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http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/football/nfl/oakland_raiders/15478937.htm

A couple other things Moss/Shell said......

>>>This is not my team, I'm only playing here," Moss said, "so whoever they put out opposite of me, either I'll play with them or I won't play with them.<<<

I don't think Moss likes the idea of Whitted starting either......


"There are a lot of people that are unhappy," Shell said. "I can't be concerned with that. I have a whole football team to be concerned about. We're trying to move forward with our team and win football games. I don't think I have to talk to (Porter). About what?"
 
The Volcano seems to be steaming...
 
Something fishy

September 8th, 2006
By Jerry McDonald

Count Randy Moss as among those who find themselves perplexed about the way the Oakland Raiders go about their business.

At least that’s how it sounded Friday afternoon in a Fox Sports Radio interview, when a rambling and occasionally contradictory Moss sounded less than enthusiastic about his organization heading into the season opener on Sept. 11.

Moss, who seldom if ever talks to the local media, talked with host Chris Myers on “The Drive,’’ which agreed to advertise his clothing line.

While Moss said he was eager to get things started, his tone regarding the direction of the Raiders raised a few red flags.

For example:

— “There’s a lot of funny things going on here in this organization, and I try and keep my distance.’’

“Things are so fishy and question mark around here, and the only thing I can do is go out here and practice.’’

(Editor’s note: That’s exactly how he said it. Things are so fishy and question mark around here).

— “I`m just not thrilled with the way things are going around here. I’m thrilled, I’m glad, to have Aaron Brooks as my quarterback. It’s fishy around here, so actually, we’re walking on egg shells around here, man.’’

— “It’s crazy around here, man. It’s something that we’re trying to hold on to, man, and hopefully coach Art can move us in the right direction. I’m trying to stay away from all that stuff like I did last year, and hopefully we can win some games.’’

Sound confusing?

With Moss, that’s not unusual.

There weren’t a lot of specifics as to why Moss thought things were “fishy.’’ He said he was surprised and disappointed by the trade of Doug Gabriel to the New England Patriots. He didn’t want to delve too deeply into Jerry Porter’s exile to the bottom of the depth chart, “because I know what can happen if I put a little bit of my input into it.’’

The admittedly tricky part about listening to Moss is trying to determine exactly what he meant. It’s not easy.

For instance, after the Raiders pre-season game against Minnesota, Moss was portrayed as having `ripped’’ Shell for being taken out in the middle of a drive. The feeling here was he simply wanted to play, much like any other athlete trying to get in a rhythm.

What to make of Friday’s interview? Maybe nothing. No more than a case of Moss being Moss.

Or maybe something, because if there’s any time a player ought to muster up some enthusiasm about the direction of a team, it would be in Week 1 heading into a game on Monday night. The Raiders haven’t lost, don’t have a turnover and have no penalty flags.

One thing was certain. There wasn’t a hint of excitement or electricity, although chances are that the sound of 62,500 crazies will change that come 7:15 p.m. on Monday night.

But it was enough to make you wonder how Moss will feel at 10:15 p.m. if things go badly.

Shell said he didn’t hear the Moss interview and didn’t sound overly concerned, saying the Raiders have a history of letting players say what they want to say.

(Unless, of course, that player happens to request a trade).

“One thing about this organization, everybody has a chance and opportunity to speak their mind,’’ Shell said. “Every individual, every player, so what he’s talking about, I have no idea.’’

With Moss, these brushfires are often extinguished quickly.

Until he gives his next interview.
 
Moss finally speaks his mind

By Jason Jones



ALAMEDA -- Randy Moss smells fish.

The star wide receiver, who hasn't spoken to the local media since the Raiders' Aug. 14 preseason game at Minnesota, was on Fox Sports Radio on Friday and said there was something "fishy" about the Raiders.

Like many Raiders, he didn't like the trade that sent Doug Gabriel to New England.

Moss didn't have a problem with Alvis Whitted starting at receiver and offered a take on Jerry Porter, a subject most Raiders won't address on the record.

Porter and coach Art Shell clashed over the receiver's desire not to work out with the team during the offseason.

Porter then missed practices at the start of training camp and two preseason games. Since, Porter has gone from starter to fourth wide receiver.

"There's a lot of funny things going on around here in this organization, and I try and keep my distance," Moss said. "Whatever's going on between Jerry Porter and the Raiders organization is between them, and I do not want to get into it, because I know what can happen if I put a little bit of my input into it.

"But anyways, I'll just let them deal with it and deal with the 11 guys that go out and play on that field on Monday night."

When asked about starting quarterback Aaron Brooks, Moss didn't exactly endorse him.

"Like I told you, man, things are so fishy ... and (there are) question marks around here. The only thing I can do is go out here and practice," he said. "I don't think we're where we want to be right now, so hopefully we can go out there, put our offense on the field, man, and hopefully win the game."

Moss then said there's nothing fishy about Brooks.

"I'm just not thrilled with the way things are going on around here," Moss said. "I'm thrilled, I'm glad to have Aaron Brooks as my quarterback. It's fishy around here, man, so actually, we're walking on egg shells around here, man."

Shell didn't hear Moss' comments but had no problem him having an opinion.

"It's not necessarily that you agree with everything they say, but if you've got something to say and feel you need to say it, you can go ahead and say it," Shell said. "As long as it's not really something that's derogatory to the organization or to football itself, period. You can't go crazy with it, but you're allowed to speak your mind. You're allowed to be a man."

Moss was a man on the radio.

"It's crazy around here, man," Moss said. "It's something that we're trying to hold on to," he said. "Hopefully, coach Art can move us in the right direction. So I'm just trying to stay away from all of that stuff this year, like I did last year, and hopefully we can win some games."
 
I think Randy's use of the word "fishy" means more that he is in the dark on some things. For one, we traded Gabriel and we move Porter down the depth chart.

The other thing is that Randy makes references to not going through what they did last year. That to me means turmoil between coach and player. In my opinion, Moss wants Porter lined up opposite him rather than Whitted and is hoping that Art "rights the ship"...come to some kind of understanding with Porter. The "walking on egg shells" may be that it is uncomfortable to talk about Porter.

The other thing it could be is that Randy was the one that talked to Art about Jeff George. Maybe he expected us to keep George and trade Tui.

It doesn't sound like a big issue overall.

As always, just my opinion.
 
The roster is set so shut the fu%k up and play.
 
Rob said:
The roster is set so shut the fu%k up and play.

3 days before the season opener no less. Geez, Raider Nation, the players, the media, no one is willing to muster up any real ardent enthusiasm. Sad.
 
Yeah it's sad. And while Randy has been the ultimate good citizen he's not happy obviously.

A win on MNF will fix al lthis. A loss? Who the hell knows what will happen.

I agree with Rob -- STFU and play ball.
 
And park in your assigned spot, not the boss's.
 
Rupert said:
And park in your assigned spot, not the boss's.

actually, I have heard several players has used al parking spot considering he doesn't use it anymore


tim brown has parked in it before with al permission
 
Raiders mess a work in progress

Monte Poole

THE ICY DIVIDE continues between Art Shell, the new head coach, and Jerry Porter, who last season led the Raiders in receiving.

The most obvious solution to the Porter situation, Doug Gabriel, a 2003 fifth-round draft pick groomed to the brink of starting, was traded last week. For a future fifth-round pick.

Which is why Alvis Whitted, a fleet and earnest journeyman with a fraction of Porter's ability, was named Week 1 starter opposite Randy Moss, the fleet and luminescent game-breaker.

Maybe this is a message from the owner and the reorganized coaching staff, a joystick attempt to establish authority and install discipline.

Or maybe it's a pulling of the strings that can lead to an unraveling.

We have Moss going on radio the other day, being his candid self, expressing displeasure about the Gabriel deal and remarking about the "fishy" vibe around the team.

The Jeff George signing was a joke, the kind of silly idea hatched when the wacky weed meets the wee hours.

It's not unusual for things to become bizarre, even ugly, when the losses pile up around the Raiders. But the 2006 team has yet to play a down.

The Porter matter remains, for now, the horse in the corner. Shell has been reluctant to address it, perhaps expecting it to resolve itself while gambling it won't hurt the chemistry or potential of the team.

When I asked the coach if he plans to meet with the unhappy player and, you know, communicate, Art's response was distinct.

"Why? A lot of people are probably unhappy," he said Friday afternoon. "But I can't be concerned. I have a whole football team to be concerned about. We're trying to move forward with that team and win football games.

"I don't think I have to talk to him. About what?"

Well, how about taking action to extinguish a potential threat to the team-building process?

How about trying to remedy a situation becoming increasingly reminiscent of the Marcus Allen saga? While Porter lacks Allen's credentials and exalted stature among teammates, the result — a weaker team — is precisely the same.

Consider, for example, the evening of Nov.28, 2004, a 25-24 win at Denver, the last time Oakland won within the AFC West. Porter was the catalyst, catching six passes for 135 yards and three touchdowns. He destroyed Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey, allegedly the best there is.

And now, because grown men have no need for diplomacy, Porter becomes the team's No.4 receiver?

The Raiders were better off when JP was the No.5 receiver, because Gabriel was on the roster. Both are big, physical types. Gabriel spent most of the preseason opposite Moss, and the two appeared to complement each other, both excellent going deep, both willing to cross the field.

With Gabriel coming into his own and Porter receiving conditional permission to seek the trade he wants, the Raiders dealt ... Gabriel. To perennial AFC contender New England.

Which left Porter and many of his teammates, including quarterback Aaron Brooks and Moss, shaking their heads.

Fishy, as Moss might surmise.

Surely the decision to move Gabriel came from above Shell. As long as Al Davis remains the boss, Art is only partially responsible for managing the players on the roster.

It's conceivable Al and Art used the preseason to reinforce their authority and will now allow Porter to rejoin the team. They certainly know his value.

"Jerry Porter, being able to work the middle the field and get those tough yards, has to be an important cog," former Raider Tim Brown said. "Somebody is going to have to do the dirty work, and that falls on JP — especially now that Doug Gabriel is gone."

Maybe the plan for Monday night is to start Whitted, then summon Porter. Alvis, after all, is not built for the underneath routes necessary to sustain drives and keep safeties honest.

That, however, might make too much sense.

What some see as dysfunction, others see as a unique and complex dynamic. It could be that these Raiders, light on recent success, are trying to recapture the rebellious, triumphant essence of Raiders past.

That seems to be Shell's dream. Asked about Moss' comments, Big Art passed it off as the Raiders being the Raiders.

"One thing about this organization: Everybody has a chance, an opportunity, to speak their mind. Every individual. Every player," he said. "What he's talking about, I don't have any idea."

Moss was talking about an organization with questionable motives, a team with reason for skepticism. What only a few months ago seemed to be the framework of renewal now has the makings of a mess.
 
I actually heard the interview live and it did not sound good. Even his comment about Brooks came across more as a personal shot than a compliment. Damn drama queen.
 
gst8 said:
I actually heard the interview live and it did not sound good. Even his comment about Brooks came across more as a personal shot than a compliment. Damn drama queen.
I know some are trying to spin this as "no big thing"...I think you have to be somewhat concerned. If by and chance we get blown out tonight I think things will definitely go from bad to worse. Winning on the other hand may defuse this whole situation.
 
Moss cont...

Looks like Randy and Art are on a collision course. He just followed up his Fox interview by expressing his dissatisfaction with Art’s discipline approach during an interview with ESPN.

I wonder what happened to make him change his tune?
 
Wow! To me it sounded like Randy was saying others were upset with the discipline and he was alright with it. Now it could just be Moss spinning what he said about things being fishy, but he said players were coming up to him and asking him to talk to the coach about some things. He said he was alright with it so he didn't. But he also said experienced players should be treated like men not like children, so...
 
I like Randy, but it's not like he is doing a great job either.
 
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