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Raiders tight end Madsen is NFL's ultimate Cinderella tale

Tom FitzGerald, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 4, 2007


Cinderella were a football player - play along with us here - he'd probably be a guy who decides to go out for the sport in junior college on a whim after a so-so high school career. Wait. Make that, he didn't play high school football at all.
He goes to the JC on an academic scholarship, redshirts for a season and becomes a raw but productive receiver the next year. He transfers to a four-year school - as a walk-on. He eventually lands a scholarship and blossoms as a player, taking part in his school's most magical season.
But when he sets his sights on the NFL, his carriage turns back into a pumpkin. A broken ankle late in his senior season keeps him from being drafted, so he has to scrape and claw his way to a special-teams job with one of the league's doormat teams. He works his way into a semi-regular spot at a new position - tight end - catches a touchdown pass and later awards the ball to his proud dad.
That was last fall, but the fairy tale has just begun. John Madsen is one of the co-starting tight ends on the Raiders' depth chart - the other is second-round draft pick Zach Miller. Gone are last year's top tight ends, Randal Williams, Courtney Anderson and James Adkisson.
Madsen is the ultimate stealth pro. If he had flown any lower under the radar, he would have been brushing the treetops.
He stands 6-foot-5 but needs a lot of weightlifting, along with six meals and three or four protein shakes a day, to stay in the 240-245-pound range that the Raiders want in order for him to be a reasonably effective blocker. "I'm telling you, I'm sick of eating sometimes," he said.
Recently he was down to 231, a cause for alarm to the team's higher-ups. "They told me I'd better not be that light again, so I ate as much as I could," he said. "Finally got it back up (to 240), but it's always an uphill battle when you're not used to weighing that much."
The Raiders have had success before with converting a terrific athlete into a tight end. Todd Christensen was a fullback at BYU and in a brief stint with the Cowboys, but the Raiders gave him a new position and he made the Pro Bowls five times in the 1980s.
"I had a few conversations with Mr. Davis last year, and he told me a lot about Todd Christensen and said I reminded him of how he used to play," Madsen said.
Miller, a fine blocker, is considered the favorite to start, but Madsen is going to play a lot, too. If one or both of them show any of Christensen's ability to get open, the Raiders will be delighted.
Madsen's blocking is improving, tight ends coach Kelly Skipper said. "He can play every down - short-yardage, goal-line, all that stuff," he said.
There's no question about his receiving skills. "He's been getting open, running good routes and making plays. His success is because of his work ethic and his will to play. He has tremendous will. I've got to slow him down sometimes because he works so hard."
One of Madsen's biggest supporters is 49ers quarterback Alex Smith. He loved having Madsen as a receiver in Utah's 12-0 season in 2004, when the Utes beat Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl, their first appearance in a Bowl Championship Series bowl.
"I remember when we first met," Smith said. "It was the summer after my freshman year. He was walking on. He was 6-5. I heard he only played one year of JC football. You could tell he was a guy who had never run routes.
"In a couple months, you could see how good he was going to be. He had such strong hands for a guy who had never played organized football (until JC)."
Their coach was Urban Meyer, who last season directed Florida to the national championship. Meyer also remembers his first impression of Madsen.
"He walked into our office one day - big ol' guy," he said, then added with a laugh, "His mom's a hair dresser, and in the beginning, I think he was more concerned with how his hair looked.
"He tried to quit a few times, but once he learned what the game was about, he became a star really fast. He's a guy that everybody would love to have because he creates matchup issues."
That is, he's too quick for linebackers and too tall for defensive backs.
"He's got a lot of God-given talent," Meyer said. "With his work ethic, I knew he'd do well in the NFL."
After a redshirt year at two-year Snow College in Ephraim, Utah, Madsen helped the team go 8-2 and reach a No. 16 national ranking. A University of Utah fan since childhood, he headed to Salt Lake City, and from then on, his goal was the NFL. By the time he left college, he had a 391/2-inch vertical jump and ran the 40 in 4.5 seconds.
"You can play in the NFL a lot of years," Meyer told him. "You just need to get the right shot."
The Raiders gave him that shot, and he rewarded them in San Diego last year by catching a pass from Aaron Brooks for 57 yards and, on the next play, a 2-yard pass for his first NFL TD.
The glass slipper fit, and he's still wearing it.
 
These are tightknit tight ends
John Madsen and Zach Miller learn from each other, benefiting the Raiders.
By Jason Jones - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:08 am PDT Tuesday, September 4, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1

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ALAMEDA -- This easily could have been a situation wrought with animosity.

John Madsen played wide receiver at Utah and was long shot to make the Raiders' roster last season after being moved to tight end.

Madsen made the team, but he knew he'd have a big fight for playing time in 2007. That's because the Raiders drafted Zach Miller in the second round out of Arizona State.

Miller is expected to start Sunday's season opener against the Detroit Lions.

It turns out the feel-good story from last year and a rookie with big expectations work well together.

The union has given the Raiders two types of tight ends who learn from each other.

"It's always important to have different styles, but you want to keep reaching toward the goal of being a complete tight end," tight ends coach Kelly Skipper said.

Madsen's receiver background makes him a good route runner, and he has some of the best hands on the Raiders. Playing around the line of scrimmage is a challenge for Madsen, who only began playing football in 2002.

Miller is a solid blocker, partly because of his size (6-foot-5 and 255 pounds), and he has always been a tight end. He's also adept at making the tough catch.

The speed of the pro game forces Miller to work on his technique.

Madsen is still growing into the grunt work of the position: blocking. He carried about 225 pounds on his 6-5 frame last season and bulked up to about 240 pounds this season by lifting weights and eating everything in sight. But he knows why he made the Raiders last year and what will keep him around.

"You definitely want to try to make your weaknesses your strengths," Madsen said. "I'm still trying to be a more complete tight end, but at the same time they realize what I do best, which is catch the ball, and I'm straight on that."

Madsen has no problem asking Miller or Tony Stewart, the Raiders' third tight end, for help on the finer points of blocking. He credits their input with his development.

Miller also queries Madsen on running routes, where a false step can be the difference between a completion and an interception.

"When getting open, a lot of time it's how well you run your routes," Miller said. "You can get better leverage to break away from (the defender), and then it's just catching the ball and doing something with it."

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin likes having diversity at tight end. Madsen can line up as a receiver, while Miller sometimes lines up at fullback.

"I think that all our guys have different traits that they're better at than others," Kiffin said. "I think, especially Zach Miller is a very good blocker. ... And the other two have shown good things in our system."

Eventually they hope to become complete tight ends.
 
Sorry the Thread should have been TE's not Ti.......IDIOT!!
 
Raiders counting on big performance from rookie TE Miller

By JOSH DUBOW, AP Sports Writer
September 2, 2007

ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) -- When the Oakland Raiders open the season next week against Detroit, only one of their first three draft picks will even be in uniform.

With top pick JaMarcus Russell still holding out and third-rounder Quentin Moses getting cut, tight end Zach Miller is the only one of the top three on the roster.

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Miller, a second-round pick, is in line to start the season opener Sunday against Detroit after showing good progress during training camps and the preseason.

"I'm definitely a ton more comfortable than when I arrived," he said. "I'm comfortable with the guys on the team, with the offense. I'm not swimming anymore like I was. I'm pretty good on all the plays and the game plans and stuff. As far as information overload, I feel good. When I first arrived, I was struggling to learn the plays. I wasn't sure what I was doing. I'm much better now."

The tight ends are expected to play a bigger role in coach Lane Kiffin's offense than they did in the past for the Raiders. Oakland hasn't had a tight end catch more than 50 passes in a season since Ethan Horton had 53 in 1991.

But with Kiffin emphasizing quicker passes, the tight ends and running backs should be a bigger part of the offense this season.

"It's part of the offense that Coach Kiffin likes," Miller said. "I'm glad for that. It gives us some good opportunities to get involved in the passing game. It's good to be used like that on offense. I really like what we're doing on offense so far."

Randal Williams' 28 catches last season led the team's tight ends, but he was released over the summer along with the second-leading receiver at the position, Courtney Anderson. The leading returning tight end is second-year player John Madsen, an undrafted free agent who played receiver in college before making the switch in the pros.

Madsen had 11 catches as a rookie when he did well in the passing game but struggled as a blocker. Kiffin has been pleased with his progress during training camp and Madsen should get plenty of opportunities during the season -- especially in obvious passing situations.

"I'm way more comfortable this year," he said. "The learning curve was a lot steeper last year having never played the position for a guy like me. It seems to be coming together a lot better for me. I understand the position a lot better. I never played a down at tight end until I got here. Obviously, the route running and stuff has been there for me. I'm just trying to do everything well."

The third tight end is Tony Stewart, a seventh-year player who has served as a tutor to the young tight ends and is the best blocker of the three. But Kiffin has been impressed with Miller's all-around play.

"I think he is a very good blocker," Kiffin said. "We're excited about what he's done in preseason and what he can do in the regular season for us."

Kiffin spoke for the first time since making roster cuts Saturday. The biggest surprise on that lost was Moses, who was the first pick of the third round and impressed the coaches early in training camp.

Moses, who was beaten out by fifth-rounder Jay Richardson and veteran Chris Clemmons, was immediately picked up by Arizona.

"There were some hard ones where it wasn't that a guy wasn't doing everything that we asked," Kiffin said. "We wish great luck to Quentin and I think he'll be a good player in this league. But at the end of looking at all of it we had other people that could help us more."
 
I still have to wonder if we'd be better off letting Madsen move to WR and play at a weight he's comfortable with. I mean, it's not as if we're loaded at WR. He'd easily be our #3 this year.

But, as we stand, this is definitely a position of strength...finally. Feels good to actually have some legit players at the position.
 
Madsen wouldnt be our #3.

Williams, Higgins and probably Taylor would be ahead of the guy.

I like Madsen where he is...At backup tight end.
 
Awsome article on Madsen jatfly, thatnks... I never knew who the guy was or where the hell he was from.

Man, I read the other day that our last TE to catch 50 passes was Ethan friggin Horten in 1991 :eek:

WTF?

I hope both these guys get 50 this season :D
 
Awsome article on Madsen jatfly, thatnks... I never knew who the guy was or where the hell he was from.

Man, I read the other day that our last TE to catch 50 passes was Ethan friggin Horten in 1991 :eek:

WTF?

I hope both these guys get 50 this season :D
the TE hasnt been a big option for awhile. some of that is the vertical game, some of it isTim Brown being a tough cover his whole career. Another part is just bad drafting. Very bad drafting at TE.
 
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