OTA’s 2026/Mini Camp

Desert Rat said:
Some of last year's rookies flashed despite the shit show and others never really had the opportunity.

It's just easier to hate on everyone and most often be proven right.

I still think that Mayer has the ability to be a solid inline TE and an asset to the offense.
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Chris_77 said:
Only so many targets to go around. I think Mayer is going to need to focus on being a high quality blocker and reliable when his number is called. He's a pretty good RZ guy though so I can see him racking up the TDs.
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He's going to have to stay healthy but I agree with Chris that there are a few guys that need to be fed before him and AJ is a pretty decent receiver coming out of the back field so he is going to get his. Hard to believe he had 55 receptions last season with that shit offense.
 
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007 said:
Bech flashed alright.

About as much as Kyu Blu Kelly.
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Attempting to be clever doesn't count for shit when you make no sense.

Kelly was a vet who didn't do anything notable before the Raiders and not once he got here.

For someone who alleges they know so much about WRs, you sure don't appreciate anyone not named Amari Cooper.
 
Birdwell said:
Attempting to be clever doesn't count for shit when you make no sense.

Kelly was a vet who didn't do anything notable before the Raiders and not once he got here.

For someone who alleges they know so much about WRs, you sure don't appreciate anyone not named Amari Cooper.
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Bech hasn’t done shit either, which of his 20 catches was your favorite?
Hope he does surprise and becomes productive.
 
DonkeyKilla said:
That seems to be the theory around here. We’ll see.
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We dont ever blame shit players for playing shitty until they are on the street signing with their fourth team and there is nothing left to defend lmfao.

Kubiak at least has a brain and a plan. I dont think BR.net will have to spitshine garbage players with the usual ferocity.
 
Bech ran 194 routes on 343 offensive snaps and was targeted 29 times. Both his routes to snap ratio (57%) and targets to routes ratio (15%) would be considered low. There's still too much missing context to draw meaningful conclusions there though.

There is some PFF type analytics and I ran what I could find through a couple of AI analysis sims and the results pretty much aligned with a very low usage version of his draft profile. Take that all with a grain of salt obviously but there really isn't much to build an argument around one way or the other, IMO. Whether you like him or hate him, it's pure gut instinct at this point.
 
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All the talk about Jeanty being used like McCaffrey, led me to look up what that might mean. What was McCaffrey’s usage in ‘23 when Kubiak coached the ‘9ers:
  • Snaps: 812 (81%)
  • Carries: 272 (33.5%)
  • Catches: 67 (8.3%)
  • Touches: 339 (41.7%)
  • Usage rate: 33.8%
What was McCaffrey usage last year (‘25):
  • Snaps: 932 (83%)
  • Carries: 311 (33.4%)
  • Catches: 102 (10.9%)
  • Touches: 413 (44.3%)
  • Usage rate: 36.8%
When did McCaffrey play the most snaps: Y3 (‘19)
  • Snaps: 1039 (93%)
  • Carries: 287 (27.6%)
  • Catches: 116 (11.2%)
  • Touches: 403 (38.8%)
  • Usage rate: 36.1%
Any other year where McCaffrey had 330+ touches: Y6 (‘22)
  • Snaps: 777 (74%)
  • Carries: 224 (28.9%)
  • Catches: 108 (13.9%)
  • Touches: 332 (42.7%)
  • Usage rate: 31.6%
Any other year where McCaffrey had 300+ touches: Y2 (‘18):
  • Snaps: 966 (91%)
  • Carries: 219 (22.7%)
  • Catches: 107 (11.1%)
  • Touches: 326 (33.7%)
  • Usage rate: 30.7%
That’s 5 years with over 300 touches. As a rookie, McCaffrey played 16 games but only started 10 and had 197 touches (18.5% usage). In his 3 other years (2 of them after 330+ touches), McCaffrey played/started only 14 games with 277 touches (31.8% usage). At SF, McCaffrey played on average fewer snaps than he did in Car as a starter but he was more likely to touch the rock.

In New Orleans (‘24), Kamara was a workhorse in his 14 starts for Kubiak as OC—getting a high percentage of touches on relatively fewer snaps:
  • Snaps: 641 (71%)
  • Carries: 228 (35.6%)
  • Catches: 68 (10.6%)
  • Touches: 296 (46.2%)
  • Usage rate: 32.8%
In Minn (‘21), Cook was a workhorse in his 13 starts for Kubiak as OC—getting a high percentage of touches on relatively fewer snaps:
  • Snaps: 608 (71%)
  • Carries: 249 (41.0%)
  • Catches: 34 (5.9%)
  • Touches: 293 (46.5%)
  • Usage rate: 33.0%
As a rookie, Jeanty was already used as a workhorse. While his snaps, if healthy, might go down under Kubiak if Kamara and Cook are better comparisons or Washington earns snaps, his usage rate likely will net out about the same as last year:
  • Snaps: 771 (78%)
  • Carries: 266 (34.5%)
  • Catches: 55 (7.1%)
  • Touches: 331 (42.9%)
  • Usage rate: 33.5%
In contrast, how did Kubiak use K. Walker as a lead RB in two-back rotation last year:
  • Snaps: 498 (49%)
  • Carries: 221 (44.4%)
  • Catches: 31 (6.2%)
  • Touches: 252 (50.6%)
  • Usage rate: 24.8%
What was Charbonet’s usage last year:
  • Snaps: 490 (48%)
  • Carries: 184 (37.6%)
  • Catches: 20 (4.1%)
  • Touches: 204 (41.6)
  • Usage rate: 20.0%
Sea’s O went through Walker and Charbonet. More likely than not Walker was touching the rock if he was on the field. There also was a good chance Charbonet would too. Together, they had a 44.8% usage rate when neither caught the ball much.

Personally, I like rotating backs. Too much risk of injury with workhorse level usage. Hopefully Washington steps up.
 
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Chris_77 said:
Bech ran 194 routes on 343 offensive snaps and was targeted 29 times. Both his routes to snap ratio (57%) and targets to routes ratio (15%) would be considered low. There's still too much missing context to draw meaningful conclusions there though.

There is some PFF type analytics and I ran what I could find through a couple of AI analysis sims and the results pretty much aligned with a very low usage version of his draft profile. Take that all with a grain of salt obviously but there really isn't much to build an argument around one way or the other, IMO. Whether you like him or hate him, it's pure gut instinct at this point.
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His college tape shows what he can be. The rest is up to him, the HC, OC and QB.
 
Madturk said:
This is a good analysis without the homerism from most of the podcasters. Harmon does a fair assessment of Bech and the rest of the receiving corp.

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So, after listening to Kubiak’s option to field 11 1/2 personnel (Bowers & Bech), wonder of often we’ll see 12 1/2 (Bowers, Mayer & Bech) or 22 1/2 (Bowers, Mayer, Bech & Hayward). Kubiak has the ability to go big with viable receivers. He also has the ability to flood the field with speed (Bowers, Tucker, Nailor & Thornton) along with plenty of permutations. Thornton seems like a classic sacrificial X.
 
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Sleet said:
So, after listening to Kubiak’s option to field 11 1/2 personnel (Bowers & Bech), wonder of often we’ll see 12 1/2 (Bowers, Mayer & Bech) or 22 1/2 (Bowers, Mayer, Bech & Hayward). Kubiak has the ability to go big with viable receivers. He also has the ability to flood the field with speed (Bowers, Tucker, Nailor & Thornton) along with plenty of permutations. Thornton seems like a classic sacrificial X.
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Until Thornton learns the nuances of route running, he will most likely be relegated to ST and occasional spot duty. That's assuming he even makes the 53 man.
 
Madturk said:
Until Thornton learns the nuances of route running, he will most likely be relegated to ST and occasional spot duty. That's assuming he even makes the 53 man.
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IDK if he makes the 53, but his chances went up when they didn’t draft Boston or any X WR. Thornton’s qualified to be a sacrificial X. Benson’s a developmental speed guy but he’s 4.5” shorter than Thornton and only has a 7.86 RAS (not 9.85).
 
Sleet said:
IDK if he makes the 53, but his chances went up when they didn’t draft Boston or any X WR. Thornton’s qualified to be a sacrificial X. Benson’s a developmental speed guy but he’s 4.5” shorter than Thornton and only has a 7.86 RAS (not 9.85).
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I don't think we are going to give up on him this year. Maybe next if he doesn't pan out.
 
Anyone going to wrestle that spot away from Burford?
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