Nice Take on the WR group.

Neither Gabriel or Big Hype are route runners, Taylor is.

Just sayin'
 
Newcomer Taylor could be a starter

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said former Vikings receiver Travis Taylor was signed to increase competition. Kiffin was asked if the move sent a message to the idle Mike Williams.

"I don't know, you have to ask Mike that," Kiffin said. "I would hope so."

Williams and quarterback Josh McCown were acquired in a trade with the Lions last month. A highly touted playmaker from USC, Williams did little in Detroit. So far with the Raiders, Williams has scarcely played because of a leg pull.

Taylor, who signed as an unrestricted free agent Tuesday, is a legitimate player who could win the starting flanker job.

"Here's a guy who had over 30 catches for six or seven years in a row," Kiffin said.

Even though Taylor has 311 receptions for 4,013 yards and 22 touchdowns, he hasn't quite lived up to being chosen 10th overall by the Ravens in the 2000 draft. He also had the misfortune of falling in Randy Moss' wake. He was acquired by the Vikings after Moss left for Oakland. Now with Moss in New England, Taylor comes to Oakland.

"No, don't give me that responsibility. It takes a lot to replace that guy," Taylor said. Should Taylor replicate last year's production (57 catches, 651 yards and three touchdowns) he'll have more than replaced Moss, who had 42 catches for 553 yards and three scores in 2006.

As Gallery turns: On May 16, Robert Gallery played left and right tackle. This week, he lined up at an entirely new position: right guard.

"It could be permanent," Kiffin said. "We're looking at a lot of different options. As you look through it, you see (guard Paul) McQuistan at right tackle, (right tackle Barry) Sims over at left tackle, there's a bunch of different scenarios to go through. We're trying to find the best guys and making sure that guys are at the right positions, because you don't know if you don't try."

Switching Gallery, a No. 1 pick in 2004, to the interior could relieve him of one-on-one pass-protection responsibilities, but it's also another change for someone who has endured a switch from right tackle to left and has been coached by three staffs.

"Things are definitely different. It's a different system. As you guys can see, it's more aggressive," Gallery said. "We get a lot of work done, fly around. (Offensive line coach Tom Cable) wants us to be fast and get on people fast and get them running."

As far as moving from tackle to guard, Gallery said, "It's no big deal."

Briefly: Trim-looking Cal coach Jeff Tedford strolled the sidelines during practice. Kiffin and Tedford coached together at Fresno State. ... Rookie quarterback JaMarcus Russell sat out most of practice with problems with his wisdom teeth, which could come out today or Friday. ... Center Jeremy Newberry missed practice to be with his ailing grandmother. ... Rookie wide receiver Johnnie Lee Higgins made a dandy diving catch of a Josh McCown throw during team drills. ... Kiffin said he had three conversations with former USC wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, who announced he was retiring Wednesday, after he was released by the Panthers but nothing came of it.

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"Here's a guy who had over 30 catches for six or seven years in a row," Kiffin said.


We're setting the bar a little low if averaging under 2 catches a game is enough to even merit a mention....


Maybe Kiff doesn't think as highly of the Curry's, Gabriel's, Morant's and BMW's as some of us do?... We've got alot of guys that seem to project to slot receivers (Curry, BMW, Taylor), hopefully Gabriel or Morant can perform well enough tp provide a speed compliment to Porter on the perimeter...


Maybe we should be sniffing around Antonio Bryant to give us the combination of explosiveness and deep speed we seem to be currently missing?...
 
I think this gets overblown, personally.

Who wouldnt want a guy who averages 40-500-3 for his career and is signing for 435 grand?

The guy is a good route runner, a solid player and is not a cancer in the locker room, by all acounts.

Even if he plays the #4-5 spot behind Porter, Curry, BMW and Higgins, he's still great value at that price, IMO.

I doubt he starts, but he'll play for sure. The dude has the best stats on the team...Which is sad, really.
 
I think this gets overblown, personally.

Who wouldnt want a guy who averages 40-500-3 for his career and is signing for 435 grand?

The guy is a good route runner, a solid player and is not a cancer in the locker room, by all acounts.

Even if he plays the #4-5 spot behind Porter, Curry, BMW and Higgins, he's still great value at that price, IMO.

I doubt he starts, but he'll play for sure. The dude has the best stats on the team...Which is sad, really.

Rack Him !!!

Couldn't agree more. If guys like Francis, Morant, Whitted, Gabriel, whoever, can't beat Travis Taylor out for a job then so be it. I think this is a pretty solid signing on many levels. (shrug)
 
We're setting the bar a little low if averaging under 2 catches a game is enough to even merit a mention....

Good point... but I guess if 3 yards a carry is the new measuring stick for Raider starting RBs... nevermind.

Really amazed at the amount of emphasis Kiffin and Al are putting towards the WR position. Are these guys even planning on running the ball this year? I'm almost beginning to wonder whether we're gonna be putting it up 60 times a game when I see our WR depth chart compared to our RB depth chart.
 
Good point... but I guess if 3 yards a carry is the new measuring stick for Raider starting RBs... nevermind.

Really amazed at the amount of emphasis Kiffin and Al are putting towards the WR position. Are these guys even planning on running the ball this year? I'm almost beginning to wonder whether we're gonna be putting it up 60 times a game when I see our WR depth chart compared to our RB depth chart.

I disagree. You might not like the talent level of the players at RB, but there are options:

LaMont Jordan - Contract alone dictates that he will get 1 last shot. He did rush for over 1000+ his first year in Oakland. I'm off the bandwagon, but he was highly thought of in NY for a reason.

Dominic Rhoads - Solid, versatile, experienced, veteran football player. Could supplant LJ at HB before mid-season. If not, he will still be a valuable player the next 2 years IMO.

Justin Fargas - Still has that "burst" that no other RB on this squad has. Despite his unimpressive stats, I thought he made excellent strides as a player in 2007. If he continues to improve, he could be a very solid #2 RB with the ability to spot start in this league.

Rashard Lee - Hard working player that can run a little, block a little and catch the rock a little. Reminds me of Randy Jordan from a low cost versatility standpoint.

Michael Bush - If healthy, many our touting him as the "steal of the draft". They could be right. Size, good speed, good feet, solid hands, etc. etc. etc. This guy has many, many attributes that you want in a RB. Has a nose for the endzone too. If the Raiders decide to activate him for 2007, he could be starting by mid-season and be ready to hit the ground running in 2008.

Besides, it makes sense for the Raiders to load up on WR given the fact that on any given play, we trotting out 2, 3, or 4 WR's. When you factor in all the questions marks:

Curry - Health
Porter - Attitude/Health
Gabriel - Has he already peaked?
BMW - Can he play?
Higgins - Rookie. Nuff said
Morant - Now is the time
Francis - Sheesh..
Buchanon - Perpetual project or legit option?
Taylor - Former high draft pick, mediocre career, but experienced.

I think in some respects, RB, particularly if Bush is good to go, is more settled than our WR position.
 
Travis Taylor is a very good signing. Any time you get a highly drafted player who is still young, and is semi productive for the minimum thats good. This guy isnt going to be a playmaker but he provides very nice depth. He had a nice year last season.
 
Its not like we've neglected the RB position, Socal...

We drafted a highly thought of youngster, we signed a highly regarded, versatile backup, and we have a new scheme that fits our current RB better.

I'd say we've addressed TE, RB, WR and QB very well this offseason.

I just hope Carlisle, Newberry and Henderson is enough on the OL.
 
The emphasis on the WR position is based upon the offense we're going to run. We're going to have 3WR on the field quite often. It's going to be a Raider-style philosophy. When we go to the passing game we're going to either pull the TE or FB (most often the FB) and dare you to stop us. But if we trot out a couple decoys (Whitted, Francis, Morant, Gabriel) defenses will only have to cover 1 or 2 guys. That will be a return to Shell-like passing stats.

Whitted = decent hands, not routes
Gabriel = good routes, not hands
Morant = good routes, good hands, hasn't learned a playbook yet
Francis = good routes, great speed, good hands, bad body
BMW = decent routes, good hands, motivation ?

Taylor = good routes, great hands, good motivation, good speed, not injury prone

Taylor trumps them all. Even if he's not a starter, in a 3WR set he'll be out there. When we talk about depth, most of our roster is good enough. You can trot 1 decoy out there every play, the problem is if the opposition knows it. Bringing Taylor in minimizes the situations where the opposition knows who the decoy is.
 
The emphasis on the WR position is based upon the offense we're going to run. We're going to have 3WR on the field quite often. It's going to be a Raider-style philosophy. When we go to the passing game we're going to either pull the TE or FB (most often the FB) and dare you to stop us. But if we trot out a couple decoys (Whitted, Francis, Morant, Gabriel) defenses will only have to cover 1 or 2 guys. That will be a return to Shell-like passing stats.

Whitted = decent hands, not routes
Gabriel = good routes, not hands
Morant = good routes, good hands, hasn't learned a playbook yet
Francis = good routes, great speed, good hands, bad body
BMW = decent routes, good hands, motivation ?

Taylor = good routes, great hands, good motivation, good speed, not injury prone

Taylor trumps them all. Even if he's not a starter, in a 3WR set he'll be out there. When we talk about depth, most of our roster is good enough. You can trot 1 decoy out there every play, the problem is if the opposition knows it. Bringing Taylor in minimizes the situations where the opposition knows who the decoy is.

Good post. I also like the subtle message from Kiffin by brining in Taylor. Almost everyone is assuming that "his boys" from USC are going to have a leg up (BMW, Buchanon, McFoy), but I don't think that at all. While Kiffin may inwardly like to see his "SC Boys" win some jobs, they will most certainly have to earn it. This shows me that when it's all said & done, Kiffin in company are truly trying to get the best players on the field as possible. Former position or college be damned !!!!!

I think this is a ZERO risk, solid free agent signing. I don't see how anyone can critique this move at all.
 
I agree, Taylor certainly has the experience and production over our second tier guys. I'd even put him ahead of Gabriel. 50-60 receptions from your #3 guy isn't anything to sneeze at IMO and weren't a lot of his catches for first downs?

For what it cost to sign this guy, I don't see what all the fuss is. One more rung for Alvis to climb :)
 
Its not like we've neglected the RB position, Socal...

We drafted a highly thought of youngster, we signed a highly regarded, versatile backup, and we have a new scheme that fits our current RB better.

I still think we have the worst backfield in football. Drafting Bush was great, but he's still a question mark. I don't see a single running back on our roster that's capable of starting on any NFL team in the league. I think you're sipping on some outdated Raiderade if you think a guy like L.Jordan with no vision or quickness is going to excel in this new blocking scheme.

I think it's pretty obvious the Raiders are focusing on WRs again. I'm all for spreading it out and 3 WR sets... but I don't see Kiffin executing this offense with any success without better addressing the backfield.
 
Good post Rupert. I agree with you. I think the Taylor signing is a good one -- at least on paper.

We'll the whole off season looks good on paper. :p
 
I still think we have the worst backfield in football. Drafting Bush was great, but he's still a question mark. I don't see a single running back on our roster that's capable of starting on any NFL team in the league. I think you're sipping on some outdated Raiderade if you think a guy like L.Jordan with no vision or quickness is going to excel in this new blocking scheme.

I think it's pretty obvious the Raiders are focusing on WRs again. I'm all for spreading it out and 3 WR sets... but I don't see Kiffin executing this offense with any success without better addressing the backfield.

Still can't let extinguish the Adrian Petersen flame, eh?
 
I still think we have the worst backfield in football. Drafting Bush was great, but he's still a question mark. I don't see a single running back on our roster that's capable of starting on any NFL team in the league. I think you're sipping on some outdated Raiderade if you think a guy like L.Jordan with no vision or quickness is going to excel in this new blocking scheme.

I think it's pretty obvious the Raiders are focusing on WRs again. I'm all for spreading it out and 3 WR sets... but I don't see Kiffin executing this offense with any success without better addressing the backfield.

I was on your side for awhile, but time to let it go at this point. you're being greedy, you got the best qb and possibly the second best RB in the draft along with veterans in place to be atleast average enough to keep us atleast mediocre while we try to get them both involved.. You're painting a grimmer outlook that whats ahead of us.
 
I think the combo of Rhodes, Bush, LJ and Fargas is middle of the pack, not "The absolute worst in football"

I think we can win some games with our current guys, pick up another young depth guy next year and lord knows I hope we arent in a position for Darren McFadden next year...
 
I still think we have the worst backfield in football. Drafting Bush was great, but he's still a question mark. I don't see a single running back on our roster that's capable of starting on any NFL team in the league. I think you're sipping on some outdated Raiderade if you think a guy like L.Jordan with no vision or quickness is going to excel in this new blocking scheme.


In other words, this is you whining: 'We shoulda drafted Peterson, dammit' :D

I think it's pretty obvious the Raiders are focusing on WRs again. I'm all for spreading it out and 3 WR sets... but I don't see Kiffin executing this offense with any success without better addressing the backfield.

I disagree.

We bring in 2 RB's and 3 WR's and we are 'focusing on WR's again' ?

I think if anything a WCO offense needs plenty of options...

Which is why we brought in 3 new Tight ends;

We brought in 2 new running backs;

We brought in 2 new QB's;

And we brought in 3 new WR targets.
 
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