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Raiders v. Broncos
I went to the sports bar to catch the game expecting a loss (because there's no reason at this point to expect a win), but with the idea that I'd at least be able to focus on individual efforts and see who was out there making plays, at least. The sickening answer is: Nobody.

Don't get me wrong, Derrick Burgess busted his ass on that sack that he notched. That was all effort... but what I'm saying is that there wasn't a single person on that team in that game who made a play when we needed it. Not one. And that's very disheartening. What's worse, nobody was even in position to try to make a play the vast majority of the time. Not the vets like Moss or Sapp or Jordan. Not the youngsters like Walter or Huff or Howard.

While it wasn't nearly the debacle that was opening day against San Diego, I can honestly say that there was really not one single player who stood out last night. Nobody. And we can go to the stat sheet if we want and say "Well, Tommy Kelly had 5 tackles" but if we do, we're just bullshitting ourselves. Tommy Kelly did not stand out in any way in that game. Nobody did.

Our Wide Receivers

Randy Moss - I still think that Randy Moss has a lot of talent. I still think that Randy Moss would be a gift from heaven to a team that is in contention. I also think, however, that Moss is going to be extremely upset if the team he is on isn't winning. That is, of course, natural. The way he acts out when he's upset, however, is borderline cancerous. The guy is an unreal talent... but I can't say that I'd be mad if we moved him. Unlike some, I don't advocate doing it... but I can't say I'd be mad.

Jerry Porter - At first, I supported Coach Shell in not playing Porter. I think that when a coach takes over a team where the inmates are running the asylum, he needs to send a message that it is his way or the highway. Porter was stupid enough to allow himself to be the guy who is made an examply of. That's on Porter, as far as I'm concerned. That said, we're at a point where it is spiraling out of control. Why the change in my attitude about this? Because perception is often reality and from the what the players have said (Moss, Cooper, Sapp, not to mention the plethora of "unnamed players") it is viewed in the locker room as unfair and petty. Whereas, at first, players were all on board with Shell, he's letting this drag out too long and it sounds like it is starting to rankle other players on the team. Shell needs to either sit down and come to an amicable solution that allows Porter to play or he needs to send him packing, whether it be by trade or by way of an outright release. Sure, there are financial considerations and "equal value" considerations, but I still think that's the way to go.

Alvis Whitted - I am an Alvis Whitted apologist and I make no bones about it. I like the guy. He's always played with passion, done whatever job was asked of him, and left it all out on the field. I admire and respect that. Still, it comes down to productivity in the end... and Alvis just isn't producing. You could argue that nobody is, but when the guy who is ostensibly your #2 receiver has 8 receptions through 5 games, "I like that guy" has to go by the wayside. Having said that...

Ron Curry - I could not disagree more with the notion that Curry should be the #2 guy. Personally, I think Curry is perfect in the slot and that's where he should stay. In my opinion, Morant should get a shot at #2. Curry is a proven commodity right where he is.

"Just because I wish Al Davis would die and I criticize the Raiders constantly, that doesn't mean I'm not a fan."
Well, true and false. Yes, you're still a fan, I suppose... you're just not a very good one. And that's true regardless of how long you can lay claim to being a fan. Let me put it this way:

You are one of the first employees of a new start up company. You bust your ass and the company takes off flying. The company goes strong for several years but it eventually stagnates. While it is stagnant, you get bitter. Maybe you didn't get that promotion or maybe you don't like your new boss or whatever it may be. Either way, you're now the guy who takes 6 breaks a day, pisses and moans in the breakroom about how this job sucks and your boss is an asshole, and you're out the door at quitting time, work be damned.

Well... you were a good employee once... but you're a bad one now.

Now, I realize that these aren't exactly apples to apples, given that we're not getting paid to watch the Raiders... and I also realize that sometimes criticism is both warranted and necessary to promote discussion... but the point still stands. So, sure... get off your "I hope that old man croaks" blasts... but just reallize that you suck as a Raider fan.

And I mean that sincerely, from the bottom of my silver and black heart.

You know who I really like?
Marques Tuiasosopo. He's wrong for this system (IMO) and he's performed poorly in every opportunity that he's been given... but here's a guy that was brought in to be the heir apparent to Rich Gannon, got squeezed down to #3 on the depth chart after seeing the system change and being given a very, very short audition, yet somehow still manages to be brought up in trade talks all the time... and yet he's also the guy who sits there and says, "I'm a Raider and that's all there is too it right now. I could discuss trade scenarios, but to what end? This is what I am and where I am right now, so I'm going to be as good as I can be at it."

There's just something that you can't help but respect about a guy like that.

Why O Why
Does Terdell Sands not get more playing time? Can anybody explain that to me? Through the first 5 games, he's been our most effective and consistent defensive lineman - and, yes, I'm including Derrick Burgess in that (though not to denigrate Burgess) - and yet Tommy Kelly still gets the lion's share of the snaps in that rotation? What the hell is that?

The only thing that I can think of that makes any kind of sense is that it must be a conditioning issue. If that's the case, hey, what do you do?

LaMont Jordan
I like LaMont Jordan a lot. I like his passion for the game and, being an optimist myself, I love his optimism - such as last week's comment that "Hey, 12-4 is still out there." I love that he takes his mistakes personally. I love that when the walls are crumbling, he doesn't pout off into the sunset but rather beats his chest and says, "I'm going to get better and this team is going to get better!" I love all of that about LaMont.

But.

Just like with Whitted, it comes down to production. When you get 23 carries and you only put up 60 yards and fumble the ball away when we're down by two scores in the fourth on the road and INSIDE THE FIELD GOAL RANGE... well, again just as I said about Whitted, "I like that guy" has to go by the wayside. 23 carries for 60 yards? I know that he's got a bad offensive line in front of him and I know that our insistence on running on every first and ten don't help him, but you have to do better than that. Now, I realize that dropping Jordan right now solves nothing, given our lack of depth... but if Jordan can't start making some things happen on the playing field, you can put me near the front of the Adrian Peterson bandwagon.
 
TheNextStep said:
Don't get me wrong, Derrick Burgess busted his ass on that sack that he notched. That was all effort... but what I'm saying is that there wasn't a single person on that team in that game who made a play when we needed it. Not one. And that's very disheartening. What's worse, nobody was even in position to try to make a play the vast majority of the time. Not the vets like Moss or Sapp or Jordan. Not the youngsters like Walter or Huff or Howard.

That was the most glaring thing I noticed. Nobody seemed to be in position to make anything happen.

Just underlines that we are a really bad team right now.

As for Porter, if they can't trade him by the deadline, I say "Keyshawn" him and send him home for the rest of the year so he can't be any more of a cancer than he already is.
 
Part of that I think can be attributed to Denvers game plan as I stated in another thread. That was about as vanilla as I've seen a Mike Shanahan office in some time.

I concur with the comments on Burgess. That might have been his best game to date. Put a real nice wallop on Tatum Bell, the sack on Plummer and should be credited with the sack that Johnstone had. I think for the most part the defense played with intensity up to the final whistle. Kudos to Big Terd for the body slam. We better extend his contract. Welcome to the site Stepper.
 
Speaking of ends, the bills just picked up Anthony Hargrove form the rams for a 5th round pick...
 
Good to see you, TNS.

Personally, I thought Burgess had a great game Sunday night, leading the team in tackles and flying all over the place (Gorgeous sack, and he was the real reason for Lance's sack too)

Brayton sucks, however. He has no repertoire of moves...Only a freakin bull rush.

I get it, hes got a good motor. So what...Learn how to get to the QB and create pressure jerk off!
 
Raiderfan007 said:
Good to see you, TNS.

Personally, I thought Burgess had a great game Sunday night, leading the team in tackles and flying all over the place (Gorgeous sack, and he was the real reason for Lance's sack too)

Brayton sucks, however. He has no repertoire of moves...Only a freakin bull rush.

I get it, hes got a good motor. So what...Learn how to get to the QB and create pressure jerk off!

Actually I thought Brayton had one of his better games if that means anything. He made several nice plays including not biting on that Plummer bootleg but the guy cannot sniff the qb. How nice would it be to have Jared Allen opposite Burgess next season. I know it won't happen but did you see him run down Willie Parker yesterday.
 
Well I have some issues with LaMont Jordan. It's a little unfair as Stepper pointed out -- but still I just see him dancing too mcuh. He's be much more effective if he'd hit the hole and get a few yards than running down the LOS and get tackled for a loss or stoned for no gain.

It's just so hard to evaluate him with the way the OL has played most of the year. Although I think Gallery is doing better. Sims I didn't hear his name all game long so I'll take that as a positive. Boothe looks good to me.

Anyway, I'm not so sure running back isn't going to be high on our draft list. I still don't think we'll end up with the #1 pick.

and to thnk we thought the wordl wwas coming to aqn end in 1997 when we went 4-12.
 
Madturk said:
Part of that I think can be attributed to Denvers game plan as I stated in another thread. That was about as vanilla as I've seen a Mike Shanahan office in some time.

Denver's been playing that way just about the whole year... It's almost as if Shanahan has decided to 'Dilfer' Plummer to cut down on his bonehead tendancy to make inopportune mistakes and win with his defense.... Not a bad play really, the Denver defense is probably the fastest D in the league and he buys time to get Cutler ready for next year... As much as I hate Denver, they seem to be pushing all the right buttons the past couple of years...


As far as the defense goes, while it's true they aren't making the plays that flip the field/possesion, I like the intensity and it appears they are the verge of becoming a defense that makes plays... Alot of the times, guys like Huff, Morrison and Howard are a half step off from making key plays... Hopefully that'll come, but I like the direction it's headed....

I can't help but think that if only Burgess wasn't assbackwards and could play an effective RE... That would allow Brayton to move to his natural base end spot where his motor would be more of a factor and his lack of pass rush less of one... I'm not a big proponent of the 34, but ironically some of our moving parts may now be a better fit than when we implemented two years ago... It would allow Kelly and Brayton to fit as ends and take advantage of the quickness of Hoard and Burgess as rush backers...

Finding a quality RE that can rush the passer has eluded us for so long it may be better to end the quest and allocate the money it would take to sign a legit RE in FA to resigning Terd to play the nose and other positions of need...
 
Yep, Denver's been "protecting" Plummer all season, and he still has gone into implode mode from time to time. So their gameplan had little to do with us in my opinion.

The defense looks good, and Brayton had his most effective day yet. Still, I don't know that he has much more to give than that.

I wonder if our plan is to eventually go back to the 3-4. We've finally put more than 4 backers on the roster, and it looks like we're trying to stock up on them too. Burgess might just be able to pull off the elephant backer position that Brayton wasn't able to, and Irons seems like he's warmed to.

As far as a RE and our assbackward approach to DE's, we seem to like flipping the guys to f$@k with teams that are used to the reverse. That's why I thought Kelly was so effective at RE, he could actually muscle most LT's around, and when he was collapsing the LT into the pocket Burgess collected the sack. It was effective. Now Brayton can't duplicate that and we've lost some of our effectiveness, but then again, we lost a huge mass of man in the middle when Washington left. Something had to give.
 
Rupert said:

I wonder if our plan is to eventually go back to the 3-4. We've finally put more than 4 backers on the roster, and it looks like we're trying to stock up on them too. Burgess might just be able to pull off the elephant backer position that Brayton wasn't able to, and Irons seems like he's warmed to.

I noticed we played the 34 on some snaps yesterday with Antaj at the point, but with Burgess at end... Burgess is a converted LB, so playing him as a rush backer shouldn't be that big a deal...


As far as a RE and our assbackward approach to DE's, we seem to like flipping the guys to f$@k with teams that are used to the reverse.

IMO, we're ass backwards at end because for some reason Burgess has stated he feels more comfortable lined up on that side... While the speed vs power battle may be to our advantage on his pass rush, I do feel having to take on RT's all day in the run game takes it's toll on him... Ideally, if he needs to play LE, I'd like to limit his snaps some by rotating a Brayton or Kelly with him on obvious run downs...
 
I can't help but think that if only Burgess wasn't assbackwards and could play an effective RE... That would allow Brayton to move to his natural base end spot where his motor would be more of a factor and his lack of pass rush less of one... I'm not a big proponent of the 34, but ironically some of our moving parts may now be a better fit than when we implemented two years ago... It would allow Kelly and Brayton to fit as ends and take advantage of the quickness of Hoard and Burgess as rush backers...

I'm of the same mind. I'd very much like to see this happen.

That said, Kelly's had a harder time holding his ground than Iexpected. I suddenly wonder if he's capable of playing as a 3-4 end. He probably can, but he's really damaged my faith in his ability up to this point.
 
What's up, suckas?

I see TNS is still pontificating endlessly and HB's still repressing his inner Queer Eye.

Good to see some things don't change.
 
Nothing like announcing your entrance with authoritaaay...


Ass...
 
Raider Nation said:
What's up, suckas?

I see TNS is still pontificating endlessly and HB's still repressing his inner Queer Eye.

Good to see some things don't change.
Natty!!!! Welcome. Very happy you made it over. Can I set you up as the forum MOD now? (Please). I mean wouldn't that just about put all the ducks back where they belong?
 
No way dude... my moderatin' days are about over. It's about time I became someone's problem rather than the camp counselor.
 
Hmph. I never had the scrote to invite a damn mod from one site over to my own. I figured I'd get hogtied for such a move.

Bones has balls.


Good to see ya, Natty. How's it feel to be a civilian? ;)
 
I don't think Brayton has the size/strength to play End in the 3/4 defense (nor the speed to play End in the 4/3). I guess that would explain all the position changing with Brayton.

Tommy Kelly might be viable however. IMHO, he's a DE in either scheme.
 
Crow said:
Hmph. I never had the scrote to invite a damn mod from one site over to my own. I figured I'd get hogtied for such a move.

Bones has balls.


Good to see ya, Natty. How's it feel to be a civilian? ;)
I didn't do it. You can talk to Coconut Man for that. No matter it's good to have you here Natty. And you'll reconsider I'm sure sooner or later. ::crosses fingers::
 
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