Raiders / Chargers Game Thread

well, when you have qb who laughs at the backup yeah you can blame him period.


I dont th ink i be watching raiders season this yr.
 
So. Frigging. Depressing.

I don't even have words for how demoralizing this game was. Our young D played their hearts out for as long as they could, but our O was so bad, they just got worn down. Awful. Just, awful.

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I think it's time to start Andrew Walter.

I personally think Randy is not the receiver he used to be with the Vikings.

I hope the Raiders get some wins going for Art Shell's sake. I for one want to see Art do well. I like him as a head coach and as a human being. He has a lot of work to do.
 
DOWN goes Fraiser, DOWN goes Fraiser.

The Raiders have hit rock bottom.

That was the worst offenisve line play I have probably ever seen although I didn't get to watch a lot of Bengal games over th last 10 years!

It's very depressing when in an entire game there wasn't even one single thing to cheer about. Very reminisent of last years SD game at the Coli. The crowd looked completely spnt and depressed. The stadium was empty by the middle fo the 4th quarter. Raiders football as we have come to know it is really dead and buried. We have a different kind of thing going on in Oakland. And "something is fishy"...

Randy Moss? Wouldn't surprise me if he asked to be traded right away. Look at the expression on his face. It's a look of disbelief. He doesn't know what to do. He feels helpless.

Our offensive play calling was atrocious. Brooks is dropping seven steps and waiting for the avalanche -- and it came early and often. What eight sacks last night? Gallery and Grove are huge disappointments. I'm sick of the excuses for these two potential superstars. McQ? D'oh... garbage. He looked lost and overmatched out there.

The one bright spot may be our young linebackers and Huff. But they had no shot. Once the Chargers got a lead they were on the field a lot. Still I like their aggressiveness and quickness.

Our defensive line did absolutely nothing. Sands needs to start as he was the lone bright spot on the DL. Brayton looked pedestrian. Our pass rush was completely non exsistent.

Can't spin it any other way. We are a terrible football team. I want my vCash back on the propostion bet.

Coach Shell indeed, looked "Shell Shocked"...I'm not sure if he knows what to do after a debacle like that. He has little choice but to rant the companty line "we have to keep working"...*sigh*

Eight wins? Seems unlikely. But who knows they have to play the games and maye something will magically change. Aaron Brooks isn't the answer. I'm not sure Walter is either. Behind that offensive line I'm not sure there is an answer.
 
We waited 9 months for that?

Hopefully Al will give Shell enough time. Only hard work and persistence can salvage this thing.

I have no idea what to do or where to go from here. Bad, just plain bad.
 
The D actually played VERY well. Once they got tuned into what San Diego was doing. The OL had a couple plays here and there, but that was about it.

I don't think it's all gloom and doom, and I do think we can turn it around.

I think it's funny that no-one remembers that Art told us all it was a work in progress and he didn't expect much from the OL until mid-season.

What did he tell us about the rook? He told you he wasn't going to look like a pro-bowler, but now he sucks? Guys, he's a rook. San Diego's rook LT didn't look great either. Brayton wasn't pedestrian, he was often beating the guy, but San Diego had 4 other guys they could count on and knew how to mix it up. Of course you can when most of your line knows what it's doing. Most of ours didn't, and it certainly showed.

This is going to be a long season. The only thing to look forward to is the 2nd half, when we might be finally putting it together. For the 1st half, we've gotten our wakeup call, bright and early in week 1. We got our 9/11, it's time to build from here. In a way, I'm glad the expectations have been brought into a more realistic light. We're going to need time for the O-Line to gel. Well, at this point I'd like to see them at least be the consistency of pudding, they're full on boiling water, if not bordering on water vapor.

The defense gave the offense plenty of opportunities to work on it. I have no complaints about the D. None at all. Well, maybe not being prepared for the first couple series, but 1st week can be an eye opener, so I'll give them a little slack.

The broadcast team quoted several San Diego coaches as thinking their front seven was the best in football. So if they're right, and our OL looked like Swiss cheese, it's not too bad a thing. We just got gang-raped by the best front seven in football. It sure doesn't feel good, but we should have seen it coming. I guess that's part of all the pre-season hype. We thought we'd be drinking champagne, but we wound up drinking vinegar and blood. Mmmmm, tasty.
 
It was hard to watch how they could get to new low levels of embarrasment. Lots of people leaving the stadium by mid 4th quarter in a season opener is a sad thing to see. We know it's a new football project, yeah, but no points scored is always historic failures matter. They look like the Raiders and Chargers play in different leagues. The defence was easily dominated while the Chargers needed to. There was some opposition, specially in the second half, but lets consider they were starting a new QB with no almost no experience, they did not need to risk the ball unnecesarily, and they didn't. In the third quarter, those three and outs our defence got, can mislead you to positive conclusions, it became a game od field position for a quarter until finally the chargers won the contest when they got the ball in midfield, promptly scored a TD. They always controlled the game.

I expected the offence to play not very good, but what they displayed was horrible, and mainly because the Offensive line. Brooks hadn't the slightest chance. 9 sacks in a day is more than many teams allow in half a season.

The playcalling was innefective, but almost any scheme could be that with such an OL. The chargers were disrupting the pocket almost every play in no more than two seconds, I guess.

I'ts clear the Raiders are building from scratch, and this is only one of 16 games. It's only six percent of all opportunities. But doesn't seem like they can make the best out of those opportunities. It may take more than 10 games to get some decent level.
 
Well...the AFC West is a 3 way tie for the bottom right now...you guys have as much a chance as any!! :p
 
What a disaster.

Aaron Brooks must have been having Katrina flashbacks the way SD’s defense flooded our offensive line. Art should have pulled the whole bunch and just asked Merriman and Co. to count “alligators”.

There was plenty of blame to go around but it all begins and ends with the five stiffs we have upfront.

I will say that Turdell Sands impressed me. It might just have been because SD was running the ball up the gut on every play, but our run defense seemed to improve with him in the game. Sands and Sapp in the middle… Kelly back at DE… any thoughts?
 
Abelardo said:
It was hard to watch how they could get to new low levels of embarrasment. Lots of people leaving the stadium by mid 4th quarter in a season opener is a sad thing to see. We know it's a new football project, yeah, but no points scored is always historic failures matter. They look like the Raiders and Chargers play in different leagues. The defence was easily dominated while the Chargers needed to. There was some opposition, specially in the second half, but lets consider they were starting a new QB with no almost no experience, they did not need to risk the ball unnecesarily, and they didn't. In the third quarter, those three and outs our defence got, can mislead you to positive conclusions, it became a game od field position for a quarter until finally the chargers won the contest when they got the ball in midfield, promptly scored a TD. They always controlled the game.
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I disagree on the defense. There's a reason San Diego didn't put the ball in their QB's hands that often, they didn't want to give tha ball away, or give the defense any kind of life. It's a common theme. If the defense gets fired up, the offense can get hope, and you can lose a game in a hurry. If Rivers had thrown a pick that's returned for a TD, then what? Minimizing those chances was an integral part of their gameplan. Making our defense focus on the run was another part. They mixed the running game up very well and we still got to it (eventually). If they'd have been capable of throwing it (like Baltimore will be) our defense would have had a tougher time for sure, but that's where having an offense that can chew up some of the clock and score points comes in. San Diego had the ball for nearly 36 minutes. While that's not totally dominant on the clock, that kind of dominance is wearing on a defense. San Diego ran 59 plays to our 48. If we hadn't have lost that fumble deep in our territory, San Diego wouldn't have scored the final TD (not that they were too interested in doing so).

Our defense did a good job, but they'll be tested more next week. I think they'll hold up well.

It's the offense that worries me. We'll see what kind of adjustments this coaching staff (and the players) is capable of. Stay tuned, if you dare!
 
gst8 said:
I will say that Turdell Sands impressed me. It might just have been because SD was running the ball up the gut on every play, but our run defense seemed to improve with him in the game. Sands and Sapp in the middle… Kelly back at DE… any thoughts?
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Nah! Sapp was the weakest link against the run. He's okay, but Sands and Kelly did the best work against the run. Sapp did get better when we figured out how to deal with them, but San Diego was able to mix up the run game pretty well. They had 3 very good plays and 1 good one, add to that a reverse off one of their good plays and you'll keep the DL guessing. An iso, a counter trap and a lead play were very good. They ran a decent outside zone. And they had the reverse off the iso. Not a bad combo. The DL has to stay very alert to where the pressure is coming from. Once we got the feel, we started shutting it down.

By mid second quarter it didn't matter whether Sapp or Sands was in the game.
 
Rupert said:
Nah! Sapp was the weakest link against the run. He's okay, but Sands and Kelly did the best work against the run. Sapp did get better when we figured out how to deal with them, but San Diego was able to mix up the run game pretty well. They had 3 very good plays and 1 good one, add to that a reverse off one of their good plays and you'll keep the DL guessing. An iso, a counter trap and a lead play were very good. They ran a decent outside zone. And they had the reverse off the iso. Not a bad combo. The DL has to stay very alert to where the pressure is coming from. Once we got the feel, we started shutting it down.

By mid second quarter it didn't matter whether Sapp or Sands was in the game.
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Good points.

I guess Sands just stood out more to me.

Hopefully he will get plenty of work, if not start, at one of the DT spots.
 
Sands stood out for me too. But consider when he stood out. Late in the game when San Diego was trying to run out the clock. The Ol was already tired and Sands was fresh as a daisy. Dude came in and started throwing mutha's around. Then on one play they paid him back by sending him a$$ over teakettle. It was funny to see. The guy he had already punked came back to send him rolling downfield. The one moment I thought was funny in the entire game.
 
Rupert:
I still don't see how the defence played up so well. The Chargers switched to second gear and slowed the speed after the half. The Raiders defence may think they caused the stop.

If the chargers were somehow pressed by the score, they wouldva go full throttle, then our defence should meet hell on earth. The fact a RB you know is gonna carry the ball fore sure, gets more than 100 yards in the first half should be enough to damage any defence's report card. Apart from those three and outs in the third quarter, there is not enough positive facts to consider the defence to play good ball. No sacks, no fumbles, no INTs. Not a single big play. When it counted, they were dismantled by the chargers. That ended very prematurely by halftime. Wrong conclussions can be made of a game almost decided almost after 30 minutes.

The defence was not a disaster like the offence, but they made Tomlinson look like a tank running over civilians, and gave Rivers a very nice warm welcome, a one he will always remember happily. Every team would love to face such a good defence every sunday. The chargers may think that if this Raiders defence is an effective one, the rest of the league is very soft. They will pay for it.
 
Frankly I agree with Abelardo.

The defense looked much better in the second half but I think San Diego was on auto pilot by then. Just an opinion.
 
Yes, that's it. The Chargers stopped trying to score. That's why our defense stopped the run and sent them to so many three and out series. That's a crock of s#!t. If that's true, why did San Diego score 14 in the second half? That's just viewing it in the most negative light possible.

I mean, it's fine, have that opinion. But I saw it entirely differently. If you think Ladanian Tomlinson wanted to get slammed by 300 pound guys, keep thinking that's why our DL blew up those plays. If you think their OL didn't have enough pride to keep our DL off him, then go ahead and think that. The offensive play calling may have kept it out of Rivers hands too often, but there's a reason for that.

Explain why the best RB in the league got only 2.4 yards per carry when you take out his one 58 yard scamper. Cuz San Diego didn't care? That's just so much crap. I don't know where to start.
 
Its not negativity. On any sport, when a team is completely dominating the opposition tnere's naturally a drodpown in game level. What I say is they didn't do the right things, and that's a bad thing. Of course they can be fixed faster than the offence problems, and that's the difference. But whan a defence has a good performance, it gives a you at least a few points or a big play. They were contained in the third quarter mainly because of Shane Lechlers nice punts. They started those three and out drives deep in their territory and did nothing but trying to run through the middle and eat up time. I would be very careful considering that a good defensive performance. And yeah, strangely as it could be, it seemed like the chargers didn't want to score more points.
 
That's just a really odd perception and approach, especially considering today's athletes. Today's athletes are front running showboaters. They love running the score up and crushing their opponents. But somehow, you think they let up? I've never experienced that myself. It's always preached that you never take your foot off their throats. You never let them up. Once you do, they'll hand you your ass. I just don't see it the way you do. It's just not the mentality of today's athlete, at least not the successful ones. Not the winners. Maybe you see that San Diego is not a group of winners. I just didn't see that last night. Not at all.
 
I don't think the Chargers let up at all and especially not with Marty Shottenheimer being the head coach. He builds so much hate in his team towards us that letting up would damage their psyche.
 
Modern sportmen do love running the score up and crushing their opponents, but once they do, motivation changes, because then it turns into humiliation, and profesional athletes do not love to humiliate their counterparts unless they hate them. It's not classy and doesnt not builds up reputation. When a game is decided in any sport, the only thing left is to run down the clock. And strangely as it looks, the chargers did so since the beggining of the third quarter. Lots of people can see it.

I don't consider the chargers a very good team, after all they carry on Marty, the one who doesn't win playoff games, but last night they sure looked a much better team than ours in almost every aspect of the game except punting and returning punts.

Any other defence couldva put up some pressure on the predictable chargers scheme, the Raiders let them play comfortably and never made them to risk the ball. Even on third and long they went for the run, still the Raiders defence barely stood on the field. I repeat, is not as bad as the offence's performace, but being honestly I cannot say they were good -I'd love to-. Except maybe for Terdell Sands, I see no positives and his playing time it was not planned. At the same time Tommy Kelly is a big dissapointment.

The only good thing to me, is the defence can be fixed soon, while the offence may not.
 
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