Post game thread 10/8

[Crossbones]

Wow...like most everybody else I'm not sure what to say at this point.

The talking heads who have been calling us the worse team in the league are toasting each other right now. I personally never believed that but at some point you have to really ask yourself if indeed it's true.

Denver next week in the Mile High city...I'll be here!

 

[hawaiianboy]

What's really discouraging is that in every game, our half time adjustments have been nonexistent, especially offensively.... That's on the coaches...


I really, really didn't like that they pulled Walter... There's only so much you can learn in a practice situation... There's no reason that he shouldn't have been out there getting as many snaps as possible under his belt....


Langston, Schweigert and Randall Williams should be riding the bench...


I have a feeling it's going to get real ugly for this organization in the coming weeks... 10 losses in a row and counting and frustration amongst the vets very obvious... I think at this point you look to dump Moss and Porter and build up the draft chest and build this team the right way... I'd even call Philly and see if they'd want Jordan for their playoff run with Westbrook's knee so bad...

We may as well play the young guys and let them take their lumps and gain experience... As fans we're going to eat crap from opposing fans, mediots and most unfortunately fellow Raider fans, if ya know what I mean...

 

[Psycho Magnet]

dark times are upon friends. It's going to get worse before it gets better I'm afraid. This is painful.

 

[Crossbones]

What's really discouraging is that in every game, our half time adjustments have been nonexistent, especially offensively.... That's on the coaches...

And that really makes me mad.

I really, really didn't like that they pulled Walter... There's only so much you can learn in a practice situation... There's no reason that he shouldn't have been out there getting as many snaps as possible under his belt....

To me this was the worst possible message the coaches could have sent to Walter. In other words "we gave on on your early kid". I mean what did Walter do that was so bad? That lateral (backwards pass) miscue was totally on Jordan. Walter played quite well IMO in the first half. The guy had great poise, took off and ran a couple of times when he needed to and his passes looked sharpe and had zip on them. What more do we want from a kid in his second NFL start?

Langston, Schweigert and Randall Williams should be riding the bench...

All three looked bad today -- no doubt abut it. I think Walker will be benched next week.

I have a feeling it's going to get real ugly for this organization in the coming weeks... 10 losses in a row and counting and frustration amongst the vets very obvious... I think at this point you look to dump Moss and Porter and build up the draft chest and build this team the right way... I'd even call Philly and see if they'd want Jordan for their playoff run with Westbrook's knee so bad...

In the many years I've followed the Raiders they have NEVER done this. It may be time now to blow this thing up and rebuild the right way as you say Hboy. Will Al do that? Probably not.

...and most unfortunately fellow Raider fans, if ya know what I mean...

Well I could take a wild guess.

 

[hawaiianboy]

Draft talk is going to come especially early this year, but I'm almost afraid to pimp anyone... Seeems alot of players I pimp come back to haunt the Raiders... Merriman a couple of years ago and McNeil/Lawson so far this year...

 

[hawaiianboy]

Oh goody.... I just noticed we play in the Sunday Night game next week.... We get to hear the announcers make fun of us with the world watching... and you know Shanahan is going to do everything possible to kick us when we're down....


The 'Raiders passed on Leinart' thing should be in full effect as well....


Then again, the Raiders lost 4 in a row in Calahan's first year the 4th loss being against the Niners, then turned the season around with a win at Denver the following week.... Yeah that's the ticket... Rod Woodson still plays for us, right?...

 

[hawaiianboy]

From PFT:

Mort also says that the Raiders won't be trading WR Randy Moss, but that WR Jerry Porter could be shipped out by the October 17 trade deadline.

Wouldn't it had made sense to actually showcase him today if we were going to trade him this week?... Come to think of it, maybe we were showcasing Tui for a potential trade?...

 

[TommyGirl]

I wondered that about Tui, myself. Not much time 'til the trading deadline, but maybe I was just trying to put a positive spin on the fact that Walter was pulled, if only in my own thinking. I mean, sheesh. Let the guy take some knocks and learn from his mistakes. Yeah, I'm an ASU homer. Yeah, he's from Colorado, but the thought of having Brooks back out there is making me sick to my stomach.

And Denver on Sunday night. Monday morning is likely to suck out here in Coloraddy.

 

[Turo]

So. Fucking. Horrible.

I don't know how much more of this I can take.

 

[Rupert]

Walter was pulled to prevent shell-shock. The kid had fallen into a rut. He was shut down because it wasn't working, just like Brooks was in week one.

 

[Limee]

I don't know how much more of this I can take.

There is a theory that you only get as much as you can deal with in life. I guess we all said as much as you can dish out.

We really do need to start thinking longer term than the next game, but I still maintain that too many players on this roster don't know what it feels like to win at this level. At the moment it really is hard to see us winning a game.

I think free agency is going to be very important to us. We need to find some veteran leadership to help us out.

 

[RNorris]

I think free agency is going to be very important to us. We need to find some veteran leadership to help us out.

Problem there is two fold.

For one we are usually cash strapped and have to pass on the really expensive guys ...

And two, with the losing we have done over the last 3 + years, this isn't a desirable location for free agents.

 

[RaiderIVlife]

But for the drops by Moss and Randall Williams (again !!), Walter would've posted brilliant first half numbers. I'm not going to make a huge issue of the Walter benching, but I do hope he's starting in Denver next week.

Langston Walker, Randall Williams, LaMont Jordan, Alvis Whitted should see their PT cut by the following players:

Paul McQuistan, John Madsen, Justin Fargas and Ronald Curry.

BTW - Looks like Robert Gallery had his best game at LT thus far. Walter had plenty of time for the most part and aside from Walker, our line was pretty good overall IMO.

I'll take the good wherever it may be found at this point.

 

[Crossbones]

Good point. The OL played a .ot better yesterday especially in pass protection. And Gallery may have had his best game to date.

Hey it's something.

 

[Abelardo]

This is a team of half efforts, and you don't win games with that. The offence and the defence now begin to look similar, so they have the same touch. Pulling Walter out is a disrespect, specially cos we all know Tui is a turnover machine, fortunately he only had time to throw two INTs. Art Shell is the captain of a sinking ship and doesn't give orders of any kind. They don't pump out the water, they don't throw the lifeboats... But how can a statue give orders of any kind?

It's to soon to judge his work, but right now he ain't doing shit. Even Norv Turdner looks smart compared to him... but let's wait and see, it's only four games and it is not possible to make deep judgements.

 

[Limee]

Problem there is two fold.

For one we are usually cash strapped and have to pass on the really expensive guys ...

And two, with the losing we have done over the last 3 + years, this isn't a desirable location for free agents.

You are not wrong there. That is why I would strongly consider trading Moss and/or Porter especially if the second report about us not taking a big hit on next years cap for Moss is true. We need to find some serious money if we are going to persuade people to come here.

I do think that we have more than enough youth on the team where we could gamble on a couple of "washed up" vets who we may be able to get a year or 2 out of without breaking the bank.

 

[Crossbones]

The scary part is we are in danger of having a very high draft pick who might go Eli Manning on us. Wouldn't that just be the final insult to the Raider organization?

 

[Abelardo]

Yeah, who wants to play or coach here these days?

 

[Crossbones]

Yeah, who wants to play or coach here these days?

While I don't have anything like in writing but it sure does seems clear that a lot of people don't want to be the head man in Oakland. Al insists these folks have never been offered the job. That may or may not be true. We just have no way of knowing. But neverthless there have been a lot of HC names tossed around and for one reason or another they just don't end up in Oakland.

I think Art Shell gets two full years anyway which is only fair I suppose. But after that I really wonder who will come to Oakland. This is most disturbing because there are only 32 of these jobs in the world and to think a potential HC would pass on an opportunity for an NFL HC job is frightening.

I'm just hoping this doesn't spill over into the FA market and the draft where players really don't want to come here.

 

[hawaiianboy]

I think Art Shell gets two full years anyway which is only fair I suppose. But after that I really wonder who will come to Oakland. This is most disturbing because there are only 32 of these jobs in the world and to think a potential HC would pass on an opportunity for an NFL HC job is frightening.

When I look at the obvious pain in Art's face and the stress he must be under coupled with his diabetes, I can't help thinking that we may see Art stepping aside for health reasons come the end of the year... I really think the plan was to have Art in place as management sooner than later with Al's health considerations....

Ideally, we'd have a young up and comer on staff to promote when Art gets his bump up, but unless that's Rob Ryan I just don't see him... and it's hard to get a read on Ryan as a potential HC since we never get to hear him speak...

I think Al was on the right track with Petrino, it's just unfortunate that a deal couldn't be reached for whatever reasons... As it stands now, we'd probably either have to give a guy like Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells a piece of the team and GM authority or reach into the college ranks for an up and comer looking for a pro shot... It's unlikely, but a guy like West Virginia's Rich Rodriguez would be ideal IMO... Lots of energy and very innovative offensively... :: We could offer a boatload of cash and hope for the best... Maybe even give a guy like Lane Kiffen a shot... Even though, like Gruden he doesn't have the head coaching experience, he's highly thought of as a young can't miss eventual head coach...

I'm just hoping this doesn't spill over into the FA market and the draft where players really don't want to come here.

Between the consecutive losing seasons and the Porter/Moss drama, we're going to have to overpay and maybe take chances on players others don't want (Haynesworth, TO.) till we turn it around....