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We've been playing the mock draft games for a while now. There is the list of players and rankings compiled by PFF, there are all sorts of mock draft sites, there's combine and pro day data, what we hear from our friends and all other things.

So, who are the guys you've come to like who almost surely will not get drafted? And what makes them attractive to you as mock director of college scouting?

For me, there are a few players that have stood out on the lines. On the O-line, big guys with athleticism are are the targets.

Nick Gargiulo
, C from South Carolina is my top target. A transfer from Yale where he was team captain in 2022, the Gamecocks named him a captain in 2023. A big jump in competition level, and he plays much too high both absolutely and especially as a guy who is 6'5" 325. But he has a knack for controlling guys with good hand placement and his long arms (33 7/8) mean he gets his mits on D-linemen before they do him. The line he played on was dogmeat, and there were a handful of plays that ended with him blocking his guy while the other four O-linemen and remaining D-linemen were gathered around the sacked Spencer Rattler. And a 91.4 RAS is pretty good. For phone booth movement, on his pro day he ran the short shuttle in 7.33 -- amazing for his weight and height.

Evan Anderson, DT, Florida Atlantic. 6'3" 330. Played all 12 games in 2023 as a junior, was a team captain, and posted decent numbers against top teams in the FBS, dominated in games against similar talent. And when talking line play, he is the guy who got doubled, so with lesser talent around means he made his teammates better. He got doubled every snap of the Clemson game, and anchored very well against the run. Another guy who plays too high and gets stood up on pass rush which stops him. An NFL training program would make him literally twice as strong as he is and give him another 15 pounds of lean muscle.

Devon Vele, WR Utah. At 6'5" and 203. He's a type of WR we don't have, at he's old at 26 and played with nothing at QB and had some contested catch issues. Hand placement and coaching could make a big deal. The breakdown is that he sells his routes well, is precise in his cuts and has a big catch radius. He won't get much yac, but for a fade in the EZ, catching a ball eight yards out below a clear out with scarier WRs, he's a potential weapon. As a UDFA, for years of control for peanuts.

Sanoussi Kane, S, Purdue. Nothing special in workouts: 5'11 1/2, 207, 4.52 forty, 12 reps on the bench. Minor recuit, senior captain. In his pro day interview, was asked about being drafted, said he would like his name to be called but all he wants is a chance to compete. Very good with ten yards of the line, hits hard, sure tackler. Very good as box safety, reads well from depth, has spent time at corner. Plays much bigger than his size, in control, hits hard with solid fundamentals not launching. Guys ilke him are better off being recuited as UDFAs and picking a spot rather than stuck as a seventh rounder somewhere.

Who y'all got. @007, tell me who the WR is in your draft guide.
 
We've been playing the mock draft games for a while now. There is the list of players and rankings compiled by PFF, there are all sorts of mock draft sites, there's combine and pro day data, what we hear from our friends and all other things.

So, who are the guys you've come to like who almost surely will not get drafted? And what makes them attractive to you as mock director of college scouting?

For me, there are a few players that have stood out on the lines. On the O-line, big guys with athleticism are are the targets.

Nick Gargiulo, C from South Carolina is my top target. A transfer from Yale where he was team captain in 2022, the Gamecocks named him a captain in 2023. A big jump in competition level, and he plays much too high both absolutely and especially as a guy who is 6'5" 325. But he has a knack for controlling guys with good hand placement and his long arms (33 7/8) mean he gets his mits on D-linemen before they do him. The line he played on was dogmeat, and there were a handful of plays that ended with him blocking his guy while the other four O-linemen and remaining D-linemen were gathered around the sacked Spencer Rattler. And a 91.4 RAS is pretty good. For phone booth movement, on his pro day he ran the short shuttle in 7.33 -- amazing for his weight and height.

Evan Anderson, DT, Florida Atlantic. 6'3" 330. Played all 12 games in 2023 as a junior, was a team captain, and posted decent numbers against top teams in the FBS, dominated in games against similar talent. And when talking line play, he is the guy who got doubled, so with lesser talent around means he made his teammates better. He got doubled every snap of the Clemson game, and anchored very well against the run. Another guy who plays too high and gets stood up on pass rush which stops him. An NFL training program would make him literally twice as strong as he is and give him another 15 pounds of lean muscle.

Devon Vele, WR Utah. At 6'5" and 203. He's a type of WR we don't have, at he's old at 26 and played with nothing at QB and had some contested catch issues. Hand placement and coaching could make a big deal. The breakdown is that he sells his routes well, is precise in his cuts and has a big catch radius. He won't get much yac, but for a fade in the EZ, catching a ball eight yards out below a clear out with scarier WRs, he's a potential weapon. As a UDFA, for years of control for peanuts.

Sanoussi Kane, S, Purdue. Nothing special in workouts: 5'11 1/2, 207, 4.52 forty, 12 reps on the bench. Minor recuit, senior captain. In his pro day interview, was asked about being drafted, said he would like his name to be called but all he wants is a chance to compete. Very good with ten yards of the line, hits hard, sure tackler. Very good as box safety, reads well from depth, has spent time at corner. Plays much bigger than his size, in control, hits hard with solid fundamentals not launching. Guys ilke him are better off being recuited as UDFAs and picking a spot rather than stuck as a seventh rounder somewhere.

Who y'all got. @007, tell me who the WR is in your draft guide.
My NH RB Dylan Laube is probably a late round pick that could end up lost in the shuffle as a UDFA.
 
WTF, I can't even get through a 4th round mock and you're doing UDFA's?

Dude, when I get into the sixth and seventh rounds, I'm looking at guys who fit what I'm looking for at positions and realizing PFF has most of them ranked in the late 200s or 300s -- and so does the one other place I check. You don't draft guys you can sign as UDFAs unless for some reason you believe you want them enough to overdraft and not take someone else.

Sooner or later, this is gonna be a thread. Why not start now?
 
Usually I like the physical freak upside guys super late or UDFA.

Maybe a position change shot in the dark or specialized returner etc.

I’ll spit out a few late round type guys I like tomorrow. Most will be from the pac 12 (RIP) as those are the games I get the most where I live.
 
We've been playing the mock draft games for a while now. There is the list of players and rankings compiled by PFF, there are all sorts of mock draft sites, there's combine and pro day data, what we hear from our friends and all other things.

So, who are the guys you've come to like who almost surely will not get drafted? And what makes them attractive to you as mock director of college scouting?

For me, there are a few players that have stood out on the lines. On the O-line, big guys with athleticism are are the targets.

Nick Gargiulo, C from South Carolina is my top target. A transfer from Yale where he was team captain in 2022, the Gamecocks named him a captain in 2023. A big jump in competition level, and he plays much too high both absolutely and especially as a guy who is 6'5" 325. But he has a knack for controlling guys with good hand placement and his long arms (33 7/8) mean he gets his mits on D-linemen before they do him. The line he played on was dogmeat, and there were a handful of plays that ended with him blocking his guy while the other four O-linemen and remaining D-linemen were gathered around the sacked Spencer Rattler. And a 91.4 RAS is pretty good. For phone booth movement, on his pro day he ran the short shuttle in 7.33 -- amazing for his weight and height.

Evan Anderson, DT, Florida Atlantic. 6'3" 330. Played all 12 games in 2023 as a junior, was a team captain, and posted decent numbers against top teams in the FBS, dominated in games against similar talent. And when talking line play, he is the guy who got doubled, so with lesser talent around means he made his teammates better. He got doubled every snap of the Clemson game, and anchored very well against the run. Another guy who plays too high and gets stood up on pass rush which stops him. An NFL training program would make him literally twice as strong as he is and give him another 15 pounds of lean muscle.

Devon Vele, WR Utah. At 6'5" and 203. He's a type of WR we don't have, at he's old at 26 and played with nothing at QB and had some contested catch issues. Hand placement and coaching could make a big deal. The breakdown is that he sells his routes well, is precise in his cuts and has a big catch radius. He won't get much yac, but for a fade in the EZ, catching a ball eight yards out below a clear out with scarier WRs, he's a potential weapon. As a UDFA, for years of control for peanuts.

Sanoussi Kane, S, Purdue. Nothing special in workouts: 5'11 1/2, 207, 4.52 forty, 12 reps on the bench. Minor recuit, senior captain. In his pro day interview, was asked about being drafted, said he would like his name to be called but all he wants is a chance to compete. Very good with ten yards of the line, hits hard, sure tackler. Very good as box safety, reads well from depth, has spent time at corner. Plays much bigger than his size, in control, hits hard with solid fundamentals not launching. Guys ilke him are better off being recuited as UDFAs and picking a spot rather than stuck as a seventh rounder somewhere.

Who y'all got. @007, tell me who the WR is in your draft guide.
Good shit, man.
 
It’s why I was upset when the Raiders passed on OG T. Smith in the 5th & 6th rounds, just to watch KC snatch him early in the 7th.
:killme:
Mayock actually did an interview recently and said he wanted to draft him but doctors wouldn’t clear some heart condition Trey has.
 
Washington S -Dominique Hampton
Big (6-2 220 or so) and a ton of reps playing all over the Huskies D. Ran a decent 4.5 at the combine. Led the team in tackles last year and made enough plays on the ball that he might have a shot for defensive reps but special teams will be his calling card.

UCLA RB -Carson Steele
NFL size (6-1 220) and has some great experience in the passing game. Also low enough tread on the tires. Had a huge game against Wash St and looked like he might have potential.

Oregon CB - Khyree Jackson
6-4 corner who had a good combine and showed some athletic juice. Didnt play a ton in college but you sometimes just take a swing late in the draft or pay a UDFA good money and end up walking away with a freak. I could see him having the traits and size to stick around even on special teams.
 
Mayock actually did an interview recently and said he wanted to draft him but doctors wouldn’t clear some heart condition Trey has.
Wouldn’t clear a 6th round pick?

GTFOOH. That’s an indictment on the GM, no? What happened to low risk and reward?
 
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Wouldn’t clear a 6th round pick?

GTFOOH. That’s an indictment on the GM, no? What happened to low risk and huge reward?

Some teams have medical staff that are given big time final say on prospects. If the dude isnt signed off by the medical staff or flagged with a condition they dont like they done. Like they can remove them right off a board or move them into a certain category/UDFA etc. I think it was Mayock who said that somewhere too.
 
Some teams have medical staff that are given big time final say on prospects. If the dude isnt signed off by the medical staff or flagged with a condition they dont like they done. Like they can remove them right off a board or move them into a certain category/UDFA etc. I think it was Mayock who said that somewhere too.
You’re saying it’s always binary?

You don’t have a (Murist Hurst) sliding scale?

6th round picks are where you take medical risks, no?
 
You’re saying it’s always binary?

You don’t have a (Murist Hurst) sliding scale?

6th round picks are where you take medical risks, no?

I don’t have a sliding scale or a say in the matter.
 
On the medical thing, context matters.

A guy who played safety for the Stealers a while ago was deactivated when they played in Denver. Developed something that led to his gall bladder and spleen; and playing at altitude meant there was a chance he could die in a collision. Missed 4 total games, including a playoff game.

Playing in the division, that guy's off the board. Not always binary, but sometimes.
 
Severity of the injury, grade on the player, what position they play and the needs on our team etc would all come into play if I had a say. I assume some teams take more risks than others. Didnt we joke for years about Reggie taking injured guys all the time?

A guy like Trey Smith in round 6 or whatever sounds great. We all liked him. Andrew Voorhees last year made great sense as he was likely a day 2 guard who slipped late because of a bad injury during the draft process.

I likely wouldnt have taken DJ Hayden or Tyree Wilson or Caleb Farley in round one etc if I was in charge because you might be writing off a year or two to train and recover as a best case scenario.
 
Severity of the injury, grade on the player, what position they play and the needs on our team etc would all come into play if I had a say. I assume some teams take more risks than others. Didnt we joke for years about Reggie taking injured guys all the time?

A guy like Trey Smith in round 6 or whatever sounds great. We all liked him. Andrew Voorhees last year made great sense as he was likely a day 2 guard who slipped late because of a bad injury during the draft process.

I likely wouldnt have taken DJ Hayden or Tyree Wilson or Caleb Farley in round one etc if I was in charge because you might be writing off a year or two to train and recover as a best case scenario.
And those three had significant risk for NEVER being right after their injuries.

On the other hand a Jeffrey Simmons type in the 20s with a simple knee injury has a really good chance of returning to dominant form after half a season off in his rookie year.
 
And those three had significant risk for NEVER being right after their injuries.

On the other hand a Jeffrey Simmons type in the 20s with a simple knee injury has a really good chance of returning to dominant form after half a season off in his rookie year.

Yep and I believe this forum was really high on Simmons. He was likely a top 10 talent. Worth the risk.
 
Yep. Lots of us were clambering for him.

I remember the Mixon draft where I really wanted to target him in round two, people shit on me for the domestic violence risk etc and then we took Conley in round one anyway and everything changed and opinions flipped quick lmfao.
 
Severity of the injury, grade on the player, what position they play and the needs on our team etc would all come into play if I had a say. I assume some teams take more risks than others. Didnt we joke for years about Reggie taking injured guys all the time?

A guy like Trey Smith in round 6 or whatever sounds great. We all liked him. Andrew Voorhees last year made great sense as he was likely a day 2 guard who slipped late because of a bad injury during the draft process.

I likely wouldnt have taken DJ Hayden or Tyree Wilson or Caleb Farley in round one etc if I was in charge because you might be writing off a year or two to train and recover as a best case scenario.
I think it really depends on the player and where in the draft you are looking to take him. That DT a few years ago that the Titans took was a great example of a team saying great player, great upside, and although injured still worth the pick and waiting for him to recover. Tyree was more of a project with what looks like great upside, however not fantastic production and now injured. So now you have an injured guy as well as someone who needs time to develop. Just not a great pick.
 
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