Quinten Moses ....

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Looks like he's shining already, man, if he comes on and is a full time starter by week 6 or 8...

We could have a serious mad rush off the edges

Cook it up.....


"By Steve Corkran / For Sporting News 6/19/2007

Past Raiders teams rarely used the shotgun formation. However, new coach Lane Kiffin has installed the shotgun as an option for his quarterbacks, depending upon the play, the situation and what formation the defense is in at the time. This sits well with rookie quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who favored the shotgun in college and welcomes it in the NFL. Russell likes the shotgun because he feels as if he can see the field quicker and better, as well as being in a position to get rid of the ball right away if necessary. One-time Raiders assistant coach Bill Walsh, who later gained fame as the 49ers head coach, met with Kiffin and the Raiders so that Walsh could impart some wisdom on a young, inexperienced coaching staff and offer a snapshot evaluation of Kiffin's version of the West Coast offense Walsh perfected. Raiders managing general partner Al Davis facilitated the meeting of young and old coaches, at Kiffin's request, and sat in on the proceedings. This is yet another sign of Kiffin's willingness to gain insight anywhere and from anyone he can as a means of compensating for his lack of NFL experience.

SCOUTING REPORT: Rookie DE Quentin Moses already has shown signs of being the player some projected as being worthy of a first-round pick in the NFL draft. As it were, the Raiders snagged Moses in the third round with the hope he would develop into a bona fide pass-rush threat opposite standout LE Derrick Burgess. Moses uses his exceptional speed and quick moves to blow past offensive tackles and other would-be blockers to get to the quarterback. He still has a long way to go before he can be counted upon as a starter but he is pushing for playing time behind the likes of Tyler Brayton and Kevin Huntley. Don't be surprised if he is starting at some point this season or next.

MINICAMP MAYHEM: The Raiders are experimenting with the prospect of using safeties Michael Huff and Stuart Schweigert in a left-and-right setup instead of the traditional strong and free safety roles. By doing so, the responsibilities of Huff and Schweigert won't be as easy to predict, with each player assigned to handle the role of both positions when called upon. Teams last season were able to identify without much difficulty what the Raiders safeties were going to do on most plays. Hence the reason, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan wants the intention of his safeties disguised longer and better. On the surface, this should work well because Huff and Schweigert are about the same size and capable of playing both positions."
 
SportingNews said:
Moses uses his exceptional speed and quick moves to blow past offensive tackles and other would-be blockers to get to the quarterback.

Is that a result of Moses' quickness or some really slow assed tackles?



SportingNews said:
The Raiders are experimenting with the prospect of using safeties Michael Huff and Stuart Schweigert in a left-and-right setup instead of the traditional strong and free safety roles. By doing so, the responsibilities of Huff and Schweigert won't be as easy to predict, with each player assigned to handle the role of both positions when called upon. Teams last season were able to identify without much difficulty what the Raiders safeties were going to do on most plays. Hence the reason, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan wants the intention of his safeties disguised longer and better.

As long as we don't find a way to confuse ourselves, I'm all for this kind of strategy. That's great to see how RR is evolving this D.
 
Yeah, I have to say that I share SoCal's trepidation on Moses. After last year, blowing past our tackles isn't really an accomplishment, in and of itself...
 
lol...True. Catch 22. You're a bum if you dont beat them. Not really much if you do beat them.
 
No reason to start Moses in 2007 IMO. Let Huntley, Richardson & Brayton (if he's on the team of course) take the pounding on obvious run downs.

I'd be happy with a solid 15-20 snaps per game from Moses as a rookie.
 
If Moses plays better than them, he should start immediately. Plenty of reason to play him and theres no heavy downside or risk of injury to a rookie starting at DE. If his moves live up to the article, get him out there. I dont want anybody held back, not even Russell if he proves to be superior to McCown. Get as much learning out the way in 2007, because i'm not cool with 2008 being a setback because we were sitting rookies just because they were rookies and now they are second year rookies. . the odds of playoffs are slimmer than Lindsay Lohan on hunger strike in rehab. Get all the mileage you can out of your youth to get them ready for next year.

I hope Kiffin keeps his word on playing whoever plays best, because if he does, my money is on Moses, Bush, and Zach Miller starting or getting significant rotational time week 1. And I may lose my money. But thats where it is.:o :D
 
If dude is playing better, he should be playing! it's not like we are gonna win 10 games this year and having rookies on the field will jeopordize that. At best, we are an 8-8 team, get the kids in there to play and learn so next year we can try to win 8-10 games.
 
I'd be happy with a solid 15-20 snaps per game from Moses as a rookie.


Yeah I'm pretty much in the same boat... I'm real excited about Moses future but my expectations are tempered until I see him beating people once the pads go on... All O-linemen are really allowed to do right now is mirror and handfight a little... I like what I saw from Huntley once we activated him late last year... Moses may be starting by the end of the year, but I think Huntley starts and Moses gets spot snaps while he works on getting physically stronger...
 
I base my opinion primarily on the likelihood that he will be inferior in the run game to either Huntley, Brayton & probably even Richardson. I also think that's a reasonable assumption at this stage given the fact that he's a rook & the primary knock on him is physical strength.

The caveat of "if he plays better than everyone else" is a bit of a convenient opinion IMO. OF COURSE I agree with that (shrug). I just doubt that it's a realistic expectation - in 2007 anyway.

Also, this team can't afford to have a potential liability in run defense at DE, particularly when Burgess is already "smallish" on the other side and we don't have many proven run stuffers at DT. This is the main reason that Tyler Brayton might retain his roster spot - he's solid against the run and is pretty damn good at backside containment IMO.

Let him develop strength, learn the game and sheesh, it's not as though 15-20 snaps per game is scrub playing time !!!
 
IMO putting Moses next to Sapp and turning him loose gives him a great shot at being successful in his rookie year. Especially with our superior pass defense.

Teams are going to have to account for Sapp. Moses won't face double-teams. They may use a RB to chip him, but that leaves Burgess free on the other side to kill the QB. If they use a max protect scheme they'll never have a passing game against our backfield.

However you slice it, Moses should be out there pinning his ears back. It's a no-brainer to me.

Why would we use Richardson?? He's not nearly the DE Moses is.

Huntley and Moses at RDE. Let them share snaps early and see who rises to the top. Brayton can back up Burgess at LDE (which is a better position for him anyway). Richardson plays STs.
 
IMO putting Moses next to Sapp and turning him loose gives him a great shot at being successful in his rookie year. Especially with our superior pass defense.

Teams are going to have to account for Sapp. Moses won't face double-teams. They may use a RB to chip him, but that leaves Burgess free on the other side to kill the QB. If they use a max protect scheme they'll never have a passing game against our backfield.

However you slice it, Moses should be out there pinning his ears back. It's a no-brainer to me.

Why would we use Richardson?? He's not nearly the DE Moses is.

Huntley and Moses at RDE. Let them share snaps early and see who rises to the top. Brayton can back up Burgess at LDE (which is a better position for him anyway). Richardson plays STs.

Why? We play in the run first AFC West. Very physical division. A starting line of Burgess, Sapp, Kelly, & Moses would get pushed around the damn field and our great pass defense would be rendereed moot.

Let's put bodies on the field that are likely going to be better at stopping the run so that we can then situationally play guys like Sapp & Moses.
 
Jay Richardson is said to be a run stopper. Between Kelly, Sands, Richardson and Brayton we should be able to field a D-Line that can stop the run beter than Sapp, Huntley, Moses and Burgess.
 
Nips may have posted a highlight link with Moses I believe right after the draft? Couldn't find it though...so if you want to see the kid in action, check the link out. He's number 59 down the list.

You can also check out Zach Miller and Johnny Lee Higgins, Frampton and Richardson as well.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/prospects
 
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The more I watch Richardson, the more I like this kid. He didn't time well in the 40 yard dash and when researching him it is a coin toss. You have some analysist that state he's extremely strong, then you have some stating he's not strong enough.

I see this kid as a dark horse who could make this team at two positions, DE and DT. He currently is a 280lb DE who had a few nagging injuries early in his career and then finished with a good senior season. This kid is 6'6 and weighs 280lbs. He has a long rangy frame sort of like Jason Taylor or Javon Kearse. When watching film on the kid, he's got good instincts, plays balanced, shows very good backside containment and tackles better then Moses in my eyes. Not as quick off the snap as Moses and not as fluid in the hips and may make a better DT then a DE. He can easily add 20lbs to his frame without losing speed and I believe could be an affective DT. Keep your eye out on this kid.
 
We are one 290-300 pound DE away from feilding a good line. We just need a guy who can anchor the spot and hold the LOS in the run game.
 
The more I watch Richardson, the more I like this kid. He didn't time well in the 40 yard dash and when researching him it is a coin toss. You have some analysist that state he's extremely strong, then you have some stating he's not strong enough.

I see this kid as a dark horse who could make this team at two positions, DE and DT. He currently is a 280lb DE who had a few nagging injuries early in his career and then finished with a good senior season. This kid is 6'6 and weighs 280lbs. He has a long rangy frame sort of like Jason Taylor or Javon Kearse. When watching film on the kid, he's got good instincts, plays balanced, shows very good backside containment and tackles better then Moses in my eyes. Not as quick off the snap as Moses and not as fluid in the hips and may make a better DT then a DE. He can easily add 20lbs to his frame without losing speed and I believe could be an affective DT. Keep your eye out on this kid.

Ohio state doesnt recruit kids who dont have huge upside right?
 
As already stated, with Burgess being a liability against the run at LE, starting Moses would not be a great idea. He's not going to outplay any of our other ends when it comes to holding up against the run.

But in nickle situations...

15-20 snaps per game sounds about right to me.

If Ryan ever decides to tinker with the 3-4 again, Moses starting would be almost a foregone conclusion.
 
As already stated, with Burgess being a liability against the run at LE,

This I disagree with.

According to Slater's stats, and my eyes, Burgess was pretty average against the run.

Calling him a 'liability' is a pure stretch.

As a matter of fact, if anyone on our DL should be immune from being called a 'liability' it's Derrick Burgess.

starting Moses would not be a great idea. He's not going to outplay any of our other ends when it comes to holding up against the run.

A guy who is 23-24 years old, and is 6-5 260+ can definitely learn to hold up against the run with some tutleage from Millard and Ryan over the next couple years.

His talent and athleticism is off the charts...We've been able to develop guys lately too.

If Ryan ever decides to tinker with the 3-4 again, Moses starting would be almost a foregone conclusion.

Good lord, I hope we never see the 3-4 again.

Brayton and Sapp 'dominating' as DE's again?:rolleyes:

We don't have the personnel. We didnt 3 years ago when it was a total mess, and we don't now, even with our top five 4-3 defence.

Why mess with the backbone of our team?
 
As already stated, with Burgess being a liability against the run at LE, starting Moses would not be a great idea.

:confused:

I thought it was pretty evident that Burgess showed a lot of improvement against the run last year. Teams weren't running straight at him with the kind of success they had 2 years ago. I thought our DTs were more of a liability than either of our ends.
 
I disagree. Running to Brayton's/Howard's side was an exercise in futility. Running off RT, however, was consistently effective.

The interior run D was definitely an issue as well. But Burgess got washed out far too often. This is one of my main reasons for wanting to upgrade the strong side backer position. Burgess needs some help over there that he's currently not getting.
 
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