Pairing it down... now who do you want?

Who do you want as HC?

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Jokerman said:
Doesn't matter, I guess, since its the same result. He's not coming to Oakland. But it may have an impact on people's perceptions of the Raiders, and this is where I might want to open up my communications a bit with the media if I were Davis to better control the fall out from the reporting of these decisions.
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I agree, but I guess we will get a state of the Raiders address post HC appointment where he will explain what happened with Simon Sarkiffen. If he doesn't want the job or wasn't prepared to wait another week then he wasn't the right person to lead this team. If it was a case that we were not offering a decent salary then I am more than a little disappointed.
 
Wow, pretty lopsided result so far... I hope the Rob Ryan people are correct about him because right now I'm sitting here worrying that:

1) Our offense is going to consist of Al calling down from his box with instructions to have Moss, Porter, Whitted and #1 pick Calvin Johnson "Go Deep" on every play...

2) Martindale won't have the same feel for calling a defensive game that Ryan had...

:eek:
 
hawaiianboy said:
Wow, pretty lopsided result so far... I hope the Rob Ryan people are correct about him because right now I'm sitting here worrying that:
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The 1st hurdle to any successful team is for the players to 1st respect and believe in their HC

The Raider players do in RR.. Thats a very important step in the right direction
 
First post, lurker for a while. A thought here on Al. I think Al is a victim of his own reputation to a degree. Everyone knows Al is quick on the trigger to fire a coach. Everyone knows Al is going to protect his favorite position coaches. Everyone knows Al is going to meddle. Any coach that doesn't know this before he sits down for an interview doesn't deserve the job anyway. So why do these guys get to the moment of truth and bail? I think Al gives them way too much time to think about it, by moving so slow, he's allowed at least 3 people that might have taken the job otherwise to be talked out it by their buddies. This whole Sark think sounds a lot like people whispering in his ear, in this case you can bet its Carroll. After (Sark, Payton, Whisenhunt, Petrino) fill in the blank, get an earful from other football people, they use the excuses of "not enough control" etc. to justify them backing out. I'm not saying this to excuse Al, if he moved quicker, let people pick their staffs, and was a little more patient on the quick draw firings, it would be a lot easier to find coaches. At the same time, there is a lot of football people out poisoning the well for Al too. Al doesn't and can't control that. If it were up to me.... I'd turn things over to Ryan. Having said that I thought Art would do a good job too, so I may not know much.....
 
Damn good quality first post there annapolisraider... I agree with most of that, though I'm still not sure Ryan being named HC is the way to go...


Limee said:
If it was a case that we were not offering a decent salary then I am more than a little disappointed.
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I fully expect Al and company to deny making an offer to "Pete Sarkisian", but I'm hearing the money on the table was 3 years/$6 million....

Even though he got a bump in pay at SC, I'm thinking the realization that Al was going to be elbow deep up his rump when it came to making personnel, draft and scheme decisions was what ended up being the deal killer... JMO though...
 
annapolisraider said:
First post, lurker for a while. A thought here on Al. I think Al is a victim of his own reputation to a degree. Everyone knows Al is quick on the trigger to fire a coach. Everyone knows Al is going to protect his favorite position coaches. Everyone knows Al is going to meddle. Any coach that doesn't know this before he sits down for an interview doesn't deserve the job anyway. So why do these guys get to the moment of truth and bail? I think Al gives them way too much time to think about it, by moving so slow, he's allowed at least 3 people that might have taken the job otherwise to be talked out it by their buddies. This whole Sark think sounds a lot like people whispering in his ear, in this case you can bet its Carroll. After (Sark, Payton, Whisenhunt, Petrino) fill in the blank, get an earful from other football people, they use the excuses of "not enough control" etc. to justify them backing out. I'm not saying this to excuse Al, if he moved quicker, let people pick their staffs, and was a little more patient on the quick draw firings, it would be a lot easier to find coaches. At the same time, there is a lot of football people out poisoning the well for Al too. Al doesn't and can't control that. If it were up to me.... I'd turn things over to Ryan. Having said that I thought Art would do a good job too, so I may not know much.....
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I think that the media and the fans are hungry for news, and its gotten outta hand. Al's last couple hires were disasterous so maybe he needs to take his time and interview all his possible candidates. Yes the clock is ticking but do we really need one immediatley. Al has every right to take his time and find the right guy. I think Ryan is our best bet b/c he has been successful here and the roster AL is sooo in love with already respects him. If we can pull away the Tuck Rulers OC McDaniels i think players would respect him also, but im not sure how that would sit with RR. I was all about giving USC's offensive coaching staff a shot, but im not ready to push the red button yet. We just gave two guys ( shell and Walsh) who had no recent connection with the NFL a shot and look how that worked out. I am suprised everyone is so heartbroken? people were already trashing the Sark hiring in the media before it happened, and now they are trashing us b/c it hasnt. we are getting jacked in the media no matter what. According to media outlets how many different HC's have been a lock to get this job since this proccess started? AL gives them nothing and they guess (*based on slightly more info then the average well informed fan can gather), and we overreact b/c we buy into the crap they say. Its a stupid cycle, we just need to be more patient.

Nobody knows what going on. Why is anyone suprised. The truth isnt ever going to come out about what really is going on. We should just all chill and wait, and stop clinging to half assed reports from dorks like Clayton who have already pinned 4 coaches on us.

PS. Are you form Annapolis MD, I live in B_more.
 
hawaiianboy said:
Damn good quality first post there annapolisraider... I agree with most of that, though I'm still not sure Ryan being named HC is the way to go...





I fully expect Al and company to deny making an offer to "Pete Sarkisian", but I'm hearing the money on the table was 3 years/$6 million....

Even though he got a bump in pay at SC, I'm thinking the realization that Al was going to be elbow deep up his rump when it came to making personnel, draft and scheme decisions was what ended up being the deal killer... JMO though...
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As a Raiders fan i can undersatnd AL wanting to keep Sark on a short leash. We cannot let a 32 year old guy come in here and make drastic moves. He doesnt even know our roster well enough to propose "rebuilding our whole offense" at this piont, does he? I think Al does have a better idea of our roster . If we brought in a coach with a good rep and legit NFL exp, maybe AL would give up more control. At Qb coach from USC cant come in here and tell the big man whats going on. Its not that easy, we should have already known this much right?
Apparently he got 2 mill. An ok offer and was allowed to bring his boy as OC. That seems pretty good for AL. Maybe Sark was bent on drafting Brady Q and not Russell. Maybe he thought that he wasnt going to get the job cause AL wanted McDaniel and didnt want to wait to be dissapointed and accepted a raise to coach USC who is a freaking powerhouse. A 32 year old rich guy running USC's offense is a good option for anyone. The Raiders HC is a daunting gamble of a task.
 
Give me Dennis Green. Through the draft and FA he'll build a competitive offense before the next season starts. The fact that he doesn't have to rebuild a defense makes him the perfect pick.
 
If it's a fiery leader we want look no further than Singletary. Of course he will turn us down also. Until Al calls it a career things are only going to get worse.:(
 
RHC said:
Give me Dennis Green. Through the draft and FA he'll build a competitive offense before the next season starts. The fact that he doesn't have to rebuild a defense makes him the perfect pick.
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It's funny cause a lot of people are down on Green, and I can see why. I think he is a perfect fit in a lot of ways for the Oakland job. He is a good O mind and not so good on D. The D thing is set pretty much here. Denny would be tight with Randy and could right the ship on O. He is not my first choice, but lord knows he is far from my last one.
 
I hear ya, Pumper.

Given a choice between Ryan and Green for HC, I may lean toward Green ..... for some of the reasons you mentioned.

I think we'd be wise to leave Ryan where he is.
Why potentially fugg with the chemistry of our defense, when that is currently the STRENGTH of the team ... ?

I'm also just not convinced that Son of Buddy will succeed as a head coach.
Hell, not tooooooo damn long ago we were all mockin' the sumbitch for having T. Brayton chase receivers downfield.
Remember that ..... ?

I dunno, and maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see the man as being the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Green put up 8 straight winning seasons (one 8-8 year included) in Minnesota.
That ain't too shabby.
Only 4-8 in post season though.
Hmmmmm .......

Sure, yeah, he flamed out for 3 straight years with the Tardinals, but Arizona is where coaches go to DIE.

McGinnis
Tobin
Ryan
Bugel
Stallings

Failures every one of 'em.

Folks would laugh at us if Green were somehow named head coach, but as I see it, he might actually do a decent yob.
 
hawaiianboy said:
I fully expect Al and company to deny making an offer to "Pete Sarkisian", but I'm hearing the money on the table was 3 years/$6 million....
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That sounds like ok money for a college assistant HC.
BigTron said:
As a Raiders fan i can undersatnd AL wanting to keep Sark on a short leash. We cannot let a 32 year old guy come in here and make drastic moves.
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I agree, there is no way he should be given much control until he has earned that right.
 
If we are left with prior NFL HC's - yesterday towards the end of the East/West Shrine game - Dan Reeves said he was ready to return to coaching - he'd like to change his 23 years experience into 25. (His West team kicked Don Shula's East team 21-3.)

I suspect Reeves would bring a lot of credibility to the organization. But if hired, I think I'd prefer he bring and lean on a young upcoming OC along with Ryan at DC. Doubt he is even on Al's radar - but perhaps he'd be a good candidate to get us back on track, and groom the next HC.

At a minimum, I did find his comment interesting.
 
annapolisraider said:
First post, lurker for a while. A thought here on Al. I think Al is a victim of his own reputation to a degree. Everyone knows Al is quick on the trigger to fire a coach. Everyone knows Al is going to protect his favorite position coaches. Everyone knows Al is going to meddle. Any coach that doesn't know this before he sits down for an interview doesn't deserve the job anyway. So why do these guys get to the moment of truth and bail? I think Al gives them way too much time to think about it, by moving so slow, he's allowed at least 3 people that might have taken the job otherwise to be talked out it by their buddies. This whole Sark think sounds a lot like people whispering in his ear, in this case you can bet its Carroll. After (Sark, Payton, Whisenhunt, Petrino) fill in the blank, get an earful from other football people, they use the excuses of "not enough control" etc. to justify them backing out. I'm not saying this to excuse Al, if he moved quicker, let people pick their staffs, and was a little more patient on the quick draw firings, it would be a lot easier to find coaches. At the same time, there is a lot of football people out poisoning the well for Al too. Al doesn't and can't control that. If it were up to me.... I'd turn things over to Ryan. Having said that I thought Art would do a good job too, so I may not know much.....
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Nice post annapolisraider. We need to hear from yo more often! :)


I happen to agree with your take on Al taking too long. If he really is set on a certain guy he needs to pull the trigger. Or, he needs to wait and talk to his preferred candidate first and if that doesn't work out go down the pecking order. Al gives these clowns too long to get input from who knows who and it's usually bad.

Jokerman said:
If we are left with prior NFL HC's - yesterday towards the end of the East/West Shrine game - Dan Reeves said he was ready to return to coaching - he'd like to change his 23 years experience into 25. (His West team kicked Don Shula's East team 21-3.)

I suspect Reeves would bring a lot of credibility to the organization. But if hired, I think I'd prefer he bring and lean on a young upcoming OC along with Ryan at DC. Doubt he is even on Al's radar - but perhaps he'd be a good candidate to get us back on track, and groom the next HC.

At a minimum, I did find his comment interesting.
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From what I know about Al Davis and Dan Reeves...I don't think that's a match made in heaven. They hate each other.
 
Green? It wouldn't blow my socks off, but you know he would leave RR & the defense alone and beyond that, he's only coach for 2-3 years anyway and RR at that point, would be more seasoned.

Who knows?

I'll stick with my RR & Trestman prediction, but this thing seems to be WIIIIDE open.
 
Psst. Should this still be on the front page? ;)
 
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