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As tempted as I was to start a Kiffin Sucks Thread... I thought I'd be a l'il more subtle... I just get the feeling we're watching an overmatched offensive coordinator flush another lost season down the shitter... Where's Al???? :mad:


Web Exclusive: Raiders Post GameKiffin likely to stay with McCown
http://www.contracostatimes.com/por...rint_article.jsp?articleId=6846015&siteId=571
Column by Jerry McDonald

OAKLAND — Are you still in?

``I'm in,'' is the team slogan instituted by coach Lane Kiffin. It's on a banner draped from a canopy which the Raiders run past every day on their way to practice.

Josh McCown is still in, even if a good portion of the pseudo-sellout crowd Sunday at McAfee Coliseum wishes otherwise.

He was Kiffin's not-so-secret selection to start, and it sounds as if McCown will be under center when the Raiders visit the Broncos in Denver in Week 2.

Kiffin said he didn't see anything compelling enough in a 36-21 loss to the Detroit Lions to consider switching to Daunte Culpepper, even as the Raiders went into the half trailing 10-0 and the home crowd was getting restless seeing Culpepper standing on the sideline in his baseball cap.

``I didn't, even though it sounded like everybody in the crowd wanted him with the chants of, `Daunte,' '' Kiffin said. ``Josh is our starter right now and we're very pleased with a number of things he did today, and we're going to stay with him for now.''
As Kiffin noted dryly, ``Fans have a right to their opinion. After the third touchdown in a row they weren't chanting for Daunte any more.''

True enough. McCown led the Raiders on three straight touchdown drives, something they never accomplished last season, for a 21-20 lead with 7:43 remaining. The crowd was into it, and McCown was temporarily forgiven.

That was before a second interception and a sack-fumble helped put the game away for the Lions.

A couple of weeks after Culpepper arrived, Kiffin explained to reporters he didn't want the player who in Minnesota took unnecessary risks and put up big numbers which included killer turnovers. He was looking for a game manager, someone more efficient than bold.

In the loss to the Lions, McCown finished with numbers that mirrored some of Culpepper's best days in Minnesota. He completed 30 of 40 passes for 313 yards. He had two touchdown passes, but also had two interceptions and three fumbles -- losing one.

Kiffin and the Raiders chose to isolate the three possessions in which McCown completed 10 of 12 passes for 123 and two touchdowns as an example of what is possible in the future.
Those 16 minutes didn't include the Travis Fisher interception in which McCown, while slipping on the infield dirt, tried to force one in to Ronald Curry. The deflection and pickoff led to a 16-yard touchdown pass from Jon Kitna to Calvin Johnson.
Nor did it take into account a second-and-6 swing pass intended for Mike Williams that wound up in the hands of defensive end DeWayne White with the Raiders trailing 26-21 with 3:01 to play.

A short time later, Jason Hanson converted a 23-yard field goal for a 29-21 lead, which preceeded another McCown fumble when hit by White, leading to a 14-yard scoring run by Tatum Bell and put an exclamation point in a game that was already over.

Kiffin seemed to give McCown a pass on both interceptions, the first because it was a deflection and saying the second one was tipped.

McCown acknowledged he shouldn't have thrown the first pass without good footing. As for the second, McCown said he was hit while throwing, causing the ball to flutter instead of reaching Williams at his back shoulder.

Like Kiffin, McCown shrugged off the boos as part of a fan's bill of rights and welcomed the continued competition from Culpepper and, eventually, JaMarcus Russell.

Afterward, Kiffin for the first time explained his thinking in choosing McCown as the starter.

``The best way I can explain it is he just didn't have enough time to catch (Josh) with all the time that goes into it,'' Kiffin said. ``It wasn't anything Daunte didn't do, but in the end, Josh had managed us better as far as knowing the calls -- especially when we got to this week and the game plan being more complicated.''

Culpepper kept a low profile during Kiffin's attempt to flummox the Lions with his choice, and was gone from the locker room Sunday before McCown was done at the podium in the interview room.

He likely isn't going to say much anyway. Culpepper has said all the right things from the start, has gone out of his way to be a team player and bond with McCown and Andrew Walter, and he has been around long enough to know how it works.
As disappointed as Culpepper is that he is not the Raiders starter, by virtue of his status as the backup, he instantly becomes the fan favorite and is being paid $3.2 million to wait his turn.

McCown was far from the only culprit in losing to a team which had six road wins in the previous six years.

Lions' offensive coordinator Mike Martz devised a scheme which had receivers breaking into the clear all day against Oakland's supposedly leak-proof pass defense. Sebastian Janikowski failed on three admittedly long field goal attempts.

``I don't make those decisions. That's for coach Kiffin to answer,'' wide receiver Ronald Curry said regarding the choice of a quarterback. Whoever we put in there, I'm going to ride with. I thought Josh did a good job.''

Kiffin said he will make a quarterback switch is warranted, but sounded as if that time isn't here.

McCown, who said a game-ending index finger injury is no big deal, is still in.

Raider Nation is not so sure.

NFL writer Jerry McDonald can be reached by e-mail at jmcdonald@bayareanewsgroup.com
 
Ostler: Hard to look at loss to Lions as a positive for Raiders

Scott Ostler, Chronicle Staff Writer
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/09/09/SPVPS1TRM.DTL&type=printable

Sunday, September 9, 2007

Raiders' boss Al Davis wasn't available to the media after Sunday's 36-21 loss to the Detroit Lions, so we couldn't ask him if he has decided who his starting head coach will be next Sunday.

But Davis is a reasonable man (did I just write that?), he's not going to throw his brand-new coach under the bus after one game, at least not literally, even if that one game is a soul-crushing, come-from-behind-then-lose-from-ahead loss to last season's second-worst NFL team.

The good news for Raiders fans is that the players swear this season's 0-1 team is vastly superior to last season's 0-1 team, even though losing by 15 to the Lions in Oakland is like clanging a slam-dunk.

"It's definitely different from last year," said free safety Stuart Schweigert. "We know our offense can put up points."

Unfortunately, just when the offense kicked in, the defense checked out.

But hey, nobody said this was a Super Bowl team. Although guard Robert Gallery mentioned, by way of minimizing the pain of losing one game, "We can still go to the Super Bowl."

Sure, and to the Kentucky Derby.

But as Schweigert said, "There's definitely more confidence in the coaching staff, it's night-and-day from last season."
Which is good, because in last season's opener the Raiders unveiled the bed-and-breakfast offense, featuring the patented seven-step drop-'n'-flop.

This time: Only three sacks! Raiders' fans - and Raiders - had to be shocked and delighted to see their quarterback become a moving target, dancing, unloading the ball.

That sack thing was a spirit-killer last year.

Does that mean Josh McCown will be back at starting QB next week for your Raiders?

Not necessarily. And don't even ask.

Kiffin and his players seemed to enjoy their little game during the week, Kiffin refusing to reveal his starting quarterback until game time.

There was speculation that Kiffin would call McCown and Daunte Culpepper to his office before the game and present one of them with a red rose.

It was a strange bit of theater, the mystery quarterback game, and it would have been a lot cooler had the Raiders won. But you have to give Kiffin this: The Lions were so befuddled from not knowing who would quarterback the Raiders that they allowed McCown to complete his first seven pass attempts.
Kiffin gets decent marks for having his team ready to compete against a bad team, but chances are that wasn't enough to give Al Davis a jolly Sunday.

For starters, somewhere far, far away, Randy Moss lit it up for the Patriots. Davis wanted to keep Moss, believed he would revive his spirits and show his superstar ability under Kiffin, but Kiffin persuaded Davis to unload (as in: give away) the guy who undermined the previous Raiders' coach at every turn.

Also, Kiffin got his way on draft day when the Raiders selecting JaMarcus Russell, while the Lions, drafting second, took wideout Calvin Johnson, who was the apple of Davis' eye and who caught four balls for 70 yards and a touchdown in his NFL debut.

Don't think Mr. Davis isn't noticing these little details.

Also, Davis surely observed that the Raiders tried only one deep pass Sunday, and it went for a 42-yard gain that set up a touchdown.

Yet Davis has a lot invested in Kiffin and would love to show the world that the gutsy choice for head coach smacks of Al-like genius. We'll see.

One thing Kiffin still has, despite the 0-1 start, is his team. If any Raider has lost faith in the new coach or his staff or his system, they didn't express that feeling after the game.

"We got a good system," said Gallery, "everybody's excited to do what we've been doing."

Running back LaMont Jordan said, "We're a different ballclub (from last season)," and added, "You definitely see an offensive line that's a lot better. Those guys are definitely opening up more holes on a lot more consistent basis."

That was the theme.

"On offense there was a lot of improvement (over last season)," said cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, "I thought Josh played great, and the play-calling and everything is definitely a plus."

But it's like whack-a-mole. When the Raiders get an offense going, their defense, the backbone of last year's team, lets 'em down, lets quarterback Jon Kitna run around and take only two short sacks in 36 pass attempts.

There were bright Raider moments Sunday, but there's no way the good will outweigh the bad when you lose to the Lions in the opener.

After last season the Raiders had no place to go but up, yet Sunday they didn't go there.

E-mail Scott Ostler at sostler@sfchronicle.com.
 
Raiders-Lions wrap-up

Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on Sunday at 9:53 pm

News, notes and observations from the the Lions' 36-21 win over the Raiders Sunday at McAfee Coliseum:

– Laying the entire blame at the feet of Josh McCown only removes the scrutiny from other deserving parties.

The Raiders scored three touchdowns, during which time McCown was 10-for-12 for 123 yards and two touchdowns. Other than Andrew Walter's game against Arizona last season, nothing the Raiders put on the field last season approached it.
The Raiders pass defense was supposed to be their strength, and Jon Kitna and Mike Martz took it apart.

– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha was asked about Detroit's receivers and couldn't put them in at the very top of the league because of the simple fact that they were wide open all day and therefore should have looked great Sunday.

– Even Oakland's biggest defensive play, a 31-yard interception return by Stanford Routt which set up a touchdown, was a gift, courtesy of Roy Williams, who let the ball glance off his hands and directly to Routt.

– The game's biggest defensive mistake, save for whoever allowed Shaun McDonald to get so wide open on the blown coverage which resulted in a 42-yard touchdown pass from Kitna, was from safety Hiram Eugene.

Eugene was in position to tackle McDonald short of the first down on third-and-9 at the Oakland 45, but missed the tackle. McDonald gained 13 yards and the first down, and then caught the next pass for the 32-yard score.

– Detroit didn't run much, but gained 5.1 yards per carry when it did (21 carries, 87 yards). Tatum Bell, who was incensed at reports that Rob Ryan instituted a "Tatum Bell fumble drill" during Oakland's week of practice, put the final nail in Oakland's coffin with a 14-yard run.

– LaMont Jordan, who caught 10 passes in nine games last season before being injured, caught 9 passes for 89 yards in addition to rushing for 70 yards on 15 carries.

– Jeremy Newberry sustained a hamstring injury when he tried to snap from a shotgun formation on Oakland's first formation, a fumble which derailed what could have been a promising opening drive.

Newberry's injury made it difficult to deal with Rogers inside, with Rogers pushing Jake Grove aside on more than one occasion.

– McCown's comfort level with Ronald Curry (11 receptions, 130 yards, 1 touchdown) dispelled any notion Jerry Porter would be the go-to receiver this year. Porter caught 2 passes for 26 yards and wasn't featured nearly to the extent Curry was.

– Chris Clemons, for one week anyway, validated Oakland's decision to keep him over third-round pick Quentin Moses with a sack and a quarterback pressure. Clemons was more of a pass rush factor than Derrick Burgess or Warren Sapp.

– None of Sebastian Janikowski's field goal attempts were easy ones, but Jason Hanson hit his 46-yard field goal from nearly the exact spot Janikowski missed his from the same distance.
As for the "bombs away" long field goals Janikowski was supposed to be known for when he was drafted, one was blocked from 50 yards and the other missed badly from 57.

– Nothing really stood out on special teams other than a Shane Lechler punt which pinned the Lions back at their own 1 (they immediately got out of it with a 32-yard pass play from Kitna to Sean McHugh).

– Bottom line is the Raiders got outplayed in every phase by a Detroit team which was 6-42 over the past six years on the road.

– Kiffin gave pretty harsh critiques in the preseason, even in games the Raiders played well. Following his first regular-season game, Kiffin was soft in his criticisms even in areas when they seemed deserved.

He almost brushed off the turnovers he abhors and intimated the Raiders were only a couple of "breaks" from winning the game.

The Lions made the breaks in this game, while the the Raiders stood back and watched.

The guess here is behind closed doors, Kiffin won't be so kind. It makes no sense to berate players who are already stinging from a loss in the immediate aftermath.

The last thing he wants is to make a Callahan-esque "dumbest team in America" blast in his debut and lose the locker room with 15 games to go.

– There were good feelings all around when Oakland gathered the troops together after taking the lead _ "feeling the moment," as Kiffin said _ then they proceeded to be outscored 16-0 in the final 7:43.

This wasn't as demoralizing as last year's 27-0 season-opening tone-setter against San Diego simply because the devastation wasn't as complete. You could envision the Raiders actually beating the Lions.

That they didn't, however, makes it all the more frustrating.
– You wonder if the family of JaMarcus Russell, watching the Raiders get worked by the Lions, advised him to put down his pen.

– For those scoring at home (and even if you're not), Russell remains unsigned, Calvin Johnson caught 4 passes for 70 yards (and a touchdown), Randy Moss caught 9 passes for 183 yards and a touchdown, John Bowie was inactive, and rookie running back Adrian Peterson gained 103 yards on 19 carries and caught a 60-yard touchdown pass.

Johnson and Peterson were options for the Raiders at No. 1 (Peterson probably could have been had for a modest trade-down), and Bowie was the player the Raiders drafted with the pick they got for Moss.

– Let's be clear about Moss. He wasn't going to catch 9 passes for 183 yards in Oakland because he had no desire to do so.
In a way, his production in New England is further evidence the Raiders did the right thing in letting him go, rather than the other way around. Anyone who can turn it on like that and flat out did the opposite for so many games because he was pouting is not a person to build a team around.
 
I still am on board with Kiffin and JaMarcus. They are both going to lead us to big things. 1 game isnt going to change how i feel about the way things are going. We made good roster moves and have been doing all the right things to turn a 2-14 horrible train wreck into a respectable team. I didnt expect that to happen over night, especially with a rookie HC. Some people will cry about Culpepper not geting the start but he will get his day in court so hold onto your panties. I seriously doubt this guy can remain healthy and get back to his pre-injury form. Ill be rooting for him, but i dont expect anything great. JaMarcus Russell is a beast who has skills and stats to back them up.People are soured by the hold-out, no shit. Im not thrilled with it but it doesnt change the fact we selected the right player. I watched AP's whole college career but him being a RB and injury prone does not warrant a #1 overall. Calvin Johnson is a WR and i would also rather pay a franchice QB bank than a Wr who will be getting thrown to by any of the QB's on our current roster. Calvin would look like Randy Moss looked in S&B.

If we selected CJ or AP we would still be searching YET AGAIN for QB to lead this team. Rich Gannon's dont pop out of the air everyday.
 
As tempted as I was to start a Kiffin Sucks Thread... I thought I'd be a l'il more subtle... I just get the feeling we're watching an overmatched offensive coordinator flush another lost season down the shitter... Where's Al???? :mad:

So Al sucks when he doesn't give the coach control ... and he sucks when he does give the coach control?
 
Alot of people wanted Rob Ryan to be the guy. I was all for it myself. If that were the case we would have lost by alot more. Ryan didnt have the defense ready for 4 Wr's? He didnt pressure Shitna. Im more pissed about these things than scoring 1/4 as many TD's in 1 half as we did last year.
 
No shit, you want to run 4 wide all day? Fine, send Thomas Howard on a LB'er blitz and pop the fucking QB a couple of times. Waaaay too passive on defense. Zones only work if you pressure the QB at least somewhat.

That TD to McDonald late in the game was painful to watch. See how much fucking time Kitna had? Sheesh.
 
I don't actually know what was the greatest problem outside of the lack of pass rush, but I know that was the biggest problem. Coverage-wise, it is apparent they weren't doing the job, but it looked worse because of the pass pro Kitna had.

Someone made a great point about rhythm, we never got Kitna out of his game.

As far as McCown, he had good and bad moments. I had no real problem with his decision-making, not that it was perfect, but he missed some throws he should have made.

But he was also playing a bad defense, and I find it hard to believe that CPepp wouldn't be better. Rep to Socal for his Daunte jihad.


I also think the Raiders will give McCown a shot, but that Pepp will be the guy sooner rather than later.
 
I support Kiffin on the McCown decision.
Not that I can't understand the critijizzum, because I can.
But my bottom line is that I support his call.
He knows the team and the playahs a whole hell of a lot better than we do.

He's looking long term, and he's thinking big picture.
Culpepper might look ... (to us beer slob fans) .... like he's fully up to speed, but I trust Kiffin when he says that he's not really up to speed with the offense.
And he knows that Culpepper's background is one in which he was pretty fond of dropping back, looking around, and then just slinging the shit out of it deep.
This is NOT the kind of 'habit' he wants our field general to get into.
He wants a QB who grasps (and tends to) the overall offensive picture.

Hey, Culpepper is gonna see the field soon.
We all know it.

Kiffin is setting a tone .... for the long run.
Let's give the 'kid' a chance to mold this team his way, folks.

It's only fair.
 
I don't actually know what was the greatest problem outside of the lack of pass rush, but I know that was the biggest problem. Coverage-wise, it is apparent they weren't doing the job, but it looked worse because of the pass pro Kitna had.

Someone made a great point about rhythm, we never got Kitna out of his game.

And that's exactly it. By the time it was 10-0 it was pretty clear that our front 4 wasn't generating anything close to a consistent pass rush. But there seemed to be a stubborn insistence that we would, eventually, maybe, at some point, get a pass rush with just 4. With Martz spreading our secondary out with 4 WRs you have about 4 seconds to get the QB. I don't think we could have got there in 8 seconds with just 4 guys yesterday. But again, no MLB blitzes to get in Kitna's face, no overload blitzes to cave on side of the field... nothing.

It's almost as if Ryan thought all our guys would have to do was take off their shirts and flex a little and that would be enough to get an edge. This was the worst game plan he's instituted in a year and a half.
 
By the by ... with McCown hurting his right thumb on the last play of the game, the Raiders might have been handed a tailor-made excuse to bench him.
 
By the by ... with McCown hurting his right thumb on the last play of the game, the Raiders might have been handed a tailor-made excuse to bench him.
Rumors are already circulating that McClown (© Abelardo) broke a finger and that Culppeper will be the starter in Denver.
 
And that's exactly it. By the time it was 10-0 it was pretty clear that our front 4 wasn't generating anything close to a consistent pass rush. But there seemed to be a stubborn insistence that we would, eventually, maybe, at some point, get a pass rush with just 4. With Martz spreading our secondary out with 4 WRs you have about 4 seconds to get the QB. I don't think we could have got there in 8 seconds with just 4 guys yesterday. But again, no MLB blitzes to get in Kitna's face, no overload blitzes to cave on side of the field... nothing.

It's almost as if Ryan thought all our guys would have to do was take off their shirts and flex a little and that would be enough to get an edge. This was the worst game plan he's instituted in a year and a half.

I thought that the turning point of the game is when we let Kitna off the hook when we had him pinned back on the 1, especially after we forced them three and oput on their first possession. 3 plays later and they were already in fg range. Even though Morrison made the int, it wasn't a good omen. I just didn't understand the game planning by Ryan. The Lion's receivers usually had no one within 5 yards when they caught the ball. Screw this soft zone crap, eerily reminiscent of Chuck Bresnahan's defense from a few year's back.:mad: I'd rather die by the blitz then let a QB pick us apart.
 
I thought that the turning point of the game is when we let Kitna off the hook when we had him pinned back on the 1, especially after we forced them three and oput on their first possession. 3 plays later and they were already in fg range. Even though Morrison made the int, it wasn't a good omen. I just didn't understand the game planning by Ryan. The Lion's receivers usually had no one within 5 yards when they caught the ball. Screw this soft zone crap, eerily reminiscent of Chuck Bresnahan's defense from a few year's back.:mad: I'd rather die by the blitz then let a QB pick us apart.

I agree that it was a big play, but the turning point for me came when Hirman Eugene missed the tackle on Shaun McDonald on 3rd & 9... he got 14 and a 1st down.

Next play... no pressure on Kitna, he rolls to his right, and hit McDonald for a 32 yd. touchdown.

Ballgame.
 
If I'm going to dog on any coaches it's going to be Ryan. I actually liked alot of the calls Kiffin had on offense and am not as fond of Culpepper as alot of you. Our defense really let us down and if they don't step up we wont be winning any games this year.
 
No shit, you want to run 4 wide all day? Fine, send Thomas Howard on a LB'er blitz and pop the fucking QB a couple of times. Waaaay too passive on defense. Zones only work if you pressure the QB at least somewhat.

That TD to McDonald late in the game was painful to watch. See how much fucking time Kitna had? Sheesh.

Yeah on that play if you notice Terdell Sands dropped back into coverage :nono: and we only rushed 3 people. That gave Kitna all day to pass. That wasnt the secondary's fault IMO. I could have found an open reciever witht hat much time. I also heard Hirame Eugene was the one toasted on that play? I thought it was Huff can anyone clear that up?

Either way why are we rushing three people and giving up a huge TD pass? That makes no sense to me. Ryan WTF?
 
Kiffin's offense was really good IMO. Unlike the Mayor and the Hall of Fame LT (:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) who was coaching, Kiff's play calling made a lot of sense and it worked well when the players did their job. In the last regime even when the players did their job shit didn't work.

Kiffin? I'm in.
 
Kiffin's offense was really good IMO. Unlike the Mayor and the Hall of Fame LT (:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) who was coaching, Kiff's play calling made a lot of sense and it worked well when the players did their job. In the last regime even when the players did their job shit didn't work.

Kiffin? I'm in.

I don't think Kiff will look at the media with that blank stare as if he was wondering if anyone smelt the fart he let out and reply with "I wrote on my clipboard, that we should throw to the backs more."


I think Kiff called a good game....and he made 2nd half adjustments. I think McCown missed a few deep balls that were there.
 
I don't think Kiff will look at the media with that blank stare as if he was wondering if anyone smelt the fart he let out and reply with "I wrote on my clipboard, that we should throw to the backs more."
Word.


I think McCown missed a few deep balls that were there.
Let me look at my notes. :p
 
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