Pfft! Defense does disappearing act

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Pfft! Defense does disappearing act
Contra Costa Times
Article Launched: 11/19/2007 02:59:10 AM PST
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Suspense hung in the Metrodome's bubble-wrapped air Sunday as the Raiders closed out their sixth consecutive loss, a 29-22 decision to the Minnesota Vikings.
No, we weren't expecting quarterback JaMarcus Russell to dash off the bench for his debut (and thus contradict ESPN's pregame report that he'll be formally unveiled Dec. 2 against the Denver Broncos).
Nor was the suspense whether Daunte Culpepper's Hail Mary pass would deliver a tying touchdown as time expired.
What really had press row on the edge of its blue-cushioned seats was this number: 500.
Could the Minnesota Vikings offense really hit the 500-yard mark?
Could the Vikings do so despite turning the ball over four times before halftime? Could they do it without rookie running sensation Adrian Peterson?
They didn't do it, settling for a mere 478 yards, the most the Raiders have allowed since the 2004 Norv Turner Administration.
In related news, the Raiders had 478 missed tackles Sunday. Credit plenty of them to safeties Stuart "The Turnstile" Schweigert and Michael "The Missing Man" Huff. They weren't so much a last line of defense as they were a punch line to a joke, the one played on them by Chester Taylor, who ran for 164 yards and three touchdowns.
"We couldn't stop the run. That was the main problem," Huff said. "He's a great back, and we missed a few tackles, and we were in different gaps sometimes."
Yeah, like The Gap a few blocks down on 8th Street. How often was Huff on the field?
"I played every snap," Huff replied.
He fooled us. He's been far too invisible for a 2006 first-round draft pick.

Schweigert was much more noticeable. He missed Taylor at the 6-yard line on Taylor's first touchdown, and he missed him at the 30 on Taylor's second touchdown run. Huff, meanwhile, missed a shot at Taylor in the backfield on touchdown No. 3.
"There were some opportunities where it was just me and him in the hole, and I didn't get him down," said Schweigert, noting that he was hampered by a leg injury he sustained on the Vikings' first play.

Chalk up other missed tackles to a linebacker corps that looked far too soft and out of position, and thus drew the frequent wrath of defensive coordinator Rob Ryan.
"We were very aggressive and missed a couple plays," linebacker Kirk Morrison said. "... We just missed tackles. When you play a team like that, you can't miss tackles."
As for the Raiders defensive linemen, they were joking around when the media entered the locker room. Well, not all of them, not grizzled veteran Warren Sapp, who's seen so much bad football that he had to vent about it.
"We're just an undisciplined unit as a whole. The whole (expletive) team, from top to bottom," Sapp said. "There's no doubt about it. It's indicative when you jump offside with 12 seconds left on the clock and get 10 of those 12 seconds run off the clock (because the penalty occurred within the final two minutes of the game). We just do undisciplined stuff all the time."
While wide receiver Tim Dwight's false-start penalty at the 12-second mark sped up the Raiders' unhappy ending, let's not pick too much on the Raiders offense. Sure, the offense had its red-zone shortcomings, but it did rack up 372 yards in Culpepper's homecoming here.
Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said: "It's a story of a lot of points left out there (by the Raiders offense) and a lot of missed tackles and a lot of what-ifs."
As in, what if the Raiders weren't caught off-guard on the game's first snap? The Vikings lined up with an empty backfield, then next thing you know, they're running a reverse and rookie wide receiver Sidney Rice is launching his first NFL pass 55 yards on the fly to wide-open tight end Visanthe Shiancoe, whom Schweigert dragged down at the 5-yard line for a 79-yard wake-up call.
"People run plays like that because you're undisciplined," Sapp said. "A double-reverse pass? That's because you're undisciplined. That's why people run plays like that."
Morrison claimed the Vikings ran trick plays "because they felt they couldn't run the ball on us."
Huh? What game was he watching? Was he shopping at The Gap, too?
"Even with our losses, teams don't put up a lot of yards," Schweigert said. "Today they had a good game plan and executed it well."

As for the Raiders, they gave new meaning to the term: "Tackling dummies."

Contact Cam Inman at cinman@bayareanewsgroup.com.
 
"We were very aggressive and missed a couple plays," linebacker Kirk Morrison said. "... We just missed tackles.
Sounds like Morrision is part of the problem. Like missing tackles is just part of the deal. Oh well. Jesus.

Not feelin' your attitude bro.
 
and now an editorial by jatflly:

Here we are again with the same old shit. yes we have defensive problems and o-line problems still nothing changes from game to game almost......So you know what this tell me.....SOME PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO GET WHACKED!!!!!!

in the off-season, don't be surprised that Sapp, Sims, Newberry, McQuistan, Stu, Brayton, Jordon, Rhoades, Culpepper, McCown, Walter, Grove, Sands, and possibly a position coach are gone.

I think Lane knows now he had inferior talent this year and now he is into this season he is starting to be woken up to that Fact. I am positive he wasn't aware how a custom this group is used to losing and being just inferior..... So I can see major changes coming.

I like what the offensive side looks like and we all know Ryan is better then what they showed this year, you know it's funny when we first switched the D to the 3-4 and Ryan figured it out that Sapp couldn't really be used in a 3-4 he switched back to the 4-3. Well I think those days are over. I wouldn't be surprised to see a (I think we move to a 3-4, once in the off-season we cut Sapp & he goes to N.E.) Vet LB come in and move to the inside with Morrison to tutor the young guys next year...

Then we have Kelly Burgess and Run Stuffing FA at the DT spot next year.

I love Ryan and think he can turn it around as soon as we drop some dead weight

I also think we have to get JR playing sooner then later. I need to get comfortable with Miller, Higgins, Curry and Madsen. Those may be the only one pass catchers on the team next year.

Oh I am off the Culpepper & Mcclown bandwagon. They both stink...............Culpepper make bad decisions, can hold on to a football, and seems to be able to throw a deep ball but not much else. Mcclown is a joke...He can't move the offense and doesn't seem to remember Porter is on his team.

Jordon's BS has worn thin on me too, time to cut him and move on. I am not sure what is going on with Rhoades not playing my guess is he pissed off coaches or looked bad in practice.........

I like Cable and I like Kiffin, the O seems to be headed in a better position to put up points. If we can stop the flood gates from being opened ever effin time the QB goes back to pass........
 
Sounds like Morrision is part of the problem. Like missing tackles is just part of the deal. Oh well. Jesus.

Not feelin' your attitude bro.
That is sort of why in the past I have almost sounded like I was defending Stu, There is no way in the world we should be depending on the S to tackle a Running back that is running up the middle...........I love Thomas and Morrison but they over pursue way to effin much. It is part of the issue.....
 
"We're just an undisciplined unit as a whole. The whole (expletive) team, from top to bottom," Sapp said. "There's no doubt about it. It's indicative when you jump offside with 12 seconds left on the clock and get 10 of those 12 seconds run off the clock (because the penalty occurred within the final two minutes of the game). We just do undisciplined stuff all the time."


- W. Sapp



Yep, going on 5 year (and 3 coaches) later, the Oakland Raiders are still the dumbest team in America.
 
I've backed Rob Ryan since Day-1, but I'm starting to come around to the idea of Monte Kiffin coaching this 'D'. I think he'd be a breath of fresh air. We still need an upgrade at certain positions, but Kiffin Sr. might be the better option?
 
The defence has had enough time to be good. Also has been served with very high picks. Rob Ryan is not a rookie like Chandler Kiffin. His players overpursue most of the time. You have to wonder: Why is it possible that every running back, stellar or not, almost always gets a career day?

I don't think it has to do only with players, it's not because of Stu, or Sands... There have been in the NFL history worst teams and they don't show up their ass so quickly to be abbused like our defence does every weekend. We don't have the talent? No excuse, cos we've had tons of high picks after losing the SB, and some of them very high; still people oversimplifies the matter saying we only have to replace some things here and there and everything will be OK.

No, there's something very bad in this team and some new players just won't be enough to fix it. The reality is we need smarter people. Kiffin is new, and gets his free pass, though he hasn't proved absolutely anything yet. Jury is still out on him, even if a lot of people love the guy. Ryan is a lost case IMO. He can be an intense personality on the field, but his players don't seem to be using their brains too much. Good muscles require a good brain to be controlled. Let's face it: Ryan is there for the same reason Gallery is playing: Al Davis loves their looks.
 
Ryan is gone.

Take that to the bank.


Ya, Ryan is OUT!! As are half the defensive roster. And the bad thing about that is it wont help because we will be putting in another system for guys to learn and get accustomed to. This is just tiring...........
 
Ya, Ryan is OUT!! As are half the defensive roster. And the bad thing about that is it wont help because we will be putting in another system for guys to learn and get accustomed to. This is just tiring...........

Keith Millard or Martindale could be promoted and not much would be lost....then they could tweak or add their take to the roster.
 
There was a pretty strong rumor (not Willis) that Kiff had presented Greg Manusky, then with San Diego, as his choice of DC when he was interviewed so he may not be married to Ryan past this year...

Al seems to like Ryan so I doubt he clips him after giving him a new contract, but if he does, I'd keep an eye on Kiff bringing in Ken Norton Jr from SC to implement the Pete Carroll defense... Carroll's defense was part brainchild of Monte Kiffin for you Monte fans...
 
I've backed Rob Ryan since Day-1, but I'm starting to come around to the idea of Monte Kiffin coaching this 'D'. I think he'd be a breath of fresh air. We still need an upgrade at certain positions, but Kiffin Sr. might be the better option?

Monte wouldn't waste his time with this team, but I would take him in a heart beat if we had the opportunity. He only wants character guys, which is something that we are truly lacking.
 
There was a pretty strong rumor (not Willis) that Kiff had presented Greg Manusky, then with San Diego, as his choice of DC when he was interviewed so he may not be married to Ryan past this year...

Al seems to like Ryan so I doubt he clips him after giving him a new contract, but if he does, I'd keep an eye on Kiff bringing in Ken Norton Jr from SC to implement the Pete Carroll defense... Carroll's defense was part brainchild of Monte Kiffin for you Monte fans...

If Gruden could never get his guy at defensive coordinator... I really don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell Kiffin is going to have much say on the defensive side of the ball. Considering Kiffin hasn't exactly torn it up making the jump from the juniors straight to the pros... I'd be real surprised if Davis jumps back down to the junior leagues to grab a coordinator.
 
If we can't get an established guy like Kiffin Sr. or Lebeau, I'd rather just retain Rob Ryan and get him some more horses along the DL. That is still the primary issue, regardless of scheme, etc.
 
I'd be seriously disappointed if we didn't replace Ryan as well as most of our D-linemen. Simply doing one or the other won't be enough.
 
I'm not ready to give up on the defense as a whole quite yet, even as awful as they've been. We have enough catastrophic shortages on offense to deal with this season.

Ryan's going to have his back against the wall anyway next year, so why not let him stay and try the 3-4 out with our developed guys. If I remember right, Tommy Kelly led the D line in sacks when we used it. We have athletic talent at linebacker. The major disasters in this defense have very specific names: Stuart, Terdell, Warren, Tyler, etc.

I doubt we'll challenge for the play-offs even with an improved offense next year. We can always fire Ryan later.
 
I've backed Rob Ryan since Day-1, but I'm starting to come around to the idea of Monte Kiffin coaching this 'D'. I think he'd be a breath of fresh air. We still need an upgrade at certain positions, but Kiffin Sr. might be the better option?

We got bingo

Monte is rumoured to leave the Bucs after the season. I read somewhere that Michigan?? is looking to pickup the guy.

Lets think about this for a second. Heres a guy that had numerous, and I mean numerous chances to become a HC in the NFL and turned it down. The Bucs dropped the bank on the dude. He's got his SB ring and a boatload of cash in the bank. Millions.

Sr's dont spen money like younger guys do.

Heres the ace tho'

Mrs' Monte Kiffen.

You know she and Monte dont want to see their son fail, hell, who would?. She's probably the one thats gonna convince the old man to help out his son.

Look at who the guy has pumped out.. Tomlinson from the Steelers, Marinelli..etc...

Dude lost Sapp, Rice, McFarland and LB's and safeties and still finds guys in rd's 3 & 4 to step in. The Bucs defense was ranked #5 overall just a couple weeks ago

I'll bet Monte is gonna be swayed by Mrs. Kiffen to go help their son become successful.

I see it coming
 
I don't think Lil Kiffin would want to be viewed as someone who needed his daddy to come bail him out. Sounds great from a fan perspective, but it'll never happen.
I doubt we'll challenge for the play-offs even with an improved offense next year. We can always fire Ryan later.
With the way this division is struggling, we could easily steal this thing next year if we stop making stupid mistakes. We wouldn't do much in the postseason, but a division title would go a long way towards galvanizing the team and bringing credibility to not only Kiffin, but to the organization as well. That would be huge when it comes time to go after FAs.

We can fire Ryan now and be a step ahead of the game, or allow him to continue to blow chunks.

My only concern with Ryan's defense that would lead me to believe that it's not his fault is that Al is dictating from the booth what Ryan is allowed to do. If Al's dislike of blitzing is the reason we refuse to pressure QBs, then someone needs to put a pillow over the old man's face and get it over with.
 
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If Al's dislike of blitzing is the reason we refuse to pressure QBs, then someone needs to put a pillow over the old man's face and get it over with.

Hehe... Rep
 
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