his first two in the league (279 & 294) and this past year (557). If we did either of these trade scenarios, he would be a great #3 or 4 WR, with the ability to step up to a respectable #1 or 2 if injuries forced the issue.

Carr and Walter to battle out for the QB spot in camp; Porter, Curry, Moulds, Morant, Gabriel, Buchanon as the WR corps and still able to grab Peterson or Lynch for RB spot to lead with Fargas and Lee.
 
This would be a great sceario for the Raiders. Great. Anyway that we can dump Moss is addition by subtration.

All that being said, I don't see this happening. Not at all. Houston wouldn't be that dumb IMO.
 
Much as I love the idea of Moss, the reality of Moss has been a pain in the neck.

Carr could be the next Plunkett. Sure, why not?

I wouldn't complain about this deal, if it happened.
 
a soon to be 34 year old 57 catch wr is highway robbery for us? more like them getting us bent over. I like carr, but not his contract. i'd much rather get him in FA. i dont like it for us.

Eric Moulds is just filler. We would acquire a young (with experience) QB that might be a very solid starter in the right situation and his cap number doesn't kill us for the first 2 years. Moreover, we get to unload an overpayed locker room cancer (Randy Moss) that is clearly on the downside of his career.

How is that NOT a net gain for the Raiders?
 
How is it not a net gain ... ?

Just for the sake of argument .....

Moss may have a couple of big years left in the tank .... maybe.
Carr has never had a big year, and if it's true that Kubiak would like to move on without him, doesn't that bother you .... ?

Moss goes elsewhere and gets off again.
Carr flops in Oakland.

You think big Al will like them apples ... ?


Hey, I'm on the move Moss (and his fat salary) bandwagon.

I've just got some reservations about thinking D. Carr is gonna suddenly turn into a winner.
 
How is it not a net gain ... ?

Just for the sake of argument .....

Moss may have a couple of big years left in the tank .... maybe.
Carr has never had a big year, and if it's true that Kubiak would like to move on without him, doesn't that bother you .... ?

Moss goes elsewhere and gets off again.
Carr flops in Oakland.

You think big Al will like them apples ... ?


Hey, I'm on the move Moss (and his fat salary) bandwagon.

I've just got some reservations about thinking D. Carr is gonna suddenly turn into a winner.



Do you believe Moss is?
 
poptart said:
Hey, I'm on the move Moss (and his fat salary) bandwagon.

Something about that you don't understand .... ?


Moss is a classic frontrunner.
A 'momentum' guy.
When things are going smooth around him he can REALLY get off in a big way.
When things go sour, he disappears or is a complete pussy.

I think he has potentially a couple of good years left in him, and then I see him dropping off very dramatically.
He's all about speed, and when that gives out on him he's not going to be a guy to grind it out for a few extra years by being a precise route-runner.

There was no excuse for his behavior last year.
He was a team captain, he was paid like a king, and ..... he quit.
So I want him gone.
 
Carr and Moulds for Moss,,,,,,well I can't say I would be thrilled,,,
but I would let it happen to get rid of Moss.
Carr I like but not sold on him, I would rather have Plummer. Now If we get Carr do we still Draft Russell?
I say yes. Let these two battle it out even if Carr win the Job Russell can sit for a year or Two and then we ship Carr to Dal or somewhere....I don't think we can Bank on Carr, then again we can't bank on Russell so I would rather have them both to be insurance to each other.......
I am in the we need a Vet back up or Temp Starter even if we draft Russell.
 
Carr, Russell, Quinn, Plummer ???? This all really comes down to what the Raiders think of Andrew Walter. I'm not sold, but perhaps the Raiders DO believe in this guy? Andrew Walter is the linch pin here.
 
Hmm...

There have been some whispers that Favre would like to see the offense upgraded and, perhaps, even have the Packers trade for disgruntled Oakland receiver Randy Moss.


LINK......
 
Moulds is washed up.

Carr would be a good backup for Quinn, but we already have Walter for that.

IMO we could make a far better trade with Moss.
 
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